9/11 season.

Happyman42

czx wrote: »

Not only are the US to blame for suicide bombings, they actually want them to happen?

The US and the west are to blame for the instability that has caused the unrest.

czx

Happyman42 wrote: »

The US and the west are to blame for the instability that has caused the unrest.

The suicide bombers are to blame for suicide bombing.

Aganica

What happened on the 9th of november

anyone sent home early from school when it happened i remever when in english class and the over the intercom the princepal said go home . go straight home right now do not return until we say so

was so confused i rang my mother and she said the same thing she would tell me anything

i got home my aunt and mother were in the sitting room watching the tv its must of been 2.30pm and thats all i remeber so sad

American Airlines and United may face trial over 9/11.


Reuters) - A U.S. judge ruled that AMR Corp's American Airlines and United Continental Holdings Inc must face trial over claims relating to the September 11 attacks that destroyed the landmark towers of the World Trade Center in New York almost 11 years ago, court documents showed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/05/uk-americanairlines-united-idUSLNE88400S20120905

Happyman42

czx wrote: »

The suicide bombers are to blame for suicide bombing.

Insightful analysis right there. :rolleyes:

There are those within the US and within vested interest groups who are delighted that there is instability. Instability that reaches far beyond the suicide bombers (one of the symptoms of instability) That continued instability means they can maintain their position of the 'moral' police of the region, (which is how they portray themselves to their voters/shareholders) thereby controlling their real interests - an undisrupted supply of OIL and the profits earned supplying said oil to all of us.

asherbassad

kneemos wrote: »

Looks like it's that time again the documentaries have begun,don't know about others but I still find it kind of facinating if I'm honest.

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Higher

Happyman42 wrote: »

Insightful analysis right there. :rolleyes:

There are those within the US and within vested interest groups who are delighted that there is instability. Instability that reaches far beyond the suicide bombers (one of the symptoms of instability) That continued instability means they can maintain their position of the 'moral' police of the region, (which is how they portray themselves to their voters/shareholders) thereby controlling their real interests - an undisrupted supply of OIL and the profits earned supplying said oil to all of us.

AHA so thats why they invaded Afghanistan a place with no oil and then allowed the Iraqi oil contracts to go to CHINESE companies.

It all makes so much sense.

If only the 'sheeple' were as intelligent as me. Open your eyes. etc.

kneemos

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Thats what always springs to my mind whenever I see it

Border-Rat

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Or the DU/Nuclear waste that now contaminates areas like Fallujah, with a half-life of millions of years. In effect, sentencing families there to hundreds of thousands of years of genetic deformity and still-births. That is a new low for humanity. Infantile cancer is already up in Iraq by 600%.

El Siglo

Indeed, on this grim ninth anniversary – and heaven spare us next year from the 10th – 9/11 appears to have produced not peace or justice or democracy or human rights, but monsters. They have prowled Iraq – both the Western and the local variety – and slaughtered 100,000 souls, or 500,000, or a million; and who cares? They have killed tens of thousands in Afghanistan; and who cares? And as the sickness has spread across the Middle East and then the globe, they – the air force pilots and the insurgents, the Marines and the suicide bombers, the al-Qa'idas of the Maghreb and of the Khalij and of the Caliphate of Iraq and the special forces and the close air support boys and the throat-cutters – have torn the heads off women and children and the old and the sick and the young and healthy, from the Indus to the Mediterranean, from Bali to the London Tube; quite a memorial to the 2,966 innocents who were killed nine years ago. All in their name, it seems, has been our holocaust of fire and blood, enshrined now in the crazed pastor of Gainesville.

Robert Fisk, Independent, 11 September 2010 (link: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-nine-years-two-wars-hundreds-of-thousands-dead-ndash-and-nothing-learnt-2076450.html)

9/11 didn't change the world at all, it showed the western world what decades of interference, regime building, despot tolerating, pro-Israeli, army bases in Saudi building, has produced in the middle east.

