Euro 2016 qualification

Speak Now · 18-10-2015 10:52am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Worst possible draw. . . .They're far better than us

They're extremely average, just like us. Watched their last game against Cyprus thinking they wouldn't be the worst draw for us. 50/50 game and with the way MON sets up we should be well in the tie for the return leg.

Collie D · 18-10-2015 10:53am

Originally wanted either Bosnia or Hungary with the latter the preferance but more I think of it more worried I am...although that's just my nature. Bosnia started poorly but changed manager four games in and results improved. A team on the up

irishmover · 18-10-2015 10:53am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Losing 2-1 is better than 0-0???

Probably as bad as each other really. Not getting an away goal makes the home tie tough, losing the first leg makes the second leg tough.

Speak Now · 18-10-2015 10:54am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Losing 2-1 is better than 0-0???

Yeah away goals count double so it's a 2-2 draw in reality lol!

dogcat · 18-10-2015 10:54am

Berserker wrote: »

Why are we not at home in the first leg? I thought the seeded teams had got the second leg at home.

No. Who played who was randomly decided in a draw.

Collie D · 18-10-2015 10:54am

Alex Meier wrote: »

What?

Cannot take criticism?

Criticism, yes. An unfounded, unreasoned "We're out" is not criticism

Berserker · 18-10-2015 10:55am

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

They're extremely average, just like us. Watched their last game against Cyprus thinking they wouldn't be the worst draw for us. 50/50 game and with the way MON sets up we should be well in the tie for the return leg.

And if they watched our game against Poland away they would be thinking the exact same thing. We created very, very little in that game. Ditto for many of our games in the group.

Mushy · 18-10-2015 10:55am

Berserker wrote: »

Why are we not at home in the first leg? I thought the seeded teams had got the second leg at home. Bad news is that there will only be 800 or so tickets for the away leg.

No it was whoever comes out of the pot first.

The_B_Man · 18-10-2015 10:56am

Do their defenders plat at a high level?
Just trying to work out how effective Keane will be, in case Long is still injured.

Laois_Man · 18-10-2015 10:56am

Besic of Everton is suspended for the first leg

briany · 18-10-2015 10:56am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Losing 2-1 is better than 0-0???

For Ireland, I'm thinking it would be. A goal deficit in the second leg would make Ireland be proactive, and a single goal would put them through on away goals. Coming into the second leg with a 0-0, though, and get ready to witness one of the most cagey, defensive, and overall nerve-wracking displays of your life.

Alex Meier · 18-10-2015 10:57am

Collie D wrote: »

Criticism, yes. An unfounded, unreasoned "We're out" is not criticism

Maybe a conclusion like that can bee reached when they have players like Ibisevic, Dzeko Begovic, Salihovic and we have players like Glenn Whelan.

They've underachieved and should have qualified directly.

They were the best seeded team by far of the four seeded teams.

IrishKev · 18-10-2015 10:57am

Happy enough with that, 2nd best team to draw IMO. Pity we were so close to getting Hungary but a home leg last makes up for it... COYBIG

briany · 18-10-2015 10:59am

Even if the team fails to get past Bosnia, we can always take comfort in the fact that it's still further than Scotland got.

IrishKev · 18-10-2015 11:01am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Maybe a conclusion like that can bee reached when they have players like Ibisevic, Dzeko Begovic, Salihovic and we have players like Glenn Whelan.

They've underachieved and should have qualified directly.

They were the best seeded team by far of the four seeded teams.

You're talking pish mate, prefer Dzeko to Yarmolenko any day, this crowd can be beaten

Patser · 18-10-2015 11:01am

Did the draw also determine dates, or is that a TV thing.

murpho999 · 18-10-2015 11:01am

Bridge93 wrote: »

Could've been worse with Sweden and Ukraine. Even some of the unseeded teams like Turkey and Denmark would have worried me more had we been seeded. If we're good enough we will beat this lot

I don't know why you were worried about Turkey as they weren't in the draw being automatic qualifiers. :pac:

It think we got one of the best draws we could get. Bosnia are no great shakes, neither are we but it's all down to O'Neill's tactics now which will probably be negative and avoid defeat driven first.

