Limerick improvement projects

zulutango

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

You can't superimpose "success" on a city. It's built on deep roots. To understand a place is to understand its roots.

Agreed. But what has that to do with the price of milk?

Silentcorner

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

I just checked the galway forum. Yet to see a signification discussion on Limerick there.



I've lived in both places happily.
So galways success is clearly a hype job by the same Dublin meeja who have conspired to run limerick down?
In reality it's just a party house. The only people who can't see this are clearly thick uneducated GAA country peasants who put on their Sunday best to go puke on Quay streey on weekends, and pretentious silly hipsters chasing status?

Thats it? That's Galway?

There is no reason why you couldn't live in both places happily...Galway isn't for me but clearly it is popular...but if you can't see how hyped the place is you shouldn't be consuming media...

I like what you did with "meeja" by the way, the subtext being that I am some kind of conspiracy theorist/small town hick....the reality however is our National Media have an ingrained culture, in particular Dublin based media, that ingrained culture has shaped perceptions to a degree to which most of us are unaware...

For instance the Galway Races are presented to me on my National Broadcaster every year, and in every news bulletin during the week, all vital coverage for what is a very poor quality race meet... why? Why is that courtesy not extended to the many fine Race Meets across the country? Why do RTE choose the poorest quality race meet to show live on TV...If this racing event was occuring in Limerick it would be treated the same way "Aintree" gets treated by media in the UK, note that you never see pictures of drunken Irish people at the races, or hear reports of any assaults do you honestly believe that Limerick would receive the same courtesy?...Cork or Waterford are never accused of being hyped, nor do they suffer from image problems...

Silentcorner

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

You can't superimpose "success" on a city. It's built on deep roots. To understand a place is to understand its roots.

Well they managed to superimpose a reputation for being the "Cultured Jewel of the West" on what is Irelands most culturally irrelevant city...so ya, anything is possible...

Johnny_BravoIII

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well they managed to superimpose a reputation for being the "Cultured Jewel of the West" on what is Irelands most culturally irrelevant city...so ya, anything is possible...

This ol culture chestnut. Given the country is dated similarly let's assume parity in the culture wars. Im sure there's a passionate historian somewhere in offaly arguing his county matters more than the rest. The point being both galway and limerick have "culture" and lots of it.

Why does being a proud limerick person mean having an equal dislike for galway ?

Johnny_BravoIII

Silentcorner wrote: »

There is no reason why you couldn't live in both places happily...Galway isn't for me but clearly it is popular...but if you can't see how hyped the place is you shouldn't be consuming media...

I like what you did with "meeja" by the way, the subtext being that I am some kind of conspiracy theorist/small town hick....the reality however is our National Media have an ingrained culture, in particular Dublin based media, that ingrained culture has shaped perceptions to a degree to which most of us are unaware...

For instance the Galway Races are presented to me on my National Broadcaster every year, and in every news bulletin during the week, all vital coverage for what is a very poor quality race meet... why? Why is that courtesy not extended to the many fine Race Meets across the country? Why do RTE choose the poorest quality race meet to show live on TV...If this racing event was occuring in Limerick it would be treated the same way "Aintree" gets treated by media in the UK, note that you never see pictures of drunken Irish people at the races, or hear reports of any assaults do you honestly believe that Limerick would receive the same courtesy?...Cork or Waterford are never accused of being hyped, nor do they suffer from image problems...

Limerick oversea tourism numbers year on year are practically zero. If you parked the RTE van on o'connell street for 12 months you wouldn't increase this.
150,000 people attend the races annually. Possibly another 200,000 visit the city for "the craic". Many galway city residents hate the week but it's definitely newsworthy.

I notice the ploughing championships were constantly on RTE. Is that a Dublin media bias towards laois ploughing or the fact 300,000 people attend annually?

Limerick city has problems but lots of potential. Looking outside the city blaming irrelevant factors is a distraction.

If the city can build on its potential then superficial cheap tourism, stag nights and gentrification issues will arrive also.

Silentcorner

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

This ol culture chestnut. Given the country is dated similarly let's assume parity in the culture wars. Im sure there's a passionate historian somewhere in offaly arguing his county matters more than the rest. The point being both galway and limerick have "culture" and lots of it.