If you want to start learning about why things are the way they are, read "The Great War for Civilisation: Conquest of the Middle East" by Robert Fisk. Without a shadow of a doubt it is the best book I have ever read.

Wompa1

Border-Rat wrote: »

Or the DU/Nuclear waste that now contaminates areas like Fallujah, with a half-life of millions of years. In effect, sentencing families there to hundreds of thousands of years of genetic deformity and still-births. That is a new low for humanity. Infantile cancer is already up in Iraq by 600%.

Wow, have you had any ill effects yourself from when you were exposed to the Nuclear waste there?

Happyman42

Higher wrote: »

AHA so thats why they invaded Afghanistan a place with no oil and then allowed the Iraqi oil contracts to go to CHINESE companies.

It all makes so much sense.

If only the 'sheeple' were as intelligent as me. Open your eyes. etc.

Which bit of 'undisrupted supply' and 'profits earned supplying' are you having difficulty with?

And think oil pipelines when you think Afghanistan. There is more to oil than just having it. :rolleyes:

briany

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'll probably watch a couple of documentaries over the next week or so when I see one that I want to see. I've still got '9/11 - 102 minutes which changed America' recorded from last year. It's a 'real-time' documentary with no voice-over, no presenter just bits of home video footage edited together covering the attacks and the reaction on the ground in New York. It's hard to watch in places but really drives home what it must have been like to be there that day.

Best 9/11 doc of them all. Gripping from start to finish, not sullied by cheesy narration, just a stone cold account of what happened on the day shot by an assortment of some the people who were most affected by it; ordinary New Yorkers on the ground but were not actually in the towers themselves when the planes struck.

WhatNowForUs?

I hate the term baddies and goodies when used by adults to adults, as in - we are out to get these baddies.

Cool Mo D

Border-Rat wrote: »

Or the DU/Nuclear waste that now contaminates areas like Fallujah, with a half-life of millions of years. In effect, sentencing families there to hundreds of thousands of years of genetic deformity and still-births. That is a new low for humanity. Infantile cancer is already up in Iraq by 600%.

The longer the half-life, the less radioactive a compound is. Anything with half lives in the millions of years isn't going to be that bad. It's short half-life compounds that do the damage.

Depleted uranium is pretty bad for you, because it is toxic, like lead, cadmium or mercury, but the radiation from it is too weak to do any harm.

The Scientician

af_thefragile wrote: »

And people will forget about the two wars America waged after that incident and the millions of people who died as a result of it.

Still American lives are worth more and much more important than some poor Iraqi's or Afghan's life.

Which is of zero relevance to the point I was making. I wasn't commenting upon or condoning American actions post-9/11 or saying these lives were more important than the lives of those who died in those wars. I was just pointing out the pretty obvious reason it will be "milked" for years to come.

Beefy78

I think another reason why the anniversary of this particular event is noted more than any other is that it is completely associated with that date. A lot of people couldn't tell you the date when the Berlin Wall fell or when Mother Teresa died. But they could certainly have a stab at guessing when the September 11th terrorist attacks happened.

old hippy

kneemos wrote: »

Bombings are'nt exactly new in London.

True. Neither are terrorist attacks in the US (domestic in particular).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence_in_the_United_States#United_States

old hippy

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Which pricks? The US Govt? The army? The American people?

Beefy78

old hippy wrote: »

Which pricks? The US Govt? The army? The American people?

I can't imagine that any of those have much control over Irish television schedules. Perhaps there's a link between TV3 and the Wars in the Middle East which I wasn't aware of.

Hannibal Barca.

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I found the invasion of Afghanistan more unsettling than the attack on the World Trade Centre. The latter was perpetrated by a terrorist organisation which was seen by the world as a bunch of murderers. The former was perpetrated by the government of the most powerful country in the world and gained the support of many other nations. I found it disturbing that so many Americans (and other nations such as the British) seemed to think killing more innocent people was going to do any good. I remember seeing an American soldier on the news loading a missile into a rocket launcher. He had written something like "this is for the NY Fire Department" on the missile. It didn't seem to dawn on him that he was more than likely going to kill innocent civilians with the missile.