Speak Now · 18-10-2015 11:02am

Berserker wrote: »

And if they watched our game against Poland away they would be thinking the exact same thing. We created very, very little in that game. Ditto for many of our games in the group.

I did say average like us.

ricero · 18-10-2015 11:03am

Pjanic will make a show of our midfield. Think were toast unless we can get a draw in Bosnia. Lose over there and its to big a task to turn them over at home imo

Berserker · 18-10-2015 11:04am

briany wrote: »

Even if the team fails to get past Bosnia, we can always take comfort in the fact that it's still further than Scotland got.

But not as a far as NI.:D

Mushy wrote: »

No it was whoever comes out of the pot first.

Just checked Sky and we are away first leg. Thought the seeded teams were home for the second leg myself. You sure it went by the order of when you came out of the pot?

Mushy · 18-10-2015 11:06am

Berserker wrote: »

Just checked Sky and we are away first leg. Thought the seeded teams were home for the second leg myself. You sure it went by the order of when you came out of the pot?

Yeah, they had three bowls. One pot of seeded, one of unseeded. They'd pick ball out of each, then place into empty pot. Then first team out is at home first leg. So Bosnia came out first, so they at home first leg, away second ie. us at home second.

dixiefly · 18-10-2015 11:06am

briany wrote: »

0-0 gives the advantage to Bosnia, I feel. You'd want to be coming out of the away game with something, even losing 2-1 puts you in a strong position, provided you can get on the front foot at home.

How can you think that losing 2-1 in the first leg could ever be better than a 0-0 draw?:eek:

Collie D · 18-10-2015 11:06am

Berserker wrote: »

Just checked Sky and we are away first leg. Thought the seeded teams were home for the second leg myself. You sure it went by the order of when you came out of the pot?

100% we'll be in Zenica on Thurs/Fri/Sat 12th-14th and home the Sunday to Tuesday.

Small stadium...Irish allocation will be less than a thousand. Saved me a few quid I suppose. No way the FAI are going to fairly allocate those tickets.

fyfe79 · 18-10-2015 11:06am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Maybe a conclusion like that can bee reached when they have players like Ibisevic, Dzeko Begovic, Salihovic and we have players like Glenn Whelan.

They've underachieved and should have qualified directly.

They were the best seeded team by far of the four seeded teams.

Lucky for us then that Bosnia are world beaters - we took 4 points from the world champions so we've a chance, do you not think? If anything, if people are under-estimating Bosnia and they're as good as you say, then you should feel that we have a better chance against them than one of the weaker teams, simply because we raise our game against better sides?

Berserker · 18-10-2015 11:08am

Collie D wrote: »

Small stadium...Irish allocation will be less than a thousand. Saved me a few quid I suppose. No way the FAI are going to fairly allocate those tickets.

800 tickets. We were talking about it and we reckon there will be less than 50 tickets for independent travellers. It'll be a certain FAI affiliated travel agent or bust so. Will see how much it costs. They will probably only get 80 tickets or so themselves. They only brought 70 to Warsaw and the trip was dreadful by all accounts; Ryanair flight and a poor three star hotel 2km outside the centre of Warsaw for €550 pps.

cson · 18-10-2015 11:09am

A ball hasn't been kicked yet and we're out. :rolleyes:

The lot saying that will be the first on the boat to France too if we qualify. Some Irish followers are infuriating. And yeah; you're a follower and not a supporter if you're taking that line of narrative.

To the lad saying Pjanic will murder us - surely Ozil, Kroos and Gotze would have done the same? They're far far superior players.

Berserker · 18-10-2015 11:12am

cson wrote: »

To the lad saying Pjanic will murder us - surely Ozil, Kroos and Gotze would have done the same? They're far far superior players.