Why does being a proud limerick person mean having an equal dislike for galway ?

Lets not...you can't bury your head in the sand....well you can but you shouldn't...

Offaly does have a very interesting and relevant history that often goes unnoticed, but we are talking about the 5 Irish cities, of which, Galway is, by a distance I might add the most culturally insignificant...there is a side to the Irish personality that really irritates me, the side that frequently over exaggerates it own importance, and completely buries problems, Galway is one of many examples of that...that is probably where my dislike of Galway comes from...as a city it lacks self awareness...

Cities are always vying for relevance for all sorts of reasons all over the world, we here in Ireland are no different, this is an online forum where such topics are frequently debated, this is not my first debate of this nature, I normally respond when another poster compares the two cities...you will find tho that these two cities are almost polar opposite, in terms of culture, in terms of perception...

Silentcorner

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

Limerick oversea tourism numbers year on year are practically zero. If you parked the RTE van on o'connell street for 12 months you wouldn't increase this.
150,000 people attend the races annually. Possibly another 200,000 visit the city for "the craic". Many galway city residents hate the week but it's definitely newsworthy.

I notice the ploughing championships were constantly on RTE. Is that a Dublin media bias towards laois ploughing or the fact 300,000 people attend annually?

Limerick city has problems but lots of potential. Looking outside the city blaming irrelevant factors is a distraction.

If the city can build on its potential then superficial cheap tourism, stag nights and gentrification issues will arrive also.

That is my hell!!!

Look at Cork, a perfect example of how to build a steady sustainable tourism industry without compromising the unique character of the city, Cork has 22 hotels Galway has 53 should Cork up its game?...our foreign tourism numbers are far from zero by the way, we don't really attract Irish people, being called "S**b city" makes it challenging to attract them....I don't give a monkeys about that tho...

"gentrification issues"...what the f**k are they, what part of the city gets to be "the bohemian quarter" and such like ya?

This city does not have an issue prospering, despite perceptions....its history is riddled with Booms and Busts...it has always been a tale of extreme wealth and extreme poverty with a large middle class in between...

Who decides that the Galway Races is newsworthy and the similar annual racing festival in Limerick isn't, or anywhere else....do you not recognise that the hype on TV surrounding the ploughing championship plays a massive part in driving the crowds...you cannot buy that kind of exposure...literally..

The last time Limerick saw crowds of that size was for Royale Deluxe, which RTE ignored...depriving Irish people of seeing the city in a light they are not used to seeing it in...

You are right Limerick does have issues that need to be addressed...our biggest issue is how the city is goverened/administered....Galway has the exact same issue but Galway people are convinced they are living in a "Cultured, wealthy utopia" instead of the city that has been damaged the most by planning corruption...

Johnny_BravoIII

You can't superimpose "success" on a city. It's built on deep roots. To understand a place is to understand its roots.

There are reasons why people choose to live and work in Galway and Cork over Limerick. It's not superficial paddywhackery or an RTE bias.

For the next 4 weeks Limerick will be empty. The sight of a tourist is almost unusual. Galway and Cork are rammed. It's not due to RTE.

If the city can build on its potential then superficial cheap tourism, stag nights ....

Ok, let me rephrase. The above happens in all cities with any reasonable level of tourism success. The low ball stuff quickly rolls it.
It's not what Galway or Cork are about.

do you not recognise that the hype on TV surrounding the ploughing championship plays a massive part in driving the crowds.

If the media couldn't be influenced PR wouldn't exist.

Successful events are successful initially with or without RTE.The success of the Galway races, the ploughing championship, the Electric picnic, Other Voices is nothing to do with the RTE Dublin media bias. The organisers of the above developed and promoted events which attracted increased numbers year-on-year. The Galway races are running since 1869, how did they manage to sell tickets without RTE?

Maybe the Granny should have got more coverage, but it was an isolated incident? In fact, the most coverage the city got was the PR disaster at the beginning.

Maybe the Great Limerick Run weekend could be developed into something. But for the moment it's terrible and ignorable.

The same goes with the ranking culture arguments, "we're great because...." is the opening line of any passionate person of place. Your definition of culture which emphasises significant turning points in history, old cathedral's, castles', good viking stories doesn't necessarily outrank the Galway Art's Festival, The Film Fleagh, morning swims at blackrock or disco on the corrib river for Galway people. It's another pointless rabbit hole which serves no purpose.

