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    #992
    Vanquished
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    An Taisce has appealed LIT's Coonagh Cross plans to An Bord Pleanala.


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    #993
    johnnyryan89
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    Vanquished wrote: »
    An Taisce has appealed LIT's Coonagh Cross plans to An Bord Pleanala.

    Isn't that their second time appealing LIT's Coonagh Cross plans.


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    #994
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    johnnyryan89 wrote: »
    Isn't that their second time appealing LIT's Coonagh Cross plans.

    What is their gripe ? The place has been an eyesore for years ?


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    #995
    Vanquished
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    marienbad wrote: »
    What is their gripe ? The place has been an eyesore for years ?

    It's not so much an appeal against the re-use of an empty facility. But more so an objection to the establishment of an education complex right on the very edge of the city. Isolated from the main campus and with poor public transport connections.


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    #996
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Vanquished wrote: »
    It's not so much an appeal against the re-use of an empty facility. But more so an objection to the establishment of an education complex right on the very edge of the city. Isolated from the main campus and with poor public transport connections.

    Surely it is not that isolated from the main campus ? I presume it will connect with the Meelick road ?

    Edit. what has any of that to do with An Taisce ? I thought their function was preservation


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    #997
    Jofspring
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    They are putting a road in between the back of Tesco and the old cratloe road. It will be a 3 minute drive from the main campus. A 5-10 minute cycle and about 15-20 minute walk. That's taking it very handy.


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    #998
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Jofspring wrote: »
    They are putting a road in between the back of Tesco and the old cratloe road. It will be a 3 minute drive from the main campus. A 5-10 minute cycle and about 15-20 minute walk. That's taking it very handy.

    Yeah that is what I assumed , and busses galore .


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    #999
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    marienbad wrote: »
    Yeah that is what I assumed , and busses galore .

    Also the two main student accommodations out there are on the cratloe road and will be as near to Coonagh as the main campus. Probably closer.


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    #1000
    Mc Love
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    An Taisce sit around all day waiting for applications to come in so they can appeal them.


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    #1001
    Vanquished
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    Unsurprisingly the proposed office and apartment development at Bishop’s Quay/Lower Cecil Street has been appealed to An Bord Pleanala by a resident of the Riverfront building on Howley’s Quay.

    Brian Phelan claims that the windows on the Cecil Street elevation of the office block will either look directly in to his property or overlook it. “Becoming a profound invasion” of the privacy his home enjoys. He also claims that the new building is a “potential eysesore”

    The case is not due to be decided until late May which means that construction isn’t likely to begin until July or August. That’s presuming that the initial approval is upheld.


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    #1002
    Poxyshamrock
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    Get some f**king blinds then, Brian.


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    #1003
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    High rise buildings overlooking each other in a city centre. What's the world coming to. They need to all be torn down.


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    #1004
    dave 27
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    I feel like I'm reading a post from 4 months ago, didn't this get conditional approval and work to begin in March?!


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    #1005
    sleepyman
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    dave 27 wrote: »
    I feel like I'm reading a post from 4 months ago, didn't this get conditional approval and work to begin in March?!

    That's what I was thinking!!What a f***king joke that he can hold up development.I was looking forward to work starting in March.


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    #1006
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    dave 27 wrote: »
    I feel like I'm reading a post from 4 months ago, didn't this get conditional approval and work to begin in March?!

    If you made a submission to the planning process, you've got 6 weeks to appeal the decision to APB if it doesn't go your way. That unfortunately is the law.


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    #1007
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Vanquished wrote:
    He also claims that the new building is a “potential eysesoreâ€

    He might be right here. It's certainly not the most creative of designs. That said, I don't think this is ABP's concern so I can't see his objection being upheld.

    Surely he's not the only person appealing to ABP though? Quite a few objected at planning stage.


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    #1008
    Vanquished
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    Yes. Anyone who lodged an objection/observation to the council during the planning process then has the option of appealing to ABP after the local authority has handed down a decision. In this case the council granted the application on December 20th and the closing date for objections to ABP is tomorrow (January 25th).

    Obviously an independent planning appeals body is required. But there needs to be a more efficient and effective means of adjudicating on what would be considered less complex or frivolous objections. The standard turnover time of 4 to 6 months is too long.


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    #1009
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Vanquished wrote:
    Obviously an independent planning appeals body is required. But there needs to be a more efficient and effective means of adjudicating on what would be considered less complex or frivolous objections. The standard turnover time of 4 to 6 months is too long.


    The process would work a lot better if so much development wasn't developer-led. If there was a proper master plan for the city (Limerick 2030 is far from this) then developers and everybody else would be able to see how the city's future development has been set out and issues could be ironed out long before the formal planning process. It's about time the Council got their act together and put together a decent master plan for the city.


