Public Sector Unions

Japer

kippy wrote: »

I have no doubt that at some stage there will be another cut in public service pay (one way or the other) however it is unlikely that it will be of the magnitude that yourself or others appear to think it will.

Thats because when you give someone, especially a highly unionised public sector workforce something each year, its very hard to take it back off them.
Cowen + co doubled public sector pay + pensions in ten short years...what to do now?
Not that long ago was the controversy about some public servants getting time off ( a half hour no less ) to cash their paycheques ( even though they were paid by direct debit for years ), their half day off for shopping at Christmas etc.
No wonder the country is f****d.

Gloomtastic!

kippy wrote: »

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

36 weeks work at €1000 per week.

36K a year.

And a newly qualified primary school teacher?

18k. Just like any other greenhorn.

kippy

Japer wrote: »

Thats because when you give someone, especially a highly unionised public sector workforce something each year, its very hard to take it back off them.
Cowen + co doubled public sector pay + pensions in ten short years...what to do now?
Not that long ago was the controversy about some public servants getting time off ( a half hour no less ) to cash their paycheques ( even though they were paid by direct debit for years ), their half day off for shopping at Christmas etc.
No wonder the country is f****d.

Back to my original theory. What makes you think that the EU/IMF are about to dictate to the Irish government that Public Sector pay needs to drop by circa 40%?
Have you an inside line on AJ Chopra?

kippy

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

18k. Just like any other greenhorn.

Fair enough.

Obviously you are assuming that social welfare benefits/minium wage etc all come down in line with these adjustments?


And by the way, very few people educated to degree standard, currently start work in the profession they trained for on 18K per annum.

Gloomtastic!

kippy wrote: »

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

18k. Just like any other greenhorn.

Fair enough.

Obviously you are assuming that social welfare benefits/minium wage etc all come down in line with these adjustments?


And by the way, very few people educated to degree standard, currently start work in the profession they trained for on 18K per annum.

When you have an oversupply of applicants looking for work in any particular profession, you can offer whatever you think the market will accept. Unfortunately market and trade unions does not compute.

kippy

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

When you have an oversupply of applicants looking for work in any particular profession, you can offer whatever you think the market will accept. Unfortunately market and trade unions does not compute.

So you're suggesting that those pay rates exist within the current environment.
Interesting.

Gloomtastic!

kippy wrote: »

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

When you have an oversupply of applicants looking for work in any particular profession, you can offer whatever you think the market will accept. Unfortunately market and trade unions does not compute.

So you're suggesting that those pay rates exist within the current environment.
Interesting.

In the private sector yes which is why we have the likes of Jobbridge, unfortunately the public sector is dictated to by the parasitic unions.

However you should sit in the school secretary's office of any primary school in Dublin and witness the 10+ unemployed teachers a day coming in looking for temporary work.

woodoo

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

When you have an oversupply of applicants looking for work in any particular profession, you can offer whatever you think the market will accept. Unfortunately market and trade unions does not compute.

Thats just the sort of thinking that will ensure unions will remain strong in Ireland.

kippy

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

In the private sector yes which is why we have the likes of Jobbridge, unfortunately the public sector is dictated to by the parasitic unions.

However you should sit in the school secretary's office of any primary school in Dublin and witness the 10+ unemployed teachers a day coming in looking for temporary work.

Strangely enough I tried to get a plumber to do some work for me recently. I was expecting this open market type economics you speak of but not one plumber would do the job for less than was "worth their while"

Piste

ejmaztec wrote: »

The main union dealing with the private sector is "The Chocolate Fireguard Union"

Surely a chocolate fireguard would melt?

martingriff

Japer wrote: »

eventually the IMF will cop on that government spending here is still way too high. If you were a taxpayer in those countries bailing us out, would you be happy our public servants are paid and pensioned so much more than their own public servants? Is that sustainable? No. A few years ago our brainy alcoholic waster Brian Cowen paid himself more per year than the leader of the free world, the President of the USa, more than the p.m.'s of UK or France or Germany.....

And they might tell them to cut wages might not say which ones though. And not all PS workers get good wages I would suggest you google them and check them I myself are on less the 25K.

bobbysands81

Japer wrote: »

Thats because when you give someone, especially a highly unionised public sector workforce something each year, its very hard to take it back off them.
Cowen + co doubled public sector pay + pensions in ten short years...what to do now?
Not that long ago was the controversy about some public servants getting time off ( a half hour no less ) to cash their paycheques ( even though they were paid by direct debit for years ), their half day off for shopping at Christmas etc.
No wonder the country is f****d.

If it wasn't for the inordinately high cost of living in this country, driven by private sector greed, then all wages across the board would be much lower.

bobbysands81

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

When you have an oversupply of applicants looking for work in any particular profession, you can offer whatever you think the market will accept. Unfortunately market and trade unions does not compute.

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

In the private sector yes which is why we have the likes of Jobbridge, unfortunately the public sector is dictated to by the parasitic unions.

Conveniently air-brushing the roll of high costs and protected markets in private sector leading to the financial demise of this state.

The private sector historically has been bankrolled by PAYE workers across the public and private sectors be it scrappage schemes for cars, tax breaks for housing development or PPP toll roads.

bobbysands81

kippy wrote: »

Strangely enough I tried to get a plumber to do some work for me recently. I was expecting this open market type economics you speak of but not one plumber would do the job for less than was "worth their while"

Solicitors, Barristers, Sparks, Taxi's, GPs, Dentists, Accountants... the list goes on and on.

Gloomtastic!

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Conveniently air-brushing the roll of high costs and protected markets in private sector leading to the financial demise of this state.

Like the high energy costs from the highly unionised ESB and Bord Gais?

The private sector historically has been bankrolled by PAYE workers across the public and private sectors be it scrappage schemes for cars, tax breaks for housing development or PPP toll roads.

And it's relevance to public sector unions?

Technocentral

kippy wrote: »

What's a realistic wage for a primary school teacher with 15 years of experience?

Much less than the present one, ordinary workers tired of funding the public sector elite's lifestyles and retirement plans.

Spook_ie

kippy wrote: »

Strangely enough I tried to get a plumber to do some work for me recently. I was expecting this open market type economics you speak of but not one plumber would do the job for less than was "worth their while"

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Solicitors, Barristers, Sparks, Taxi's, GPs, Dentists, Accountants... the list goes on and on.

and why the hell would anybody in a self employed business as all those you listed are, do a job for less than "worth their while"?

Regardless of what the job is there is a cut off point where it isn't worth it, it's called economic sense

Gurgle

kippy wrote:

What's a realistic wage for a primary school teacher with 15 years of experience?

Technocentral wrote: »

Much less than the present one

Which is how much?

And since you don't know basic facts like this, how do feel justified in grouping this teacher in with

Technocentral wrote: »

the public sector elite

rod flanders

Public Sector Unions are a bunch of 'Yes' men. From next March I have to work an extra 3 minutes per day.