If the Social Welfare System was Abolished..

Jesus Nut

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

davet82

Utopia :rolleyes:

Mint Sauce

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

You seen what the grannies did when they tried to means test the medical card for OAPs. Imagine that on a bigger, nastier scale.

Only in this case, there might will actually be people who dont deserve their servcies.

drunkmonkey

I'd be swapping my shotgun for an ak47

im invisible

I reckon people would get a job, start working to get a bit of money..

MaxSteele

A vast echo of "AH HEYOR, LEAVE EH OUHHT' would bellow across Dublin anyway.

Logical Fallacy

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

Well, if the Social Welfare system was abolished you would instantly have all the millions of euro's that make up those payments vanish from the economy. Local businesses would fail, many more people would lose their jobs, hundreds of thousands of people would become homeless etc.

I find it odd that its a thought you have often had, yet you can't offer any kind of actual opinion yourself.

Sin City

Another cut the dole thread (all of it in this case)

Annasopra

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

A massive revolution like you've never seen in Ireland before.

Richard Hillman

It will create more enterprise and entrepreneurs. People will go out and try and make money for themselves.

On the negative side, we will have more people knocking on our doors to sell stuff.

Yakult

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

You tell me, seeing as you have thought about it longer.

Buck Fizz

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

Most people who are on the dole would then be totally fúcked! Especially people in rural areas where there are no jobs. If they then HAD to travel long distances to get to their workplace and the price of fuel and maintenance on a car would probably take up most of their wage!

Also, employers would take total advantage of the situation. They'd know people will have to work full stop, therefore offering crappy money...

Fromthetrees

We'd see civil unrest unparalleled in the history of the state.
It may benefit "Ireland Inc." long term but it would mean short term disaster.

Mr Benevolent

im invisible wrote: »

I reckon people would get a job, start working to get a bit of money..

Yeah, 400,000 jobs would magically be created.

Real life: Chaos.

RikkFlair

Viva la revolucion!

MadPatrick

Dunno

Dravokivich

Europe will finally realise how little our minimum wage actually is here.

Jesus Nut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXmZ89eJMbA

SEPT 23 1989

Crime would get a tiny bit worse

MagicSean

They shouldn't abolish it. It should start at €300 a week for new entrants and be reduced by €1 each week. That way the short term unlucky people won't suffer for the long term lazy bastards.

later12

Official statistics indicate that there are 28 unemployed people for every job vacancy in the offering.

Official reports indicate that the bank lending to small businesses is one of the lowest in the EU.

So without capital to start their own businesses, and without jobs in the economy, and with the knock on effects for consumer spending by cutting billions out of the domestic economy, what do you think would happen?

It isn't a starter.

haulagebasher

We would be dealing with the Great Irish Cheap Fags and Dutch Gold Famine of 2013-2015. Like in 1846, the lower classes would be condemed to wandering the lanes and dying in ditches for want of cider and fake Johnny Blues, suffering colulsions from the DTs.They'd be gathering outside the mansions of the rich in the hope of being tossed a smouldering fag butt.
When hundreds of thousands have sobered up and quit, the government will order shipments of Indian Cigarettes and Beer, but alas it will be too little too late. The sponger class will be decimated.

Rasmus

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

Short-term: Squatting, protests and thievery. Long term, greater divides between rich and poor and Irish people eventually adopting a more self-sustainable lifestyle. Then; an opportunist society, with a national life-expectancy of 65. Or am I thinking of a Philip K Dick book, or Russia?

cloptrop

The downtrodden Dublin people would travel around the country taking your stuff whilst you worked .
The 188 a week isnt dole its protection money .

Thoie

Crime would rise.
Civil unrest would rise.
People would become homeless.
Some people would starve/freeze to death.
Some people would die from easily treated ailments.
Some people with disabilities would be placed in institutions/abandoned.
Women with jobs would have to return to work immediately after giving birth.

Duggy747

Everyone who was on the dole will be turned into Soylent Green.

Will I Amnt

cloptrop wrote: »

The downtrodden Dublin people would travel around the country taking your stuff whilst you worked .
The 188 a week isnt dole its protection money .

Nah,we will be alright,all the jobs are here in the capital

cloptrop

I would have to say people who want the poor to starve to death to save a few quuid for angela merkel really have social disorders and probably shouldnt be trusted alone with women ,children, puppies or kittens .
They should also have their tv licences taken off them.

seamus

Disbanding the social welfare system overnight would basically leave about a third of the population with little or no income when you consider the families of those who are claiming, and pensioners.

A large number who are receiving assistance would also be in trouble.

Within a couple of weeks, large swathes of all cities and towns would turn into slums and no-go areas as crime rises a few thousand percent and practically every business in a working class area collapses due to income or robbery.
Crime everywhere would go through the roof and it's likely that the army and Gardai would have to be on patrol with automatic weapons in the "better" areas to protect the citizenry.

That's assuming that the weekly protests and rioting hadn't burned the cities to the ground by then.

On the plus side, with the amount of crime it will take about 20 years for the bank to get a civil hearing to reclaim your house, so you can stop paying your mortgage and spend the money on guns and bars for your windows.

Think about South Africa, only with less prepared security forces.

cursai

cloptrop wrote: »

I would have to say people who want the poor to starve to death to save a few quuid for angela merkel really have social disorders and probably shouldnt be trusted alone with women ,children, puppies or kittens .
They should also have their tv licences taken off them.

No more TV licence. Sounds great.