I also remember an article in one of the 'news' papers (possibly The Sun) with the headline 'Kabulseye!'. If they had joked about American victims like that there would have been an uproar but apparently it was acceptable to laugh at the deaths of people in the Middle East.

On the anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan they should show a documentary about that countries victims and their families. The Americans don't have a monopoly on feeling pain and loss and it would be interesting to see things from the other side.

Since when did invading other countries surprise you when it came to the Yankees? From Abraham Lincoln to George Bush, they have always been doing it.

czx

Hannibal Barca. wrote: »

Since when did invading other countries surprise you when it came to the Yankees? From Abraham Lincoln to George Bush, they have always been doing it.

You tell 'em, Hannibal

czx

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Because that never happened

WhatNowForUs?

czx wrote: »

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Because that never happened

Unlike WMD!!!!

Wacker The Attacker

How quickly those 11 years have passed

Overheal

asherbassad wrote: »

You can bet your arse the pricks will never show any documentaries about the hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis and aghans they've butchered since 9/11.

Ammend your post to Hundred thousand [Singular] (600,000 if you believe the lancet study, and ignore every single other study which reports just over ~100,000 deaths) and also with respect to who did what. Wikipedia actually has compiled a quite thorough examination of the casualties in Iraq, and reports from multiple sources and studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

So yeah maybe they should run a documentary about that, then people wouldn't be so flippant about their exaggerated figures. Next thread I read someone will start crying about millions of deaths in the Iraq war...

This data isn't exactly censored, it's readily available.

kippy

Overheal wrote: »

Ammend your post to Hundred thousand [Singular] (600,000 if you believe the lancet study, and ignore every single other study which reports just over ~100,000 deaths) and also with respect to who did what. Wikipedia actually has compiled a quite thorough examination of the casualties in Iraq, and reports from multiple sources and studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

So yeah maybe they should run a documentary about that, then people wouldn't be so flippant about their exaggerated figures. Next thread I read someone will start crying about millions of deaths in the Iraq war...

This data isn't exactly censored, it's readily available.

There are a number of different sources out there and people chose to believe what they want.
However if you chose to believe that figure, even at the low end isn't 100,000 innocent deaths 100,000 innocent deaths that can be avoided?

The lack of availability of unbiased "documentaries" on this side of 9/11 is nothing short of disgraceful.

Overheal

kippy wrote: »

There are a number of different sources out there and people chose to believe what they want.
However if you chose to believe that figure, even at the low end isn't 100,000 innocent deaths 100,000 innocent deaths that can be avoided?

I suppose you could take the mean of the data, but my gut tells me the number is closest to 125,000.

The lack of availability of unbiased "documentaries" on this side of 9/11 is nothing short of disgraceful.

Nolo contendere.

JONJO THE MISER

United 93 on RTE 1 now.

briany

Hannibal Barca. wrote: »

Since when did invading other countries surprise you when it came to the Yankees? From Abraham Lincoln to George Bush, they have always been doing it.

Invasions and war are nothing new in human history, if anything they are an intrinsic part of it. I think what's surprising is that there is/was an idea being sold that taking the fight to Afghanistan would help to rid the world of terrorism, even that getting these people would have any net effect of good and that this idea was bought enough that there was support for it. 11 years later, with many deaths and many casualties, nobody's exactly holding hands, the daughter of the Afghan farmer is not coming back when she was liquified by a grenade, nor is the husband of the 9/11 widow who died as the first plane struck. Quite a waste really and amazing that brave people on both sides go to fight in these things while the people who lead the sides hide far away from the action.

czx

briany wrote: »

Invasions and war are nothing new in human history, if anything they are an intrinsic part of it. I think what's surprising is that there is/was an idea being sold that taking the fight to Afghanistan would help to rid the world of terrorism, even that getting these people would have any net effect of good and that this idea was bought enough that there was support for it. 11 years later, with many deaths and many casualties, nobody's exactly holding hands, the daughter of the Afghan farmer is not coming back when she was liquified by a grenade, nor is the husband of the 9/11 widow who died as the first plane struck. Quite a waste really and amazing that brave people on both sides go to fight in these things while the people who lead the sides hide far away from the action.