They did, they just failed to put the ball in the net. They had over 70% of the possession that night. I think we have a fair chance myself but I am worried about having the home leg second. Would have preferred to go out there second.

Alex Meier · 18-10-2015 11:12am

Get over the four points v Germany - The germans treated us with kid gloves.

We won at home but they completely DOMINATED which, of course, is no shame.

Play Off matches take on a different level & intensity than group stage matches.

It's all O'Neills fault in anyway. . . If we hadn't lost in Poland we would have been seeded in this draw.

briany · 18-10-2015 11:19am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Get over the four points v Germany - The germans treated us with kid gloves.

We won at home but they completely DOMINATED which, of course, is no shame.

Play Off matches take on a different level & intensity than group stage matches.

It's all O'Neills fault in anyway. . . If we hadn't lost in Poland we would have been seeded in this draw.

This is something I noticed between Ireland's last two group games. The German players stood off the Irish defenders and let them kick it out. The Polish players harried Irish defenders when in possession of the ball and forced chances out of it. The Germans allowed the Irish defence to maintain shape whereas the Polish didn't. I think it's a weakness that the Bosnians will look to exploit. The Herzegovinians may be more laid back about it, though.

fyfe79 · 18-10-2015 11:21am

I'm well aware of Ireland's limitations and I'd put our chances against Bosnia as 50:50 or maybe even 40:60 in their favour but to suggest they're much better than us is wrong. They may be a little better than us but that's it. The tie is far from a foregone conclusion.

Peppa Pig · 18-10-2015 11:22am

Alex Meier wrote: »

Get over the four points v Germany - The germans treated us with kid gloves.

We won at home but they completely DOMINATED which, of course, is no shame.

Play Off matches take on a different level & intensity than group stage matches.

It's all O'Neills fault in anyway. . . If we hadn't lost in Poland we would have been seeded in this draw.

Are you Eamon Dunphy?

Ferris_Bueller · 18-10-2015 11:28am

Ukraine would have been the worst draw and Hungary would have been the best, can't decide if I would have preferred Sweden or Bosnia but with the second leg at home I think we can be happy enough with that draw. They have some good players though, will be a very tough game. Dzeko will cause problems I'm sure and wouldn't be surprised to see him get a goal over the two legs.

We were on the unseeded side of the draw so the opposition were always likely to be slight favourites but we have a chance here and if we perform over the two matches there is no reason why we can't go to France. Both teams will probably fancy their chances a bit, the next few weeks should be exciting. Just hope that Shane Long is back in time for the games!

aindriu80 · 18-10-2015 11:35am

Come on we have a good chance but lets be realistic, Ireland rarely do the business when things could really take off. We put other teams under pressure sometimes but it feels like this team and manager has to be put under pressure (like after the 7-1 humiliation from Germany)

jaykay74 · 18-10-2015 11:40am

The dates of the fixtures...

Norway v Hungary: 12 & 15 November
Bosnia and Herzegovina v Republic of Ireland: 13 & 16 November
Ukraine v Slovenia: 14 & 17 November
Sweden v Denmark: 14 & 17 November

Jelle1880 · 18-10-2015 11:43am

After Hungary probably the best chance Ireland have of making the Euros.

pmasterson95 · 18-10-2015 11:46am

This whole "dominated" the game is such ****e from wannabe Dunphys. I dont care if Bosnia have 99% possesion. If we get 1 goal more than them we won regardless of possesion/pretty factor. The sooner people get over this tiki taka boner the better. Possession has never won a match. Didnt Celtic beat Barca with 11% possession?

Speak Now · 18-10-2015 11:46am

Meh...Monday night home leg.

Dots1982 · 18-10-2015 11:53am

Hard to get a grasp of Bosnia from their results on Soccerway. No consistency like you see with the Irish team.

Some very bad results, losing 3 nil in Israel and 2-1 at home to cyprus while some good results, beating Wales and drawing with Belguim at home.

Sometimes they get a nil all, sometimes they win 3-2. Hard to know what they can bring to this.