Mint Sauce

MagicSean wrote: »

They shouldn't abolish it. It should start at €300 a week for new entrants and be reduced by €1 each week. That way the short term unlucky people won't suffer for the long term lazy bastards.

Tbh, that is quite allot, and I was in receipt of JSB, JSA, and Fas payments for about 2 years up until June of this year after being made redundant and only had my self to look after.

What I would like to see is a review of how JSA is calculated and paid. I was firstly on JSB for a year, and was only getting my stamps back, 188 a week. Just before the year was up I eventully got a part time job and put on to JSA, was then firstly means tested based on my potential pay/hours, then after a couple of months my average to that date.

In both cases, due to the nature of my part time job, was agency work so hours varried hugely, and allot of weeks I was actully worse off even when you added up the pay from my employer and the adjusted pay from social welfare, and beacuse I was already in the system, in both cases I had to wait about a month for them to calcualte the adjusted pay each time. Thankfully got on a FAS course and now working full time.

Looking back its clear why some people are stuggling and not always honest with the social, and that does not include the career recipients.

ejmaztec

im invisible wrote: »

I reckon people would get a job, start working to get a bit of money..

450000 people sharing the same job might be slightly problematic.:(

Mena

seamus wrote: »

Think about South Africa, only with less prepared security forces.

You've never been obviously, you're thinking Somalia!

Rasmus

Mena wrote: »

You've never been obviously, you're thinking Somalia!

somehow I don't think you've been to Somalia. Google democracy : )

seamus

Mena wrote: »

You've never been obviously, you're thinking Somalia!

No, SA. 40 murders a day, 500,000 women raped every year, that kind of thing.

Tipsy McSwagger

There would be no more dole bashing threads.

ejmaztec

Joe Duffy would have to go ex-directory.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

At least if you abolished the Dole it would get rid of the overpaidrollsroycefatcatgravytrain civil servants working in Social Welfare, thereby saving the country another 200 billion a year.

SEPT 23 1989

deccurley wrote: »

At least if you abolished the Dole it would get rid of the overpaidrollsroycefatcatgravytrain civil servants working in Social Welfare, thereby saving the country another 200 billion a year.

They would be moved to some other department:mad:

ejmaztec

deccurley wrote: »

At least if you abolished the Dole it would get rid of the overpaidrollsroycefatcatgravytrain civil servants working in Social Welfare, thereby saving the country another 200 billion a year.

The surplus would soon be wiped out after the government bought a load of helicopter gunships to strafe the unemployed charging through the streets armed with machetes.

cloptrop

Maybe the op should find a nice no welfare african country . He should move there with no money . Then he should try get a job and see how it fares out .
He could then report back here if he livves a week and tell us what its like .

I think it should be timed out
a year or two and that's it

languagenerd

Poverty, death and destruction, not necessarily in that order.

Social welfare isn't just for wasters and skangers, y'know... Thousands and thousands of people have lost their jobs over the last 3 years, and they can't just walk into another job anymore, because the work isn't there. How do you expect them to survive?

Plus the Social Welfare money goes back into the economy (even the spongers have to buy stuff) so abolishing it would lead to shop closures and even more job losses.

(BTW I'm not a dole recipient, so this post isn't biased by that, I genuinely think that not all dole-recipients are spongers. I would be wholly in favour of cutting dole for long-term recipients who never worked or who never apply for anything though, as well as trying to cut down on fraud).

im invisible wrote: »

I reckon people would get a job, start working to get a bit of money..

Ah, yeah, cause there are thousands of empty jobs out there, begging for people to apply and all that. :pac:

You clearly haven't had to apply for jobs any time recently.

up for anything

haulagebasher wrote: »

We would be dealing with the Great Irish Cheap Fags and Dutch Gold Famine of 2013-2015. Like in 1846, the lower classes would be condemed to wandering the lanes and dying in ditches for want of cider and fake Johnny Blues, suffering colulsions from the DTs.They'd be gathering outside the mansions of the rich in the hope of being tossed a smouldering fag butt.
When hundreds of thousands have sobered up and quit, the government will order shipments of Indian Cigarettes and Beer, but alas it will be too little too late. The sponger class will be decimated.

So everyone on Social Welfare are sponging scum from the lower classes? :rolleyes:

What are colulsions?

Cú Giobach

bluewolf wrote: »

I think it should be timed out
a year or two and that's it

Yea and the money saved can be used to police the results and set up soup kitchens.

How on Earth can people miss the significance of the fact that in 2001 the unemployment rate was 3.7%.

Sykk

Thousands of businesses would close in a matter of weeks and crime rates in the country would sky rocket

ejmaztec

The Catholic Church would do quite well in the popularity stakes, because they'd be all over the situation like a rash, along with other religious bodies.

martingriff

Sin City wrote: »

Another cut the dole thread (all of it in this case)

There is a lot more to dole in social welfare such as back to education allowance dissability allowances

martingriff

Jesus Nut wrote: »

It's Budget 2013 and Irelands Social Welfare System is totally abolished..
(hypothetical of course)

In your most honest and rational belief, what do you think would be the consequences ?

Its a thought I have often had...!

My brother is in Singapore and they don't have a welfare system as such. They help you out in what you really need such as helping kids with school costs etc or something like that. This was told by my brother

B.A._Baracus

Crime.
You take away the only means of money people get. They will turn to crime.

im invisible

languagenerd wrote: »

You clearly haven't had to apply for jobs any time recently.

no, you're right. 188 into my pocket every week, shur why would i look for a job?