Limerick improvement projects

AnonZen

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp6ci/p6cii/p6www/

The map won't shock anyone:

http://census.cso.ie/p6map41/

martyc5674

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

So the lack of a left lane over the bridge isn’t the problem at all?

How many lanes coming in the condell road?
How many lanes going out the dock road?
Tell me why we need 2 going over the bridge(I know the answer)

martyc5674

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Backed up idling traffic is worse for the environment than moving traffic. You need to put in alternatives to car usage through the city before you can start removing traffic lanes. It's not that difficult to understand. And as I've already posted the NTA also have this same attitude.

I agree- but people need to change their habits, most people seem happy to be sitting in their cars idling- some had sense this morning and turned around opting for the route they should have taken to start with.

The NTA have their own agenda, you need to consider that when reading that draft document.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

geotrig wrote: »

10k I quickly calculated my running cost in or around 3k being generous for a year doing nearly 30k km.

what would a yearly bus pass /train pass etc set a family back ,i wouldnt include the bikes as once they more a one off cost ?

Did you win the car on R Kings or something?

kilburn

martyc5674 wrote:

How many lanes coming in the condell road? How many lanes going out the dock road? Tell me why we need 2 going over the bridge(I know the answer)

2 lanes coming in Condell road and 2 going out dock road.

Is this a trick question or what....

Cookiemunster

martyc5674 wrote: »

I agree- but people need to change their habits, most people seem happy to be sitting in their cars idling- some had sense this morning and turned around opting for the route they should have taken to start with.

The NTA have their own agenda, you need to consider that when reading that draft document.

The NTA, who are over all transport in Ireland, road, bus, rail, cycling have an agenda?

Is that why they're pushing bus connects across all the cities, have recently provided €10m for sustainable transport projects across Limerick, recently announced a huge DART expansion in Dublin and are pushing the Metro in Dublin through planning?

Sounds like an awful pro sustainable/public transport agenda to me.

martyc5674

kilburn wrote: »

2 lanes coming in Condell road and 2 going out dock road.

Is this a trick question or what....

No- but you forgot the bus lane on the Condell road.

kilburn

martyc5674 wrote:

No- but you forgot the bus lane on the Condell road.

It's still an incoming lane for buses and taxis

martyc5674

kilburn wrote: »

It's still an incoming lane for buses and taxis

Sorry I thought you just counted the cycle lane and regular lane. So there’s 3?
But it’s interesting you said 2

martyc5674

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The NTA, who are over all transport in Ireland, road, bus, rail, cycling have an agenda?

Is that why they're pushing bus connects across all the cities, have recently provided €10m for sustainable transport projects across Limerick, recently announced a huge DART expansion in Dublin and are pushing the Metro in Dublin through planning?

Sounds like an awful pro sustainable/public transport agenda to me.

Sounds like it alright.
Ask yourself this.
Why is our public transport system a shambles if they are doing such a great job.
Why is private car dependency so high in this country if they are doing such a good job.
Why is our cycling infrastructure appalling if they are going such a good job.

geotrig

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

Did you win the car on R Kings or something?

No smart arse, car is owned with no loans due as a lot of cars would be obvs loads still have finance etc but there is a lot of company cars on the roads that people wouldn't have costs associated either

geotrig

martyc5674 wrote: »

Sounds like it alright.
Ask yourself this.
Why is our public transport system a shambles if they are doing such a great job.
Why is private car dependency so high in this country if they are doing such a good job.
Why is our cycling infrastructure appalling if they are going such a good job.

Am because every NIMBY has objected to this and other roads and if you look at Limerick you see how hard it is to get roads built never mind cycle lanes

Cookiemunster

martyc5674 wrote: »

Sounds like it alright.
Ask yourself this.
Why is our public transport system a shambles if they are doing such a great job.
Why is private car dependency so high in this country if they are doing such a good job.
Why is our cycling infrastructure appalling if they are going such a good job.

Because the NTA has only existed for 10 years and they rely on central government funding to progress projects. The transport deficit is due to decades of neglect and will take decades to catchup and fix.

mgbgt1978

martyc5674 wrote: »

How many lanes coming in the condell road?
How many lanes going out the dock road?
Tell me why we need 2 going over the bridge(I know the answer)

Again, you conveniently forget that there are three exits off the Dock road roundabout for traffic coming in over the bridge.

mdmix

phog wrote: »

When I have public transport that will allow me get into town at times that suit me then I might give up my car. Currently the timetable for trips into town are one at 9:30ish and the other at 13:00ish. If I get the 9.30 one to town I have to be able to get the return one out at 12:45 or a taxi. If I get the 13:00 bus into town then I have to overnight or get a taxi. Obviously, that kind of public transprt is useless for anyone trying to commute to school/work/shop or socialise.