Berserker · 18-10-2015 11:57am

pmasterson95 wrote: »

This whole "dominated" the game is such ****e from wannabe Dunphys.

It has nothing to do with being a wannabe whoever. People who talk about possession tend to be people who actually played the game to a decent level and/or people who really understand the game. You might get away with fluking a win now and again when you are dominated in terms of possession but you will lose out more often than not.

ShamoBuc · 18-10-2015 12:05pm

We could have got Ukraine, we didn't. We could have got Sweden and IBRA, we didn't after that Bosnia and the worst team Hungary. 3rd best team from 4 or second worst. Very happy with the draw. It really could have been a lot worse. By the crime we play, the state of injuries and suspended players will be clearer which will make a huge difference. As will the first 11 that get picked - who knows what that will look like.
I am confident we have enough to go through over 2 legs.

pmasterson95 · 18-10-2015 12:17pm

Berserker wrote: »

It has nothing to do with being a wannabe whoever. People who talk about possession tend to be people who actually played the game to a decent level and/or people who really understand the game. You might get away with fluking a win now and again when you are dominated in terms of possession but you will lose out more often than not.

Those people need to understand the basics. Its goals that win games. The winning sides in England averaged just over 50%. And stats from the A League one year showed the team that had more possesion tended to loose. If you simply use the ball well when when you have it you win.

monkey9 · 18-10-2015 12:21pm

Happy enough with the draw. I would have preferred Hungary, but Bosnia is not too bad. Once we avoided Sweden and Ukraine and it was then a matter of it being Bosnia or Hungary, i was happy.

Great as well that the second leg is in Dublin. Hopefully we don't lose the plot over there and that we keep it alive for the Lansdowne showdown. Looking forward to it now.

Alex Meier · 18-10-2015 12:39pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Those people need to understand the basics. Its goals that win games. The winning sides in England averaged just over 50%. And stats from the A League one year showed the team that had more possesion tended to loose. If you simply use the ball well when when you have it you win.

So hoof the ball up to the penalty area so. . .

Where are the links for your stats?

ush · 18-10-2015 12:40pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

This whole "dominated" the game is such ****e from wannabe Dunphys. I dont care if Bosnia have 99% possesion. If we get 1 goal more than them we won regardless of possesion/pretty factor. The sooner people get over this tiki taka boner the better. Possession has never won a match. Didnt Celtic beat Barca with 11% possession?

Yeah, bring back Trap!

Bowlardo · 18-10-2015 12:41pm

I think if we have a full squad for it we should do it.
O'shea missing for the first leg will be a big lose.
Hope to feck long is fit for it

pmasterson95 · 18-10-2015 12:46pm

Alex Meier wrote: »

So hoof the ball up to the penalty area so. . .

Where are the links for your stats?

Didnt work against Germany. Oh

Alex Meier · 18-10-2015 12:47pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Didnt work against Germany. Oh

Is this your answer to everything?

Your posts are juvenile

pmasterson95 · 18-10-2015 12:53pm

Alex Meier wrote: »

Is this your answer to everything?

Your posts are juvenile

Are you going to keep denying that it happened to suit your tiki taka boner? Juvenile is is your idea that possesion wins matches. Besides you have already decided Bosnia will beat us so you clearly like wild knee jerk reactions.

dfx- · 18-10-2015 1:05pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Possession has never won a match. Didnt Celtic beat Barca with 11% possession?

yet Barcelona have won the Champions League four times in nine years. Celtic...haven't.

Almost as though one match means nothing...

ArmaniJeanss · 18-10-2015 1:06pm

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Are you going to keep denying that it happened to suit your tiki taka boner? Juvenile is is your idea that possesion wins matches. Besides you have already decided Bosnia will beat us so you clearly like wild knee jerk reactions.

Theres a long term correlation between possession and goals. However goals are very difficult to score in football though so theres no guarantees in an individual match that the team with most possession will win.
But its folly not to acknowledge that the team with more possession is the more likely winner in any given match.

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