Limerick improvement projects

Cookiemunster · 23-09-2019 2:48pm

Strettie11 wrote: »

From the actual report rental rates per Sq metre are the same in Cork and limerick for new build GOLD Standard.

Sadly the state of the 2 markets I hope are not reflected in the quality of the reports the Limerick report is a 1 pager, the Cork report report is a 6 page document more like a promo for Cork

Also of interest is new construction numbers
Limerick
completed in first half 5,100 sq metres all in Shannon !!!
Under construction 9,850 sq m in Castletroy, zero in city

Cork
completed in first half 10,650 sq m
under construction 51,050 sq m ( not a typo) 90% of construction in city centre. 7,000 sq M of this will be complete by end 2019, rest end of 2020

The massive redevelopment in Cork is down by the docks on Albert Quay and across the river by the train station. Close to rather than the in city center. A bit like whats happening in Dublin but on a smaller scale.

Unless SFPC decide to move everything to Foynes, I don't think there's space for such large scale redevelopment close to the Limerick city center.

knipex · 23-09-2019 3:45pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The massive redevelopment in Cork is down by the docks on Albert Quay and across the river by the train station. Close to rather than the in city center. A bit like whats happening in Dublin but on a smaller scale.

Unless SFPC decide to move everything to Foynes, I don't think there's space for such large scale redevelopment close to the Limerick city center.

Opera center will be mainly office space.

Cookiemunster · 23-09-2019 3:50pm

knipex wrote: »

Opera center will be mainly office space.

True, but I was referring to private sector investment like in Cork. Could've been a bit clearer I suppose.

knipex · 23-09-2019 4:05pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

True, but I was referring to private sector investment like in Cork. Could've been a bit clearer I suppose.

They are not interested in the city.

Easier, cheaper and quicker to build out on a serviced site in Plassey or Shannon..
Once you reach critical mass in the city and it can be proven to work \ demand then the developers will follow.

mdmix · 24-09-2019 1:41pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The massive redevelopment in Cork is down by the docks on Albert Quay and across the river by the train station. Close to rather than the in city center. A bit like whats happening in Dublin but on a smaller scale.

Unless SFPC decide to move everything to Foynes, I don't think there's space for such large scale redevelopment close to the Limerick city center.

i get what you are saying but i dont think the difference is the availability of space. There are plenty of empty sites of all sizes in Limerick lying idle, albeit not as big as some of those in cork. There are multiple projects in pre planning, planning or construction in cork - too many to keep track of.

true that the nearly all new builds are outside the center but its less than 15 minutes walk to patrick street, so i would still consider this the center. the area beyond ted russel docks is about the same distance from brown thomas on oconnel street.

source · 25-09-2019 11:52am

Passed by the front of the old Dunnes earlier. Lights on upstairs and workers walking around in hard hats and high vis vests. Looks like some small bit of movement.

Mc Love · 25-09-2019 12:16pm

source wrote: »

Passed by the front of the old Dunnes earlier. Lights on upstairs and workers walking around in hard hats and high vis vests. Looks like some small bit of movement.

There's a lot of movement, they've emptied several huge skips already.

source · 25-09-2019 12:34pm

Mc Love wrote: »

There's a lot of movement, they've emptied several huge skips already.

Very good, my first time down that way during the day in a while. Great to see movement.

Insect Overlord · 25-09-2019 1:18pm

On a similar note, have LIT moved into the site at Coonagh yet? I know some fantastic work was done behind Tesco there over the last few months.

damowill · 25-09-2019 1:40pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

On a similar note, have LIT moved into the site at Coonagh yet? I know some fantastic work was done behind Tesco there over the last few months.

baracades were still up on Sunday evening but doesnt look far off ready from the exterior anyway, although i'd imagine a lot of work is needed inside to kit it out

source · 27-09-2019 5:36pm

Hoarding up around the old food fair unit on O'Connell St.

Poxyshamrock · 27-09-2019 6:21pm

source wrote: »

Hoarding up around the old food fair unit on O'Connell St.

Being converted to offices I think.

source · 27-09-2019 6:22pm

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Being converted to offices I think.

Better occupied with offices than empty as retail.

Cookiemunster · 30-09-2019 4:18pm

https://twitter.com/LimerickCouncil/status/1178688886287077377

damowill · 30-09-2019 5:24pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LimerickCouncil/status/1178688886287077377

Unfortunately this amendment was defeated.

"An amendment - submitted by Cllr Sean Hartigan - to permanently pedestrianise O'Connell Street, between its William Street and Cecil Street junctions, has been defeated by 11 votes to five with two abstentions"

Giggsy19 · 30-09-2019 6:47pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

https://twitter.com/LimerickCouncil/status/1178688886287077377

15km speed limit is crazy even down the quays in dublin its 30km, who is proposing and approving this nonsense?

HailSatan · 30-09-2019 8:31pm

Giggsy19 wrote: »

15km speed limit is crazy even down the quays in dublin its 30km, who is proposing and approving this nonsense?

Somebody who got shown up by a mobility scooter I'd say.

martyc5674 · 30-09-2019 8:53pm

Giggsy19 wrote: »

15km speed limit is crazy even down the quays in dublin its 30km, who is proposing and approving this nonsense?

