Limerick improvement projects

pigtown

The council/Limerick 2030 have applied to build c.250 homes in Mungret. A mixture of houses and an apartment block for elderly accommodation.

It's not a bad proposal for the location, it's just a pity that the council are focusing all of their efforts in suburban semi ds instead of denser city centre living

phog

pigtown wrote: »

The council/Limerick 2030 have applied to build c.250 homes in Mungret. A mixture of houses and an apartment block for elderly accommodation.

It's not a bad proposal for the location, it's just a pity that the council are focusing all of their efforts in suburban semi ds instead of denser city centre living

Haven't they given a large tract of land over to the LDA who are supposed to deliver housing near the station.

pigtown

They have, but the Mungret strategy was a thing before the LDA existed

Cookiemunster

A new 1000 student secondary school just go planning permission in Mungret too.

phog

pigtown wrote: »

They have, but the Mungret strategy was a thing before the LDA existed

That may well be true but they're not focusing all their efforts in suburban semi detached housing which is what you claimed earlier.

pigtown

phog wrote: »

That may well be true but they're not focusing all their efforts in suburban semi detached housing which is what you claimed earlier.

I'm not really looking for an argument but barring owning some of the land the council are not in charge of what's happening with the Colbert site. Currently, their efforts are focused on Mungret. It's possible that may change when the plan is finalized

phog

pigtown wrote: »

I'm not really looking for an argument but barring owning some of the land the council are not in charge of what's happening with the Colbert site. Currently, their efforts are focused on Mungret. It's possible that may change when the plan is finalized

You're looking at a moment in time but both areas will have residential developments so again they're not focusing their effort just on Mungret.

Gary Owen

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40220768.html
That’s some value for money .

CosmicFool

Gary Owen wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40220768.html
That’s some value for money .

They're not even that great either

dominatinMC

Gary Owen wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40220768.html
That’s some value for money .

What a ****ing joke! And worse than the quantity of money is the fact that no-one will be held accountable for it :rolleyes:

phog

Gary Owen wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40220768.html
That’s some value for money .

Who picked the locations? The Catherine St one is an odd one as most of the "eateries" along Catherine St are further down so you'd imagine the parklet should have been closer to them, imho, somewhere between Thomas St and Roches St as it has reduced traffic and only in one direction.

Also, the amount of money spent :eek: :eek: :eek:

breezy1985

phog wrote: »

Who picked the locations? The Catherine St one is an odd one as most of the "eateries" along Catherine St are further down so you'd imagine the parklet should have been closer to them, imho, somewhere between Thomas St and Roches St as it has reduced traffic and only in one direction.

Also, the amount of money spent :eek: :eek: :eek:

Further down Catherine St. already has wider paths so it looks like Canteen was chosen.

My only major issue outside of the money is the horrible cheap looking barrier outside the O'Connell St. one

phog

breezy1985 wrote: »

My only major issue outside of the money is the horrible cheap looking barrier outside the O'Connell St. one

That's a sound barrier and afaik similar were used in Cardiff but I assume they could have used something to disguise it a bit better especially considering the money they spent on it.

One thing to note in comparing costs across two different local authorities would be, what did both include and more importantly what did they exclude from the "total" costs. Like, did one add in time & labour costs that was used by LA staff while the other might have just included contractor costs.

Cossax

phog wrote: »

Who picked the locations? The Catherine St one is an odd one as most of the "eateries" along Catherine St are further down so you'd imagine the parklet should have been closer to them, imho, somewhere between Thomas St and Roches St as it has reduced traffic and only in one direction.

Also, the amount of money spent :eek: :eek: :eek:

I think the businesses had to apply for it, Jerry Flannery was asking about it on Twitter at one stage and I think Daniel Butler was replying about it.

phog

Cossax wrote: »

I think the businesses had to apply for it, Jerry Flannery was asking about it on Twitter at one stage and I think Daniel Butler was replying about it.

I think Flannery was complaining that he got a click & collect outside his place but others got a parklet

Cookiemunster

The council has come out in defence of the cost of the parklets.

https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/news/clarification-limericks-parklets

While a standard parklet is around six metres long, the size of a standard parking space, our installation on O’Connell Street is more than five times this size.

Typical parklet installations used in other locations are smaller and more temporary in nature and usually based on minimal planters and seating.

Limerick’s parklets are by far larger in scale, they are much more durable due to the materials used in their construction and have a much more resilient structure than those they are being compared to.

The Catherine Street parklet is 9 metres long and has a width of 1.8 metres, while the O’Connell Street parklet is even larger – 32 metres long and 3 metres wide.

The associated costs also includes the engineering works to ensure that the drainage on the adjacent road and footpath are not affected.

jpharvey

Of course they did.
No mention of the 'engineers' they keep using to build their top quality works being tax defaulters either. And that's on record as one Councillor has been fairly vocal about it on her socials.

Cookiemunster

jpharvey wrote: »

Of course they did.
No mention of the 'engineers' they keep using to build their top quality works being tax defaulters either. And that's on record as one Councillor has been fairly vocal about it on her socials.

I'm not really sure what that's got to do with anything. The engineers tax status isn't relevant to anything being discussed here.

jpharvey

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm not really sure what that's got to do with anything. The engineers tax status isn't relevant to anything being discussed here.

Fair enough.

