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Glastonbury 2013

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    #572
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


    Manc-Red wrote: »
    Ah we're all entitled to our opinions, but at 16ish they were very exciting live - spot on & flawless.

    A lot to be said in a world of music that's plastic & manufactured to f*ck.

    Good for them I say.
    Not really when we've got forward-thinking artists like The Knife and Boards of Canada.


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    #573
    Mick Murdock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    Catmologen wrote: »
    Id say they'll be mad to...

    Didn't see that coming..

    Good one.


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    #574
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    Definitely not cool cats like you..

    If you don't set out to be the biggest band in the world, you're wasting your time.


    Indie is for idiots.
    You don't listen to a wide variety of music do you? :)

    I would say if you're not going out there to make the music you WANT to make regardless of whether it makes you an a-list or z-list artist then you are wasting your time. It's not art otherwise.


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    #575
    mutley18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭mutley18


    I love Haim. That is all.


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    #576
    Mick Murdock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    You make that assumption, why?

    I don't listen to music for the sake of it. I don't listen to music to impress people.

    If you are genuinely artistic, you would strive to be the best at what you do. Bumming about playing to a bunch of students doesn't mean you are indie or alternative, in most cases it just means you are too average to be mainstream.

    Almost every succeasful band nowadays starts out like that. They're all tryin to get to the same place though.


    Anything else is just window dressing.. Punk rock was alternative. 'Indie' music isn't.


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    #577
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    You make that assumption, why?

    I don't listen to music for the sake of it. I don't listen to music to impress people.

    If you are genuinely artistic, you would strive to be the best at what you do. Bumming about playing to a bunch of students doesn't mean you are indie or alternative, in most cases it just means you are too average to be mainstream.

    Almost every succeasful band nowadays starts out like that. They're all tryin to get to the same place though.


    Anything else is just window dressing.. Punk rock was alternative. 'Indie' music isn't.
    You are right in saying you should be the best at what you do. But being the best at what you do isn't necessarily going to get you mainstream attention mainly because of WHAT you do. You could be the best death metal band in the world but you're hardly going to bother the top of the charts because you're not going to appeal to the average music fan.

    Not quite sure where you are going with the whole indie thing as 'indie' and 'alternative' basically mean the same thing. Punk rock is seen by many as the start of the DIY movement so you could say that punk gave birth to the modern idea of independent music.


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    #578
    Rothko
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    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    You make that assumption, why?

    I don't listen to music for the sake of it. I don't listen to music to impress people.

    If you are genuinely artistic, you would strive to be the best at what you do. Bumming about playing to a bunch of students doesn't mean you are indie or alternative, in most cases it just means you are too average to be mainstream.

    Almost every succeasful band nowadays starts out like that. They're all tryin to get to the same place though.


    Anything else is just window dressing.. Punk rock was alternative. 'Indie' music isn't.

    I would say that Sonic Youth were never mainstream but I definitely wouldn't call them average. I'd say the same about Can.


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    #579
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


    Suas11 wrote: »
    I would say that Sonic Youth were never mainstream but I definitely wouldn't call them average. I'd say the same about Can.
    Well they did appear in The Simpsons, but Sonic Youth were awesome no matter what.

    So.. Glastonbury eh? Some craic :)


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    #580
    Mick Murdock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    SilverScreen wrote: »
    You are right in saying you should be the best at what you do. But being the best at what you do isn't necessarily going to get you mainstream attention mainly because of WHAT you do. You could be the best death metal band in the world but you're hardly going to bother the top of the charts because you're not going to appeal to the average music fan.

    Not quite sure where you are going with the whole indie thing as 'indie' and 'alternative' basically mean the same thing. Punk rock is seen by many as the start of the DIY movement so you could say that punk gave birth to the modern idea of independent music.

    But Death Metal is shít. It's for a select group of morons and that's why it isn't mainstream and never could be.

    I was making the point that punk was genuinely out there and alternative to mainstream music and culture. Indie/Alternative (don't like or understand the boundaries of either of those terms) is another word for unsigned music as far as I can tell.

    Pretty much every band wants to be mainstream.. There isn't really a movement of alternative music. Just undiscovered bands.


    Maybe I'm wrong, but just don't get it. You made some good points anyway. Untimately, we just have different tastes and will probably never agree.


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    #581
    mutley18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭mutley18


    Yawn.


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    #582
    Rothko
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    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    But Death Metal is shít. It's for a select group of morons and that's why it isn't mainstream and never could be.

    Really? People are morons just because they like a different genre of music?


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    #583
    SilverScreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭SilverScreen


    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    But Death Metal is shít. It's for a select group of morons and that's why it isn't mainstream and never could be.

    I was making the point that punk was genuinely out there and alternative to mainstream music and culture. Indie/Alternative (don't like or understand the boundaries of either of those terms) is another word for unsigned music as far as I can tell.

    Pretty much every band wants to be mainstream.. There isn't really a movement of alternative music. Just undiscovered bands.


    Maybe I'm wrong, but just don't get it. You made some good points anyway. Untimately, we just have different tastes and will probably never agree.
    Now you're just making sweeping generalisations. I'm not the biggest death metal fan but there are some bands that I think are amazing musicians and I genuinly enjoy. If it's not your bag then that's okay, but it deserves a lot more than being music for "morons".

    Indie is a loose term used for non-major label artists, signed to smaller independent labels or even unsigned. Again I'm not quite sure where you are going as I can think of quite a lot of indie bands who have released music over the past 30 years who were more out-there than The Sex Pistols.

    How do you know that every band wants to be mainstream? Have you asked them all? There's no real answer to that but I'd imagine quite a lot of bands would rather settle for underground success and a cult following


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    #584
    Mick Murdock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    mutley18 wrote: »
    Yawn.

    Oh no, I bored another internet nerd.

    Will leave it up to you to say something interesting..


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    #585
    Tinie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭Tinie


    Give it a rest mick please ya grump.


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    #586
    Mick Murdock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    SilverScreen wrote: »
    Now you're just making sweeping generalisations. I'm not the biggest death metal fan but there are some bands that I think are amazing musicians and I genuinly enjoy. If it's not your bag then that's okay, but it deserves a lot more than being music for "morons".

    Indie is a loose term used for non-major label artists, signed to smaller independent labels or even unsigned. Again I'm not quite sure where you are going as I can think of quite a lot of indie bands who have released music over the past 30 years who were more out-there than The Sex Pistols.

    How do you know that every band wants to be mainstream? Have you asked them all? There's no real answer to that but I'd imagine quite a lot of bands would rather settle for underground success and a cult following

    I was talking about the punk movement, rather than the status of the bands. Punks were leftfield of mainstream culture.

    Disagree with everything you said. No point in debating this further so I'll bow out here.


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    #587
    mutley18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭mutley18


    Mick Murdock wrote: »
    Oh no, I bored another internet nerd.

    Will leave it up to you to say something interesting..

    Goodnight Mick. Long live The Strypes. X


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    #588
    Darius.Tr
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    I actually thought The Strypes did fairly well. Even though they wouldn't be my first choice to listen to, I actually liked some of their songs. Considering their age they have nowhere to go but up.
    I wish them good luck.


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    #589
    Ruudi_Mentari
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    Manc-Red wrote: »
    Arctic Monkeys were tight last night, I'm not really a fan though tbh, weird front-man or is it just me?

    Yeah was that it - felt distant or not very involving, great players though but tricky balance I guess

    and didn't they play the same slot last time too. same vibe


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    #590
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    So the Stones blocked about an hour and a half from being screened live at Glasto last night.

    I was thinking an hour was a bit crap until I read about it this morning.


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    #591
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »
    Yeah was that it - felt distant or not very involving, great players though but tricky balance I guess

    and didn't they play the same slot last time too. same vibe

    He looked a bit up his own ar*e I felt, the hair & cabaret voice just looked completely out of place to the rest of the lads.


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    #592
    lertsnim
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    Manc-Red wrote: »
    So the Stones blocked about an hour and a half from being screened live at Glasto last night.

    I was thinking an hour was a bit crap until I read about it this morning.

    Shame they restricted it. I thought it was a great show.


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    #593
    corm500
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    Shame they restricted it. I thought it was a great show.

    Agreed. I wonder if we will ever see the full show. I would be surprised if the Beeb didnt film the whole thing.


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    #594
    lertsnim
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    Might get a DVD release. I know Muse did when they headlined during their Absolution tour.


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    #595
    A V A
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    i thought the stones were terrible last night , thought they were boring and bland, to much hype was surrounding this gig


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    #596
    Bowlardo
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    A V A wrote: »
    i thought the stones were terrible last night , thought they were boring and bland, to much hype was surrounding this gig

    I thought the crowd were bad to be honest...or is that just me?


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    #597
    Wrongway1985
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    A V A wrote: »
    i thought the stones were terrible last night , thought they were boring and bland, to much hype was surrounding this gig

    Agree, dont get me wrong could enjoy some of it from me armchair but find it hard to believe people forkin out hundreds to see them at their own gigs in this state.


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    #598
    Stereomaniac
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    I went to see The Rolling Stones the last time they were here, in Slane in 2007 and they were amazing. I didn't watch last night's gig, but I can only say that in my experience, it's phenomenal.


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    #599
    Wrongway1985
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    Stereomaniac wrote: »
    I went to see The Rolling Stones the last time they were here, in Slane in 2007 and they were amazing. I didn't watch last night's gig, but I can only say that in my experience, it's phenomenal.

    I was at that gig too twas good alright certainly miles ahead of last nights show.


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    #600
    Stereomaniac
    Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Well last night's gig isn't going to offend or upset me because I didn't pay for a ticket to it anyway.


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    #601
    Looper007
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    A V A wrote: »
    i thought the stones were terrible last night , thought they were boring and bland, to much hype was surrounding this gig

    It's The Stones cause they be hyped. It's the greatest rock n roll band in the world. I do think it wasn't clearly their best show cause they ain't playing for a Stones only crowd. Plus a lot of people were standing around there for hours, jumping up and down would be the last thing on their mind. It wasn't a disaster but it did the job.


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