If you believe the city is perfectly fine the way it is, if you believe the reasons the city is empty relates to RTE bias, then I respectably disagree.

Figerty

Silentcorner wrote: »

You must of missed the 900 year old cathedral built by a descendant of Brian Boru in his honour, or the 800 years old castle built by the Normans beside it, or the museums/art galleries all of which display aspects of Limericks charachter or the 250 year old Georgian District....or the River Shannon...

What Limerick City Centre lacks is vibrancy, which is footfall...not to be confused with character or soul, both of which Limerick is rammed full of...but I'd take our "lack of vibrancy" over Galways "drunken/cultured vibe" any day of the week...

You are of course entitled to your opinion, in fact I have met people who seem to have a downright hatred of Limerick City....they typically tick a number of the following boxes

They think Trad music is the best form of music in the world
They think GAA is the best sport in the world
They think drinking all day is "having the craic"
If they were to live in Cork/Dublin they would strongly prefer the Southside
They believe it is nice to eat in restuarantes that reflect their perceived status.
They think Galway is Irelands Cultured city
They think a great day out is any day that gives them an excuse to wear expensive clothes
They don't have an opinion on Political corruption
The are not mad about Dublin or Waterford

The more of the above boxes you tick, the stronger the dislike of Limerick, I find anyway...

Nope, I didn't miss it, but if the most significant cultural building in Limerick is 900 years old, it really hasn't developed much in the intervening years.

I really don't see why you need to denigrate things like Irish music, or Irish sport to make an arguments. They are part of our culture andwell respected internationally. The negativity is not needed. Irish Culture is Irish Culture.

Limerick lacks vibrancy , I agree with that. I lived in Limerick City Centre for 10 years, after 6 O'Clock in the evening the City centre is shut down. There is no one sitting out on the streets or wandering around for the social scene. This can't be changed.

There is something to do in Galway for the whole summer and people participate in. Galway is a cultured city, it's up to you to see past the drinking and go deeper.

Have a look http://thisisgalway.ie/events/

Compare that to the Limerick Version

http://www.ilovelimerick.ie/where/events/

Silentcorner

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

There are reasons why people choose to live and work in Galway and Cork over Limerick. It's not superficial paddywhackery or an RTE bias.

For the next 4 weeks Limerick will be empty. The sight of a tourist is almost unusual. Galway and Cork are rammed. It's not due to RTE.

If the city can build on its potential then superficial cheap tourism, stag nights ....

Ok, let me rephrase. The above happens in all cities with any reasonable level of tourism success. The low ball stuff quickly rolls it.
It's not what Galway or Cork are about.

If the media couldn't be influenced PR wouldn't exist.

Successful events are successful initially with or without RTE.The success of the Galway races, the ploughing championship, the Electric picnic, Other Voices is nothing to do with the RTE Dublin media bias. The organisers of the above developed and promoted events which attracted increased numbers year-on-year. The Galway races are running since 1869, how did they manage to sell tickets without RTE?

Maybe the Granny should have got more coverage, but it was an isolated incident? In fact, the most coverage the city got was the PR disaster at the beginning.

Maybe the Great Limerick Run weekend could be developed into something. But for the moment it's terrible and ignorable.

The same goes with the ranking culture arguments, "we're great because...." is the opening line of any passionate person of place. Your definition of culture which emphasises significant turning points in history, old cathedral's, castles', good viking stories doesn't necessarily outrank the Galway Art's Festival, The Film Fleagh, morning swims at blackrock or disco on the corrib river for Galway people. It's another pointless rabbit hole which serves no purpose.

If you believe the city is perfectly fine the way it is, if you believe the reasons the city is empty relates to RTE bias, then I respectably disagree.

I take your points, I have repeated said that altho Galway is not for me, it is clearly a popular city, and to be fair all Irish cities deliver a fairly decent standard of living to all who choose to live in them....

The perception however that more people choose to live in Galway is frankly ridiculous....the population of Galway City is a good 30-40,000 smaller than Limerick...think long and hard about trying to suggest that house prices are some kind of indicator of superior popularity or demand...our property market has been highly dysfunctional for well over 15 years...

Limerick clears out over the 6 weeks of summer, which is a strong indicator that the people who live here also can afford themselves the luxury of a holiday home elsewhere...several towns on the west coast of Clare is full of Limerick people at the moment...hardly a bad thing!!! It is also very common for cities to clear out across Europe and the US during the summer months...

I have already stated that Limerick struggles to attract Irish weekend vacationers to fill that gap but what of it...

There are tourist attractions in the city whose visitor number surge in the summer months....take a look at the amount of reviews the city receives on Tripadvisor...it is well behind Galway but it is no where near being a city broadly avoided by tourists...you seem completely blind to this...

There are reasons why people prefer to live in Galway over Dublin, and Cork over Limerick, and Dublin over Waterford etc etc...I am not really sure what your point is here...

Galway and Cork are vastly different, vastly different....Paddywhackery to me, is flogging shillelaghs and aran sweaters celtic jewllery to tourists wrapping trad music up with a pub culture and loads of craic...maybe you are right...maybe that is not what Galway about, but the main street is full of all that....

I feel that Limerick is a great place to live, I commute for no more than 15 minutes to work and back every day, I enjoy a range of activities, sport, theatre, music etc etc more often than not I can't afford to get to all the things I would like to....I feel I live in a city that is great to socialise in, very safe, nowhere is mobbed to uncomfortable levels (apart form Nancys) we do not get the "mania" that goes with the lowball tourist stuff you feel we should be pursuing...it is a city with a great sense of humour, home to loads of talented musicians, artists, writers and sports people from all walks of life, we have a few small festivals that I like...

Is it perfect...I have never stated that it is, far from it, for about the 100th time our local authority is our biggest issue they are one of the reasons we never cultivated a tourism industry like other cities, they are absolutely responsible for the state the city centre is in....in that it lacks the vibrancy it should have...

If you believe that Irish media have nothing to do with the distorted perceptions of both cities then what can I say....you are more trusting of Irish media than I am...I remember that naivety from my youth...I miss it...

But if you feel that Galway is some kind of utopia good luck to you...if you find a torturous commute to work every day a price worth paying then who am I to judge...if you feel that living in a small city with a massive tourist industry an indicator of a good quality of life then good for you...if you don't mind socialising while surrounded by Stags and Hens from all over the country then sure for you Galway is great...if you think that Limerick should be aspiring to copy Galways "success" well that is where I respectfully disagree..

Silentcorner

[QUOTE=Figerty;100530480]Nope, I didn't miss it, but if the most significant cultural building in Limerick is 900 years old, it really hasn't developed much in the intervening years.

I really don't see why you need to denigrate things like Irish music, or Irish sport to make an arguments. They are part of our culture andwell respected internationally. The negativity is not needed. Irish Culture is Irish Culture.

Limerick lacks vibrancy , I agree with that. I lived in Limerick City Centre for 10 years, after 6 O'Clock in the evening the City centre is shut down. There is no one sitting out on the streets or wandering around for the social scene. This can't be changed.

There is something to do in Galway for the whole summer and people participate in. Galway is a cultured city, it's up to you to see past the drinking and go deeper.

Have a look http://thisisgalway.ie/events/

Compare that to the Limerick Version

http://www.ilovelimerick.ie/where/events/ [/QUOTE]

It is a 900 year old building....I am not sure what we should do other than preserve it, it hosts sermons and concerts all year round...some really excellent concerts at that...you clearly have no appreciation for Irish/Limerick history, it doesn't surprise me you don't think Limerick has no character or soul (incredibly inaccurate and nasty things to suggest by the way)

I didn't denigrade Irish music or GAA, I didn't even express an opinion on either...

It is your opinion that Galway is a cultured city...to me it slickly packages "Culture" in the form of over 100 festivals per year to feed the tourist monster the local authority has allowed to evolve but in my opinion Galway City Council has gotten away with much more than just that...to me Galway is a tourist city, cities like this exist all over the world, in Spain and other countries a good few of them regretted chasing that monster...

It is hard to see past the drinking in Galway, it is everywhere, 7 nights a week...the main street is one pub after the next...only in Ireland, a country with a dysfunctional relationship with alcohol is that seen as a positive...there are no decent museums/galleries/tourist attractions...even interesting architecture...