I'm not holding my breath to see what the GP will do for me wrt to public transport.

great to hear you will consider public transport once available. Will need to make tough decisions to make this possible, including bus priority measures.

mdmix

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The tunnel is very successful, removing 25k journeys a day pre covid out of the city. However, not everyone wants or needs to bypass the city to the South (A road BTW that at 55k journeys a day is creaking). Most who still travel through the city won't ever be using the tunnel. They need a different way of avoiding the city, which the NTA have decided is the LNDR.

Until that is built, then the gridlock will only get worse in the city.

where are you getting 55k journeys? TII are stating 42k on their website, just ahead of the n18 at 38k.

the 304a takes 2 hours to get from UL to UHL, which is nothing short of tragic. UL have around 3k students on work placement at any given time, around 700 are doing placements or volunteer work in UHL at any given time. seeing as these students have no other means of transport, we are probably seeing 1k new cars per year in limerick just from UL students on placement.

Seeing as, under the best of circumstances, the NDR would be around 10 years away. It would be much more prudent to prioritise alternative means of transport

mdmix

bazz26 wrote: »

You seem to be under the illusion that everyone driving in or around Limerick city is living in the city, they are not.

No, but there is 90k urban dwellers driving around town, so significant enough

Plenty of people commute from further away where a push bike of no use to them but you don't want the NDR built either.

No, but a park and ride would. Also, I work with a lad who cycles 13k from Cratloe to Castletroy on and ebike, so don't count everyone out.

Also do you seriously think a family is going to have 10k in their pocket by giving up their car(s)?

well, the AA seem to think so - https://www.theaa.ie/aa/motoring-advice/cost-of-motoring.aspx

You make it sound like these families are spending 10k extra a year for fun rather than through necessity. Public transport is abysmal and unreliable as it is but who is going to pay towards improving it?

I suggest we redirect funds from the NDR (who's paying for this by the way?)

Also while cars and fuel are imported

the little things

the tax revenue from both are generated and spent here but you have forgotten to read that part of my post. How do you suggest the motoring revenue shortfall should be clawed back to help pay for all the other public services in the country? Maybe raise income tax, property tax, water rates or maybe some additional levies and stealth taxes?

unless people decide to funnel their 10k savings to an offshore account to avoid taxes, I think we will be fine

martyc5674

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Again, you conveniently forget that there are three exits off the Dock road roundabout for traffic coming in over the bridge.

So the other 3 exits are just for the bridge?!
In that case we need 3 lanes inbound over the bridge.
Wait- if I’m coming In the dock road there’s also 3 exit lanes I can choose from, maybe the dock road should have 3 lanes inbound aswell. Then what about lower mallow street... see where this is going??

martyc5674

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Because the NTA has only existed for 10 years and they rely on central government funding to progress projects. The transport deficit is due to decades of neglect and will take decades to catchup and fix.

They have done SFA in ten years, and the lack of ambition in today’s draft is disappointing. They predict an increase in car usage and are going to accommodate it rather than dissuade it.

Cookiemunster

martyc5674 wrote: »

They have done SFA in ten years, and the lack of ambition in today’s draft is disappointing. They predict an increase in car usage and are going to accommodate it rather than dissuade it.

WTF do you expect them to do when they were created as the biggest recession in a century hit and the country was broke? They are a planning agency. Without government financing they can't do anything. It's only in the last few years that the government have started to loosen the purse strings with respect to infrastructural spending. But you know when you've got an agenda against it, there's no point in arguing about it with you.

martyc5674

Cookiemunster wrote: »

WTF do you expect them to do when they were created as the biggest recession in a century hit and the country was broke? They are a planning agency. Without government financing they can't do anything. It's only in the last few years that the government have started to loosen the purse strings with respect to infrastructural spending. But you know when you've got an agenda against it, there's no point in arguing about it with you.

I’ve no agenda against them- what they bring to the table is piss poor at best, if they brought something ambitious today I’d be full of praise for them.
You however are praising them, which suggests you are either easily fooled, have low standards for the future of our city or have your own agenda.