Like the Taliban?

WhatNowForUs?

czx wrote: »

briany wrote: »

Invasions and war are nothing new in human history, if anything they are an intrinsic part of it. I think what's surprising is that there is/was an idea being sold that taking the fight to Afghanistan would help to rid the world of terrorism, even that getting these people would have any net effect of good and that this idea was bought enough that there was support for it. 11 years later, with many deaths and many casualties, nobody's exactly holding hands, the daughter of the Afghan farmer is not coming back when she was liquified by a grenade, nor is the husband of the 9/11 widow who died as the first plane struck. Quite a waste really and amazing that brave people on both sides go to fight in these things while the people who lead the sides hide far away from the action.

Like the Taliban?

Your only brave if your a goodie!!

cazzak79

Love that film united 93 was really sad
Ireland has such a close connection to the USA there was quiet a lot of Irish and Irish descendants involved such as the firemen that went up
But thought after the ten year anniversary be left alone but still continues

czx

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

Your only brave if your a goodie!!

Or if you behead people

Aganica

9/11 Is my favorite holiday.

gimli2112

Aganica wrote: »

9/11 Is my favorite holiday.

You can use the money you won on the Nigerian lottery to fly over to NY so!

Aganica

gimli2112 wrote: »

You can use the money you won on the Nigerian lottery to fly over to NY so!

What a great idea! Ill post a picture from Manflatten.


What’s the last thing that went through the minds of the 9/11 jumpers?


Their ankles.

Aganica

Wait i have another....

Why didn’t Superman stop the planes from hitting the Trade Towers?


Because he’s a quadriplegic!

old hippy

czx wrote: »

Like the Taliban?

I seriously doubt anyone on these boards is supporting the Taliban.

BraziliaNZ

I think it's funny how they described the terrorists as cowards. It really would take some balls to pull off a stunt like that while giving up your own life for the cause. It's only as cowardly as using computers to send missiles from carriers really.

old hippy

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I think it's funny how they described the terrorists as cowards. It really would take some balls to pull off a stunt like that while giving up your own life for the cause. It's only as cowardly as using computers to send missiles from carriers really.

I don't see them as brave, though. More delusional. A colleague of mine died in the London attacks which was quite sobering in relation on how one views the people who carry out these actions.

BraziliaNZ

old hippy wrote: »

I don't see them as brave, though. More delusional. A colleague of mine died in the London attacks which was quite sobering in relation on how one views the people who carry out these actions.

I think they're delusional on both sides though, at least when it comes to the Americans

Border-Rat

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

Your only brave if your a goodie!!

You're brave only if you blow up weddings using remote control drones.

czx

Border-Rat wrote: »

You're brave only if you blow up weddings using remote control drones.

Or support the 'RA

Happyman42

czx wrote: »

Or support the 'RA

Or if you swallow obvious propaganda/spin and don't use your own brain?

czx

Happyman42 wrote: »

Or if you swallow obvious propaganda/spin and don't use your own brain?

Ya, I'm just part of the sheeple I guess

Happyman42

czx wrote: »

Ya, I'm just part of the sheeple I guess

If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck....................

czx

Happyman42 wrote: »

If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck....................

At least the enlightened are here to save the day

Happyman42

czx wrote: »

At least the enlightened are here to save the day

I thought they had that done already. :rolleyes: