Freemen of waterford

Premier

Can anyone tell me whats it all about? took a look at their website and seems to be some sort of legal stuff regarding banking etc,

haulagebasher

Do a search for "freemen" on the fourum. You will quickly see that it's a load of horse shíte dreamt up by eejits. Claim it's OK to drive around with no tax or insurance and then abuse Guards and Judges. One idiot in particular going by the name Bobby or the Family Sludds got rightly banged up by the courts for spouting this "freeman" shít. I seriously hope you are not thinking of being taken in by it - don't it's a rediculous cult that will land you in serious trouble.

Cabaal

Bunch of loonies is what they are,

Thankfully the courts think little of such crap and will deal with such idiots accordingly
https://www.emergencyservicesforum.com/showthread.php?tid=3043

Spotted a very interesting and correct post by a user on the thejournal.ie

If the logic of Freeman on the Land is, in fact, correct – that is, an “Act of Government [which] only carries the force of law upon you if you consent to it… a statutory instrument is a contract.” Then you are free to legally do the following:

Rape a woman – Criminal Law (Rape) Act, 1981 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1981/en/act/pub/0010/sec0002.html#sec2)

Have sexual intercourse or bugger a child under 15 – Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2006(http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2006/a1506.pdf)

Commit incest – Punishment of Incest Act, 1908 & Criminal Law (Incest Proceedings) Act, 1995 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1995/en/act/pub/0012/index.html)

Conduct child trafficking and/or pornography – Child Trafficking and Pornography Act, 1998 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1998/en/act/pub/0022/index.html)

But that’s right. YOU didn’t consent to these laws being forced upon your “free man”, so you don’t have to abide by these government tricks

Source: Oisín O'Neill
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-ignore-the-conspiracy-theories-the-household-charge-must-be-paid-370964-Mar2012/

old gregg

if they were called the Merry Freemen I'd join, otherwise not.

kittymiss

i fear this group are totally confusing themselves with the real waterford freemen,or just robbing the name....
http://waterfordireland.tripod.com/freedom_of_the_city.htm

they should of stuck to "occupy waterford " it suited them better...

angry_fox

I was reading about this group in the court section of the Munster Express this week. A member of the "Freemen of Waterford" was in court having been arrested on foot of a bench warrant. He was "passively" non-compliant and refused to identify himself when arrested. When he was before the court he refused to recognise the court.

The scamp was released on bail to appear at Waterford District Court on the 22nd September. So he recognised the court to sign the bail bond, recognise his signature on the bond to the judge and not go to jail for his belief that he is Freeman. The coward

bradknowell

Bunch of Muppets the lot of them. One of the girls I know was telling me her friend is going to court for thousands of euros of unpaid traffic/driving/parking fines and is going to try this freeman bullshet.
They don't subscribe to our laws etc but don't mind claiming the dole with the name they won't accept in court. Load of bollox really.

LuckyFinigan

From what I can tell their just a bunch of crustys with a extreme sense of entitlement.

colossus-x

It's extremely embarrassing this new 'Cult' idea. I say that because I know someone who I would describe as a 'hippy'. He's a very nice guy...but...he lives in fantasy-land most of the time. The thing about him is he is so so so tight about money. And when I say tight I mean extremely tight. I told him the other day I was in Harvey Normans and they had a basket of cheap phones because I knew he was looking for a new phone. He said to me 'can you just go in there and take a phone from the basket?' . I said ermmmm no that's not how it works they are just cheap phones so he said to me he was going to go to a charity shop and he would put his broken phone into the basket in the charity shop and he would take a phone out.


Actually it's a good question? Does anyone here know anyone like that. He's really nice guy, quite intellectual -yeah he smokes a pipe - I don't. But I'm extremely embarrassed by him. His life seem's to be ruled by how many coins he has in his pocket. He does have a good job. He doesn't seem to want to depart with a even a copper. I think he's into this freemen stuff as well. Im sure he's only into it because he's extraordinarily tight and he's trying to disguise it by being a hippy. Doe's anyone else have mates like that. I really don't know what to do with him.

tankbarry

to be honest I think there mad when you go into a court you should be respectful at all times. Even if you are acting the bollix in there show some respect and they should show respect to you. I just had a look at it and some of there stuff is just crap but some of there stuff actually works. At the moment I know people in dispute with there mortgage providers and it is extremely hard to get any answers out of them but by keeping at them and sending them letters asking serious questions they have to reply. I am part of debtoptions and I can guarantee you that we don't use the ideas of the Freeman movement. On primetime the other night they made it out that debtoptions was part of Charlie Allen's Trust and that they use Freeman ideas this couldn't be further from the truth.


Debtoptions always acts lawfully and respectfully

LuckyFinigan

colossus-x wrote: »

Actually it's a good question? Does anyone here know anyone like that. He's really nice guy, quite intellectual -yeah he smokes a pipe - I don't. But I'm extremely embarrassed by him. His life seem's to be ruled by how many coins he has in his pocket. He does have a good job. He doesn't seem to want to depart with a even a copper. I think he's into this freemen stuff as well. Im sure he's only into it because he's extraordinarily tight and he's trying to disguise it by being a hippy. Doe's anyone else have mates like that. I really don't know what to do with him.

I've come across a few people like that, some are grand in that they have strong beliefs and ideals but won't say anything unless someone sets them off. Then there's the ones that are just so up their own hole they don't know when to shut up and try force their ideas down other peoples throats. It depends how bad the chap is really.

Finnbar01

Cabaal wrote: »

Bunch of loonies is what they are,

Thankfully the courts think little of such crap and will deal with such idiots accordingly
https://www.emergencyservicesforum.com/showthread.php?tid=3043

Spotted a very interesting and correct post by a user on the thejournal.ie



Source: Oisín O'Neill
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-ignore-the-conspiracy-theories-the-household-charge-must-be-paid-370964-Mar2012/

That article is píss poor.

0rt

the freemen of waterford were around since before the occupy movement started in town...
Other than that, i see some of the arguments they use are handy, things like delving into mortgates and debts.. to be fair, if you take a lend of money etc.. you agreed to pay it back, so pay it back.. Theres no honour in robbing.

But ive seen some stuff that worked amazingly, the mortgage store sold off their contracts to tsb when they went bust.
TSB upped the rates and demanded payment.
The freemen pointed out that you need to sign a contract to be in a legal bind, and there was no contract between TSB and the Mortgage Stores customers.. it would never stand up in court.

But then again, ive heard them talk about lizard people and all sorts of silly crap as well.

wellboytoo

Change the title to Free loaders.

Media999

Any examples of stuff that actually worked or is it all pikey nonsense?

Finnbar01

Media999 wrote: »

Any examples of stuff that actually worked or is it all pikey nonsense?

It doesn't work. I joined up to one of their internet sites and was banned a total of three times just for asking 'awkward' questions about their techniques, oh and that little thing called evidence to prove their freeman stuff works.

Here's the thing about them as well. If they go to court and lose, to them that's a win because it just proves to them that the judge is in on the whole conspiracy against them.

For Forks Sake

Media999 wrote: »

Any examples of stuff that actually worked or is it all pikey nonsense?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes

For Forks Sake

tankbarry wrote: »

Debtoptions always acts lawfully and respectfully

debtoptions are well known to be associated with Ben Gilroy and his freeman bullsh1t. Nice long thread here, stuff relating to debtoptions is on the more recent pages

Media999

For Forks Sake wrote: »

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes

Ill take that as a no so.

Darren Pollard gets arrested again after refusing to appear in court despite trying to claim that he was "Darren of the family Pollard" and not the legal fiction of Darren Pollard they were looking for.

James-Michael: Tesi arrested. After refusing to pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt, he flooded the court with woo-woo documents basically refusing to pay. The court ignored this, and issued an arrest warrant. A police officer pulled him over, which resulted in gunfire and Tesi being wounded.

Up2NoGood

haulagebasher wrote: »

Do a search for "freemen" on the fourum. You will quickly see that it's a load of horse shíte dreamt up by eejits. Claim it's OK to drive around with no tax or insurance and then abuse Guards and Judges. One idiot in particular going by the name Bobby or the Family Sludds got rightly banged up by the courts for spouting this "freeman" shít. I seriously hope you are not thinking of being taken in by it - don't it's a rediculous cult that will land you in serious trouble.

What a tool boi!!

junca

If you guys have not copped on to the fact that the state is RAPING YOU left right and centre and that the politicians are literally OWNED by THE BANKS AND CORPORATIONS and that movements such as the freemen are trying to expose the system for what it is ... then you deserve to go down with it , cause down it will go! There is no recovery and this system will crash. The Eites are sucking the wealth and resources from all the countries and the gap is getting ever larger, they are destroying the middle class utterly, in fact it 's already dead on it's feet and are planning to bring in a neo fudalist world, i kidd you not. The whole monetary system is based on criminal usury. Go google the federal reserve monetary system. These are private banks issuing money into existence and then charging interrest on it which they do not create, it is bound to go tits up in the end and they've been at it for some time. You ought to do more research instead of slagging people off who try and fight back or are you happy to be bugggered literally by your government.

junca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHKdxAVW-_U&feature=share

i suggest you all watch this in FULL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

Cabaal

junca wrote: »

If you guys have not copped on to the fact that the state is RAPING YOU left right and centre and that the politicians are literally OWNED by THE BANKS AND CORPORATIONS and that movements such as the freemen are trying to expose the system for what it is ... then you deserve to go down with it , cause down it will go! There is no recovery and this system will crash. The Eites are sucking the wealth and resources from all the countries and the gap is getting ever larger, they are destroying the middle class utterly, in fact it 's already dead on it's feet and are planning to bring in a neo fudalist world, i kidd you not. The whole monetary system is based on criminal usury. Go google the federal reserve monetary system. These are private banks issuing money into existence and then charging interrest on it which they do not create, it is bound to go tits up in the end and they've been at it for some time. You ought to do more research instead of slagging people off who try and fight back or are you happy to be bugggered literally by your government.

Can I ask, what does all this tinfoil hat nonsense have to do with freeman idiots breaking the law?

- Not wearing a seatbelt, can very easily cause the death of somebody else
- driving without insurance, ever been hit by a uninsured driver?
- Not paying tax, ah ok so its ok to use health, roads, education etc but you don't actually want to pay for them? It's ok to let everyone else pay for stuff you use though yeah?

Your anger is misdirected and is merely being used as an excuse to break the law with no regard for everybody else.

wellboytoo

junca wrote: »

If you guys have not copped on to the fact that the state is RAPING YOU left right and centre and that the politicians are literally OWNED by THE BANKS AND CORPORATIONS and that movements such as the freemen are trying to expose the system for what it is ... then you deserve to go down with it , cause down it will go! There is no recovery and this system will crash. The Eites are sucking the wealth and resources from all the countries and the gap is getting ever larger, they are destroying the middle class utterly, in fact it 's already dead on it's feet and are planning to bring in a neo fudalist world, i kidd you not. The whole monetary system is based on criminal usury. Go google the federal reserve monetary system. These are private banks issuing money into existence and then charging interrest on it which they do not create, it is bound to go tits up in the end and they've been at it for some time. You ought to do more research instead of slagging people off who try and fight back or are you happy to be bugggered literally by your government.

Scary very scary... you I mean poster, testiculating I believe is the term.

S28382

I laughed so hard when i read Junca's post im sorry it was funny. Do you think that the so called freemen are going to inspire a revolution? I dont think so i think we all know ye are trying to make some sort of statement by objecting to everything but at the best of times all is going on is stall tactics and pure nonsense.

catastrophy

I'm always amused by the way these freeloaders are perfectly happy to participate in acquiring material wealth, conveniently ignoring their principles when it suits. If they are so sure of their cause why don't they live outside the supports of the state?

tankbarry

debtoptions are well known to be associated with Ben Gilroy and his freeman bullsh1t. Nice long thread here, stuff relating to debtoptions is on the more recent pages

I am part of debtoptions a year now and I have never seen Ben Gilroy get involved with us. I have talked to Ben but that was about political issues involving DDI, debtoptions never came up in the conversation.

ezra_pound

tankbarry wrote: »

I am part of debtoptions a year now and I have never seen Ben Gilroy get involved with us. I have talked to Ben but that was about political issues involving DDI, debtoptions never came up in the conversation.

are u in ddi continuity, the provo ddi or the real ddi? If Ben gilroy spoke to you but you never mentioned debtoptions does that mean that you have no connection with it even though you've been involved about a year?

If you close your eyes ao that you can't see your mama does that mean your mama can't see you?

robtri

I always love the way these freeman refuse to answer the courts saying thats not my name crap, but are are quite happy to use it and sign that name when collecting their welfare check

wellboytoo

robtri wrote: »

I always love the way these freeman refuse to answer the courts saying thats not my name crap, but are are quite happy to use it and sign that name when collecting their welfare check

I want all my rights but none of the responsibility's .