Cookiemunster

martyc5674 wrote: »

I’ve no agenda against them- what they bring to the table is piss poor at best, if they brought something ambitious today I’d be full of praise for them.
You however are praising them, which suggests you are either easily fooled, have low standards for the future of our city or have your own agenda.

You brought the word agenda into the conversation, not me. For you to claim the organisation has an agenda suggests you have a major issue with them.

I also only pointed out a few facts about the organisation which go against the idea that they actually have an anti PT agenda, which you suggest. That does not equate to praise.

You then went on to blame decades of under investment in transport on a 10 year old organisation that was formed during a recession. This is complete and utter rubbish and again points to you having an issue with the organisation (and being ignorant to economic realities in the country since their formation).

Your dislike of the seems to go a lot further than LSMATS so I again say that you have an agenda when dismissing them.

martyc5674

Cookiemunster wrote: »

You brought the word agenda into the conversation, not me. For you to claim the organisation has an agenda suggests you have a major issue with them.

I also only pointed out a few facts about the organisation which go against the idea that they actually have an anti PT agenda, which you suggest. That does not equate to praise.

You then went on to blame decades of under investment in transport on a 10 year old organisation that was formed during a recession. This is complete and utter rubbish and again points to you having an issue with the organisation (and being ignorant to economic realities in the country since their formation).

Your dislike of the seems to go a lot further than LSMATS so I again say that you have an agenda when dismissing them.

Every org has an agenda. Unfortunately for us the NTAs agenda is to build roads regardless of their impact on environment/health. Tell me where I said decades of under investment in transport.
IMO there has been plenty of investment- albeit imbalanced. Which we will eventually pay dearly for, then pay to put right. But unfortunately lessons have to be learned the hard way in this isle.

breezy1985

phog wrote: »

When I have public transport that will allow me get into town at times that suit me then I might give up my car. Currently the timetable for trips into town are one at 9:30ish and the other at 13:00ish. If I get the 9.30 one to town I have to be able to get the return one out at 12:45 or a taxi. If I get the 13:00 bus into town then I have to overnight or get a taxi. Obviously, that kind of public transprt is useless for anyone trying to commute to school/work/shop or socialise.

I'm not holding my breath to see what the GP will do for me wrt to public transport.

Well it sounds like you don't live in Limerick so ya I wouldn't hold my breath. Commuter towns dont seem to get much mention where Limerick is concerned

phog

mdmix wrote: »

great to hear you will consider public transport once available. Will need to make tough decisions to make this possible, including bus priority measures.

For people in my area to swap from car to bus then you'd need at least 3 different start times in the morning and 3 or 4 for coming home, I really don't see the Green party delivering on that.


There's a bus out of St Mary's Park once an hour, that's useless, buses are required before bus priority.

phog

breezy1985 wrote: »

Well it sounds like you don't live in Limerick so ya I wouldn't hold my breath. Commuter towns dont seem to get much mention where Limerick is concerned

I live about 6km from the city centre, 2 Km from one of the most populated areas in the city and we get a **** bus service but get all the moaning from anti car brigade.

Are you saying that only city residents should have a public transport service - see my previous post about one bus per hour our of St Mary's Park - another **** service.

breezy1985

Parabellum9 wrote: »

How about a network of vietcong like tunnels under the city? The cyclists and whatever else can **** off down there and leave the road network for vehicular traffic like it's intended to be.

You might want to have a look at a few old pics of Limerick if you are so sure O'Connell street was intended for cars

phog

breezy1985 wrote: »

You might want to have a look at a few old pics of Limerick if you are so sure O'Connell street was intended for cars

O'Connell St was build most definitely built as a thoroughfare and until the LNDR is built it will probably remain as one

breezy1985

phog wrote: »

O'Connell St was build most definitely built as a thoroughfare and until the LNDR is built it will probably remain as one

Built as a thoroughfare for cars?

breezy1985

phog wrote: »

I live about 6km from the city centre, 2 Km from one of the most populated areas in the city and we get a **** bus service but get all the moaning from anti car brigade.

Are you saying that only city residents should have a public transport service - see my previous post about one bus per hour our of St Mary's Park - another **** service.

No im not saying only city residents should have a public transport service quite the opposite. What I am saying is the fact that Limerick has a large number of people commuting from town in Clare, Limerick and Tipp is wrongly ignored.