For what it is worth, I really appreciate the Culture of Cork and Dublin, I haven't spent too much time in Waterford but I look forward to changing that, it is a city that has a load of history and culture which I look forward to exploring...it is not like I am blinkered, unlike some!!

goochy

Galway city has had best property prices outside dublin for many years

Silentcorner

How can anyone suggest that Limerick lacks ambition, this is not the first time someone has made this assumption...everyone with talent in Limerick looks far beyond the local or even national stage....there is no basis for this argument at all....it has produced a wealth of international talent which I am not going to list....where do you think that ambition comes from?

The local authority are a different kettle of fish mind...

Even a brief look at the cities industrial history and you will see that ambition...its mad that Limerick is perceived to be a place that lacks ambition...it is full of stages, from Thomond Park, to UCH, Dolans to the belltable, Art Galleries to the Markets Field....these are where locals express that ambition through music/sport/theatre....

Incidentally, Galway was always known as "the graveyard of ambition", despite the presence of a University the city was an economic dustbowl until about 14 years ago when it was included in an EU/BMW initiative that supported regions that were lagging behind, this is a fact...at the time its house prices were greater than Limericks also...a few things happened...Irish people became flush and headed off on weekend pissups the likes of which we have never seen...Air travel got cheaper having a huge impact on the tourism numbers on the island....both groups flocked to Galway...we also got very vulgar which didn't surface in Limerick as much...but tourism is only good for hotels/pubs/restuarantes...and they do not provide a great standard of living for most of the workers...it is no good for general retail or the professional sector...

Limerick people enjoy some of the highest levels of disposable income in the country...which is why a load of us are enjoying the bank holiday in a holiday home on the west coast of Clare are as we argue online on a forum...just because Limerick people complain about everything do not be fooled by the quality of life....

Limerick people have little interest in impressing anybody, but we are tired of the same old narrative that this thread is now riddled with...this is reflected in our Local Authority amongst others...if you think about it...there is something a little admirable about that...Irish people have a need to feel loved to be validated, if the tourists aren't flocking here there must be something wrong with the place, when in reality tourists are like makerel, easily corralled and not too bright...

Silentcorner

goochy wrote: »

Galway city has had best property prices outside dublin for many years

Kilkee had the best housing prices in Co Clare for a long time too despite the lack of any industry outside of tourism...go figure!

Silentcorner

Should we harbour an ambition to have much higher house prices?

You do realise that the Limerick housing market/prices have been the most stable in the country...they increased the least during the boom, and decreased the least during the crash...despite suffering from the loss of circa 4,000 jobs in 2009...

Silentcorner

Jesus Christ...in the last 24 hours or so, this city on this thread (called Limerick improvement projects) has been accused of

Having no soul
Having no character
Of underachieving on every level
Lacking ambition
Having no culture
Having no tourists
Having "the worst housing prices" (i might be stretching that one)
Having no economy

Now, I know the place has issues...but this is one f**ked up misperception/misrepresentation,...and it is a constant theme of threads on here...is there another Irish city or any city anywhere that has to put up with this s**t?

Silentcorner

It is true...drive around Castletroy/Annacotty, home to a University, about 4,000 well paid jobs in FDI...excellent schools, great facilities, restuarants, access to all the sport and culture Limerick has to offer, 25 min drive from Shannon airport....head to Dooradoyle/Raheen, home to a hospital, a very large shopping centre...about 5,000 well paid jobs in FDI...both good/safe suburbs compare those prices to similar size houses in Galway....it is off the charts....

Limerick housing prices are not the problem

J Mysterio

Limerick has a really good Art scene. Lots of creative people and they create a good buzz. Theres also a good mix of working stiffs amd academics/ students.

We do need a connection from the university to town though. A Luas type job would be really cool. We need to make it easier for young people to use the city.

zulutango

Figerty wrote:

Limerick lacks vibrancy , I agree with that. I lived in Limerick City Centre for 10 years, after 6 O'Clock in the evening the City centre is shut down. There is no one sitting out on the streets or wandering around for the social scene. This can't be changed. There is something to do in Galway for the whole summer and people participate in. Galway is a cultured city ..

Wow! Galway, a cultured city?