Cookiemunster

The NTA has announced 2021 grants for sustainable transports projects. There's quite a lot of money for new cycle lanes. These are the ones in the city.

Father Russell Road Cycle Scheme €110,000
Mary Immaculate College to City Centre Cycle Route €75,000
Corbally Rd to Bridge St Bus and Cycle Scheme €50,000
Dooradoyle to City Centre (via Hyde Road) Cycle Route €100,000
Ballysimmon Road to City Centre Cycle Route €50,000
Ennis Road Cycle Route €100,000
Upper Mallow Street Pedestrian and Cycle Route €50,000
Kings Island Perimeter - Pedestrian and Cycle Route (PartFunded) €25,000
Mill Road, Corbally Pedestrian and Cyclist Measures €150,000
Ballycummin Road Pedestrian and Cycle Scheme €25,000

The full list is in this PDF.

yop

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The NTA has announced 2021 grants for sustainable transports projects. There's quite a lot of money for new cycle lanes. These are the ones in the city.

Father Russell Road Cycle Scheme €110,000
Mary Immaculate College to City Centre Cycle Route €75,000
Corbally Rd to Bridge St Bus and Cycle Scheme €50,000
Dooradoyle to City Centre (via Hyde Road) Cycle Route €100,000
Ballysimmon Road to City Centre Cycle Route €50,000
Ennis Road Cycle Route €100,000
Upper Mallow Street Pedestrian and Cycle Route €50,000
Kings Island Perimeter - Pedestrian and Cycle Route (PartFunded) €25,000
Mill Road, Corbally Pedestrian and Cyclist Measures €150,000
Ballycummin Road Pedestrian and Cycle Scheme €25,000

The full list is in this PDF.

Dublin City and County get over 120m and Limerick City and County get 17m!
Great to get the money towards the schemes but 10 times more money!

Cookiemunster

yop wrote: »

Dublin City and County get over 120m and Limerick City and County get 17m!
Great to get the money towards the schemes but 10 times more money!

Dublin population 1.35m. Limerick population 195K. The disparity isn't really that surprising.

banie01

yop wrote: »

Dublin City and County get over 120m and Limerick City and County get 17m!
Great to get the money towards the schemes but 10 times more money!

Would Dublin not have @7,/8 times more people?
Aswell as a significantly higher tax and rates base?
Along with being significantly larger in terms of sprawl?

I can certainly see the fairness in the distribution of funds and couldn't really raise an objection on any basis other than they got more tbh.

yop

banie01 wrote: »

Would Dublin not have @7,/8 times more people?
Aswell as a significantly higher tax and rates base?
Along with being significantly larger in terms of sprawl?

I can certainly see the fairness in the distribution of funds and couldn't really raise an objection on any basis other than they got more tbh.

Goin by what is in the media some of the projects were already fit for purpose and been funded again.
If everything is on population above need then the other 25 counties are goosed.

banie01

yop wrote: »

Goin by what is in the media some of the projects were already fit for purpose and been funded again.
If everything is on population above need then the other 25 counties are goosed.

Need is a clear function of Population though?
Yes ideally pedestrian and cycle access would be of the same standard everywhere, but, simple truth is that it's demand and utilisation is going to be driven in the first instance by population density and frequency of use.

Cookiemunster

There's also a question of what plans the local authority have in place that are in need of funding. The NTA isn't going to announce grants to build stuff that hasn't been planned yet.

yop

Cookiemunster wrote: »

There's also a question of what plans the local authority have in place that are in need of funding. The NTA isn't going to announce grants to build stuff that hasn't been planned yet.

So 3 local auths (all in Dublin) are way ahead of the other 26 counties local auths?

Absolutely no bias in loading Dublin with the grants?


There are many many projects that could be done in Limerick and surrounding counties ahead of re-doing projects only finished in the last couple of years.

Anyway. Will agree to disagree

Mc Love

yop wrote: »

Dublin City and County get over 120m and Limerick City and County get 17m!
Great to get the money towards the schemes but 10 times more money!

Limerick only got 10 million because they didnt spend all of their money allocated for pedestrian and cycling infrastructure last year.

They only spent 3 million of the the 10 they had.

The Council have a lot to answer for and this is why we've been underfunded this year. Its a disgrace

Cookiemunster

yop wrote: »

So 3 local auths (all in Dublin) are way ahead of the other 26 counties local auths?

Absolutely no bias in loading Dublin with the grants?


There are many many projects that could be done in Limerick and surrounding counties ahead of re-doing projects only finished in the last couple of years.

Anyway. Will agree to disagree

This Dublin taking from the rest attitude annoys me. A simple look at the PDF will show you that there are multiple multi million euro projects listed within the 4 Dublin LAs. There are then projects for 8 other LAs (not 26) listed. The breakdown in monies is around 50/50 between the 4 Dublin LAs and the other 8. Cork City alone is getting nearly €30m.

Quite simply Limerick doesn't have multimillion projects in the pipeline that need funding. Thinks like the O'Connell St works and Coonagh to Knockalisheen have already been fully funded.

Cookiemunster

Mc Love wrote: »

Limerick only got 10 million because they didnt spend all of their money allocated for pedestrian and cycling infrastructure last year.

They only spent 3 million of the the 10 they had.

The Council have a lot to answer for and this is why we've been underfunded this year. Its a disgrace

Limerick got over €17m......