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    #1010
    Vanquished
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    zulutango wrote: »
    The process would work a lot better if so much development wasn't developer-led. If there was a proper master plan for the city (Limerick 2030 is far from this) then developers and everybody else would be able to see how the city's future development has been set out and issues could be ironed out long before the formal planning process. It's about time the Council got their act together and put together a decent master plan for the city.

    True. But that doesn't change the fact that the system is still at the mercy of those who submit dubious and frivolous appeals purely to frustrate the development process.


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    #1011
    tommy249
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    According to the front page of the Limerick leader, the developer behind the Bishops Quay project is saying that the whole development is now in jeprody because of the appeals as he now cannot meet commitments to tenants to hand keys over in the time frame promised. Hopefully he is only bluffing but it's crazy that someone living in a high rise apartment block can object about his view and kill the whole development 😡


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    #1012
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    There's three appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála, not just the one from the guy who thinks his privacy will be infringed.

    I don't think that particular appeal will be upheld (not familiar with the other ones), but at the same time the developer's line is very questionable. Any developer should factor into his timeframe the possibility of appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála. At the end of the day we're talking about a major development for the city centre and it shouldn't be pushed through hastily. If the plan falls apart because of this 'delay' then it clearly wasn't much of a plan to begin with.


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    #1013
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    There's three appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála, not just the one from the guy who thinks his privacy will be infringed.

    I don't think that particular appeal will be upheld (not familiar with the other ones), but at the same time the developer's line is very questionable. Any developer should factor into his timeframe the possibility of appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála. At the end of the day we're talking about a major development for the city centre and it shouldn't be pushed through hastily. If the plan falls apart because of this 'delay' then it clearly wasn't much of a plan to begin with.


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    #1014
    vkid
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    tommy249 wrote: »
    According to the front page of the Limerick leader, the developer behind the Bishops Quay project is saying that the whole development is now in jeprody because of the appeals as he now cannot meet commitments to tenants to hand keys over in the time frame promised. Hopefully he is only bluffing but it's crazy that someone living in a high rise apartment block can object about his view and kill the whole development 😡

    Did they not do a similar story when it was first objected to?

    Seriously the Leader and the Post are just brutal newspapers.


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    mart 23
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭mart 23


    zulutango wrote: »
    There's three appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála, not just the one from the guy who thinks his privacy will be infringed.

    I don't think that particular appeal will be upheld (not familiar with the other ones), but at the same time the developer's line is very questionable. Any developer should factor into his timeframe the possibility of appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála. At the end of the day we're talking about a major development for the city centre and it shouldn't be pushed through hastily. If the plan falls apart because of this 'delay' then it clearly wasn't much of a plan to begin with.
    There are 3 appeals . 2 from B Phelan and T Moloney are showing as valid but the third from the Irish Georgian Society is invalid. Why i dont know


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    #1016
    Poxyshamrock
    Registered Users Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    mart 23 wrote: »
    zulutango wrote: »
    There's three appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála, not just the one from the guy who thinks his privacy will be infringed.

    I don't think that particular appeal will be upheld (not familiar with the other ones), but at the same time the developer's line is very questionable. Any developer should factor into his timeframe the possibility of appeals being made to An Bord Pleanála. At the end of the day we're talking about a major development for the city centre and it shouldn't be pushed through hastily. If the plan falls apart because of this 'delay' then it clearly wasn't much of a plan to begin with.
    There are 3 appeals . 2 from B Phelan and T Moloney are showing as valid but the third from the Irish Georgian Society is invalid. Why i dont know

    B Phelan is the guy in the apartment and T Moloney is the owner of Squire McGuire's.


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    #1017
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    Poxyshamrock wrote:
    B Phelan is the guy in the apartment and T Moloney is the owner of Squire McGuire's.

    One would think it's a great opportunity for Squire McGuire's.


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    #1018
    lazyman
    Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭lazyman


    zulutango wrote: »
    One would think it's a great opportunity for Squire McGuire's.

    A great opportunity for a pay off....and then a great opportunity to improve business!!


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    #1019
    zulutango
    Registered Users Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭zulutango


    theblackstuff wrote: »
    planning notice up at Eamon Nicholas butcher in Annacotty Village, looking to change the use to an Apache Pizza...
    Planning ref number 17109

    This is the Limerick Improvement Projects thread ...


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    #1020
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I noticed last night that the first section of new paving is down on Davis St. outside the railway hotel.


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    #1021
    Jofspring
    Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    I noticed last night that the first section of new paving is down on Davis St. outside the railway hotel.

    And it's different to the original drawing that was shown. The path in the original was wide all the way up the left hand side with trees. Now it's wide at the bottom but narrows after about 20 feet. The path from the taxi rank up to the kebab shop is also slanted.


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