Silentcorner

In every other normal country this is the case....we had the worst property crash in the OECD, which meant we can not claim to have a "normal" property market, you need to identify as many of the variables you can...in Ireland the same rules do not apply...because of how we managed our property boom (planning corruption and excess lending plus cash investors) and how completely unbalanced the country was developed, there are a range of reasons why Galway, a smaller city, has house prices 30% higher than Limerick...you won't make a lot of money on your Limerick house purchase, but you won't pay through the nose for it either....which is really how it should be!!

Figerty

zulutango wrote: »

Wow! Galway, a cultured city?

The point being that at least there is a coherent organised effort to promote Galway. Compare the two centres, which one works harder at being positive?

Yes, it's commercially driven but at least it's driven and drawing tourists.

It's like the old joke, what's the difference between English Folk music and Yogurt...Yogurt is a Living culture..What is the living culture of Limerick?

So, if you want to draw something positive from this thread, what can Limerick do to enhance the cultural draw and pride in the City centre? The Giant Granny was a novelty act, Rugby is one aspect but brings a drinking culture? LSAD is about the most vibrant living part of Limerick at the moment.

What is the living heart and soul of the culture of Limerick?

Silentcorner

Figerty wrote: »

The point being that at least there is a coherent organised effort to promote Galway. Compare the two centres, which one works harder at being positive?

Yes, it's commercially driven but at least it's driven and drawing tourists.

It's like the old joke, what's the difference between English Folk music and Yogurt...Yogurt is a Living culture..What is the living culture of Limerick?

So, if you want to draw something positive from this thread, what can Limerick do to enhance the cultural draw and pride in the City centre? The Giant Granny was a novelty act, Rugby is one aspect but brings a drinking culture? LSAD is about the most vibrant living part of Limerick at the moment.

What is the living heart and soul of the culture of Limerick?

There is a coherant organised effort to fill the 50 hotels and over 400 restuarantes and hundreds of pubs alright...their would need to be...there is a massive dependence on tourism in Galway that doesn't exist in Limerick or Cork or Waterford for that matter...

I am not going to list the different layers of Limerick life, I'd be wasting my breath...

Limerick City Centre has been one of the cleanest in the country for the last few years, how does that fit your narrative?

As I said previously Irish people buy into hype like no other nation...of course when you are buying into it you are completely blind to that fact!

Figerty

Silentcorner wrote: »

There is a coherant organised effort to fill the 50 hotels and over 400 restuarantes and hundreds of pubs alright...their would need to be...there is a massive dependence on tourism in Galway that doesn't exist in Limerick or Cork or Waterford for that matter...

I am not going to list the different layers of Limerick life, I'd be wasting my breath...

Limerick City Centre has been one of the cleanest in the country for the last few years, how does that fit your narrative?

As I said previously Irish people buy into hype like no other nation...of course when you are buying into it you are completely blind to that fact!

Yes, it's called commercial activity.. It gives jobs, breaths life and keeps a heart and soul going.

Right don't answer the question so. You know it's a dead end for you. Limerick is clean, because it's empty and will remain so at night.

In two weeks time, up to 400,000 people will visit the Fleadh in Ennis.. This will leave a commercial and cultural legacy for the next 30 years. Have a think about that.

Silentcorner

Figerty wrote: »

Yes, it's called commercial activity.. It gives jobs, breaths life and keeps a heart and soul going.

Right don't answer the question so. You know it's a dead end for you. Limerick is clean, because it's empty.

In two weeks time, up to 400,000 people will visit the Fleadh in Ennis.. This will leave a commercial and cultural legacy for the next 30 years. Have a think about that.

It gives Stags/Hens and Weekend pissheads more than anything else which is no good for Retail of Professional sectors who normally occupy the bulk of commercial activity in a city centre, like Cork/Waterford/Dublin/Limerick the cities that do not depend on tourism....it also makes the streets looked packed....but not with shoppers or business people...

I won't answer the question because you clearly have your head stuck in the sand...you can't bring yourself to appreciate the historical relevance of Limerick you don't have any appreciation for the the cultural significance of the place either, I am not going to waste my breath trying to convince you of otherwise....you don't want to see it!

The fleadh has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever...none...it moves around from town to town, fair play to Ennis for getting it i hope it goes well for them....

Silentcorner

zulutango wrote: »

Wow! Galway, a cultured city?

You'd be surprised how many Irish people think seeing buskers perform WagonWheel on a street indicates culture!

Vanquished

zulutango wrote: »

Figerty wrote:

Limerick lacks vibrancy , I agree with that. I lived in Limerick City Centre for 10 years, after 6 O'Clock in the evening the City centre is shut down. There is no one sitting out on the streets or wandering around for the social scene. This can't be changed. There is something to do in Galway for the whole summer and people participate in. Galway is a cultured city ..

Wow! Galway, a cultured city?

Silentcorner wrote: »

zulutango wrote: »

Wow! Galway, a cultured city?

You'd be surprised how many Irish people think seeing buskers perform WagonWheel on a street indicates culture!

Oh they really do genuinely believe that. It's the narrative they've been fed and the image they seek to portray.

I can recall an encounter I had with a taxi driver up there a couple of years back. He asked me if I had had a good time over the weekend and how did I find Galway. I said it was fine but I wasn't overly impressed by the place or the experience. He was genuinely shocked by my response. He trotted out the standard reflex retort "but sure Galway's great, everbody loves it here!" I continued that I thought it was a very shallow and superficial place and just couldn't see what all the fuss was about. He looked at me as if I had insulted his Mother. He said it was the first time in 20 years that he'd heard anyone speak critically of Galway.

After that I was never more convinced of the herd like mentality of the fanboys/girls who flock to Galway for "the craic"

Figerty

Silentcorner wrote: »

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It gives Stags/Hens and Weekend pissheads more than anything else which is no good for Retail of Professional sectors who normally occupy the bulk of commercial activity in a city centre, like Cork/Waterford/Dublin/Limerick the cities that do not depend on tourism....it also makes the streets looked packed....but not with shoppers or business people...

I won't answer the question because you clearly have your head stuck in the sand...you can't bring yourself to appreciate the historical relevance of Limerick you don't have any appreciation for the the cultural significance of the place either, I am not going to waste my breath trying to convince you of otherwise....you don't want to see it!

The fleadh has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever...none...it moves around from town to town, fair play to Ennis for getting it i hope it goes well for them....

You know it's a dead end for you. Good luck with living in the past.

Special Circumstances

Figerty wrote: »

I really don't see why you need to denigrate things like Irish music, or Irish sport to make an arguments. They are part of our culture andwell respected internationally. The negativity is not needed. Irish Culture is Irish Culture.

Well said.

I'm not afraid to admit I like a pint and some good trad, a good game of hurling. Even though these things have been connected with "low" or "cheap" culture over the last few pages. (Where EVs were revealed as inefficient and Galway revealed as culturally insignificant).

I assume this love of traditional Irish stuff is what prevents me from enjoying the high culture of a dirty mooring rope thrown across a floor at the (still the (barbarians)) exhibition.

magma69

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus Christ...in the last 24 hours or so, this city on this thread (called Limerick improvement projects) has been accused of

Having no soul
Having no character
Of underachieving on every level
Lacking ambition
Having no culture
Having no tourists
Having "the worst housing prices" (i might be stretching that one)
Having no economy

Now, I know the place has issues...but this is one f**ked up misperception/misrepresentation,...and it is a constant theme of threads on here...is there another Irish city or any city anywhere that has to put up with this s**t?

It's just a reflection of the site in general tbh. This place is populated with miserable gits who sit at their computer whinging about stuff. Not a decent word to say about anything or anyone. They were probably bullied in school, hence the sheer bitterness with the world. That's my theory anyway.

Silentcorner

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Well said.

I'm not afraid to admit I like a pint and some good trad, a good game of hurling. Even though these things have been connected with "low" or "cheap" culture over the last few pages. (Where EVs were revealed as inefficient and Galway revealed as culturally insignificant).

I assume this love of traditional Irish stuff is what prevents me from enjoying the high culture of a dirty mooring rope thrown across a floor at the (still the (barbarians)) exhibition.

You are aware that i did not denegrade either Irish music or Gaa, as someone who enjoys many aspects of Irish culture i can appreciate both, they do not however all encompass Irish Culture, they are a small part of it...never in my life have I heard GAA or Trad being refered to as low culture...I am not even sure what low culture is...the only thing that prevents you from enjoying any culture is you!