What’s crazy is having through traffic.

keane2097 · 30-09-2019 9:03pm

Hopefully they end up applying that 15kph limit from Bishop's Quay up to Honan's Quay as well. That would be something at least.

Cookiemunster · 30-09-2019 9:22pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Hopefully they end up applying that 15kph limit from Bishop's Quay up to Honan's Quay as well. That would be something at least.

The thing is though, unless I'm mistaken, that the lowest legislated for speed limit is 30kph. It would take a Dail amendment to the Road Traffic Act to apply a 15kph limit. So while the councilors voted for it, I doubt we'll see it being enforced.

geotrig · 30-09-2019 10:03pm

martyc5674 wrote: »

What’s crazy is having through traffic.

Damn those non forward thinking Georgians.

keane2097 · 01-10-2019 1:08pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The thing is though, unless I'm mistaken, that the lowest legislated for speed limit is 30kph. It would take a Dail amendment to the Road Traffic Act to apply a 15kph limit. So while the councilors voted for it, I doubt we'll see it being enforced.

I suppose even if it was legal it would probably be enforced as badly as the rest of the traffic/parking/etc rules around the place anyway.

mdmix · 03-10-2019 2:44pm

Planning for Apartments rejected

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/483276/breaking-30m-326-bed-student-complex-in-limerick-city-rejected-by-an-bord-pleanala.html

CosmicFool · 03-10-2019 3:03pm

mdmix wrote: »

Planning for Apartments rejected

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/483276/breaking-30m-326-bed-student-complex-in-limerick-city-rejected-by-an-bord-pleanala.html

No.1 reason the locals rejected it because of environmental factors my arse. They just didn't want students near there homes. Nimbism alive and well.

source · 03-10-2019 5:13pm

CosmicFool wrote: »

No.1 reason the locals rejected it because of environmental factors my arse. They just didn't want students near there homes. Nimbism alive and well.

There are already hundreds of students living in the area, I live in the area and I objected based on the size of the development and the fact that it would add a significant amount of traffic to an already stressed intersection.

Oh and it was a horrible horrible design. The portion facing into the intersection was to be almost 7 storeys! Completely out of place in the area.

CosmicFool · 03-10-2019 5:22pm

source wrote: »

There are already hundreds of students living in the area, I live in the area and I objected based on the size of the development and the fact that it would add a significant amount of traffic to an already stressed intersection.

Oh and it was a horrible horrible design. The portion facing into the intersection was to be almost 7 storeys! Completely out of place in the area.

Well yes because there is a college up the road. 7 stories isn't exactly a tall building. People complain about housing shortages and then people reject proposals based on the size. What are we supposed to do? Keep buliding out onto farm land destroying even more of the environment? And your traffic concerns aren't major either. Most students wouldn't have a car and would rely mostly on public transport and either friends or family.

mdmix · 03-10-2019 5:57pm

source wrote: »

There are already hundreds of students living in the area, I live in the area and I objected based on the size of the development and the fact that it would add a significant amount of traffic to an already stressed intersection.

Oh and it was a horrible horrible design. The portion facing into the intersection was to be almost 7 storeys! Completely out of place in the area.

Sounds like typical nimbyness, it is predominantly student accommodation in a walkable location from the college. If students can’t live in a walkable distance they will most likely have to drive which creates more traffic so your argument is not logical.

source · 03-10-2019 5:59pm

CosmicFool wrote: »

Well yes because there is a college up the road. 7 stories isn't exactly a tall building. People complain about housing shortages and then people reject proposals based on the size. What are we supposed to do? Keep buliding out onto farm land destroying even more of the environment? And your traffic concerns aren't major either. Most students wouldn't have a car and would rely mostly on public transport and either friends or family.

On traffic, if you believe that students don't have cars then you should have a look some day at the sheer volume of cars parked around Courtbrack/Ashbourne Ave, and the increase in traffic when the students are around vs when they are not.

On building high, if you look back over my posts in this very thread, you'll see that I am completely in favour of doing so in the city centre, but not in a residential area.

I would also say that while I agree that 7 storeys is not very high in theory, when all the other buildings around it are at most 2 storeys then it is completely out of place and unsuitable.

As a someone who lives in the area, I want that site built on. It's an eyesore as it is, but building a bigger eyesore on it to satisfy student housing requirements isn't the answer. A better design, that doesn't take over the area, would have been successful.

source · 03-10-2019 6:04pm

mdmix wrote: »

Sounds like typical nimbyness, it is predominantly student accommodation in a walkable location from the college. If students can’t live in a walkable distance they will most likely have to drive which creates more traffic so your argument is not logical.

The last thing I am is a Nimby any my post history will attest to that, I'm not against student accommodation there, I'm not against a decent building there, but that building that was proposed was at a scale that was to large and was not suitable for the area.

keane2097 · 03-10-2019 6:10pm

source wrote: »

The last thing I am is a Nimby any my post history will attest to that, I'm not against student accommodation there, I'm not against a decent building there, but that building that was proposed was at a scale that was to large and was not suitable for the area.

What size of a building would be suitable out of interest?

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