Gardai (and Shatter) failed to enforce the law at RIRA funeral

Ash.J.Williams

In all of this activity over the last two weeks, the statement from Kieran Doherty's family went unnoticed. Was alan involved in shooting him or did he make the phonecall luring him out ? It on record they were mates over the years from Portlaoise prison.
A simple google of the story shows that the RIRA brought in recruits from the republic to carry out the murder, combined with the "fearless volunteer" accolades heaped upon Alan Ryan, certainly makes it all suspicious.
Doherty's family have stated that Alan Ryan took the secrets of Kierans death to the grave.

NIMAN

Anyone who thinks that the Gardai should have ploughed in and tried to arrest the RIRA members during the funeral obviously haven't got a clue. Its very easy to say 'do this' and 'do that' but in the real world it wasn't a sensible thing to do, and would have resulted in a riot at a funeral.

The Gardai did the right thing imho, and arresting people after the event more sensible. In an ideal world yes people should be immediately arrested when they break the law, but its not always as simple as that.

They probably know all those involved, and hopefully will get them all behind bars in the longer term.

Red About Town

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

In all of this activity over the last two weeks, the statement from Kieran Doherty's family went unnoticed. Was alan involved in shooting him or did he make the phonecall luring him out ? It on record they were mates over the years from Portlaoise prison.
A simple google of the story shows that the RIRA brought in recruits from the republic to carry out the murder, combined with the "fearless volunteer" accolades heaped upon Alan Ryan, certainly makes it all suspicious.
Doherty's family have stated that Alan Ryan took the secrets of Kierans death to the grave.

Is there a link to this statement so I can read it?

Ash.J.Williams

Red About Town wrote: »

Is there a link to this statement so I can read it?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0907/1224323698020.html

Fitzerb

NIMAN wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that the Gardai should have ploughed in and tried to arrest the RIRA members during the funeral obviously haven't got a clue. Its very easy to say 'do this' and 'do that' but in the real world it wasn't a sensible thing to do, and would have resulted in a riot at a funeral.

The Gardai did the right thing imho, and arresting people after the event more sensible. In an ideal world yes people should be immediately arrested when they break the law, but its not always as simple as that.

They probably know all those involved, and hopefully will get them all behind bars in the longer term.

I think the Garda have proven over the years that they are more than capable of dealing with the para military organisations. What happened last week was minor compared to what was happening in the 80's and the State was in the main well protected by the Garda force. In my opinion they were right to wait until the dust had settled to make arrests. The RIRA are not republicans they are thugs who besmirch the names of Sands and Pearse

Red About Town

Fitzerb wrote: »

I think the Garda have proven over the years that they are more than capable of dealing with the para military organisations. What happened last week was minor compared to what was happening in the 80's and the State was in the main well protected by the Garda force. In my opinion they were right to wait until the dust had settled to make arrests. The RIRA are not republicans they are thugs who besmirch the names of Sands and Pearse

It's interesting to see Bobby Sands described in the same way as Pearse. I remember a time when Sands and his fellow travelers were described in the same way as the RIRA are today.

Fitzerb

Red About Town wrote: »

It's interesting to see Bobby Sands described in the same way as Pearse. I remember a time when Sands and his fellow travelers were described in the same way as the RIRA are today.

Is there any reason why I should not view them in the same light as they both made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs. Both knew that the path they had chosen would lead to their deaths.

Red About Town

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is there any reason why I should not view them in the same light as they both made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs. Both knew that the path they had chosen would lead to their deaths.

I would imagine Alan Ryan's supporters feel the same about him.

Slurryface

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is there any reason why I should not view them in the same light as they both made the ultimate sacrifice for their beliefs. Both knew that the path they had chosen would lead to their deaths.

And neither of them showed an ounce of remorse or consideration to the victims of their crimes.

FTA69

junder wrote: »

There is no conspiracy theory about the ira's internal securty unit, you got interrogated by the police you then got interrogated by the internal securty unit if you didn't convince them you said nothing at best you went to Dundalk worse you ended up on a border road with a ventilated bin liner over your head. Why do you think Dundalk got the name el paso?

What are you on about? Most Republican activists would have been arrested or hauled in for questioning by the time they were 16, if you think every time you were brought into the barracks you had to go to Dundalk then you're mistaken. Most Republicans would be living there by now if that was the case.

Monty Burnz

I see that one of Ryan's brothers has been picked up and charged with the murder of an innocent man with no adult convictions in 2011.

What a nice family.

junder

FTA69 wrote: »

junder wrote: »

There is no conspiracy theory about the ira's internal securty unit, you got interrogated by the police you then got interrogated by the internal securty unit if you didn't convince them you said nothing at best you went to Dundalk worse you ended up on a border road with a ventilated bin liner over your head. Why do you think Dundalk got the name el paso?

What are you on about? Most Republican activists would have been arrested or hauled in for questioning by the time they were 16, if you think every time you were brought into the barracks you had to go to Dundalk then you're mistaken. Most Republicans would be living there by now if that was the case.

As I said any ASU member hauled in by the police had to face the 'nutting squad' and it was from there they got the ok, the trip to Dundalk or the bin bag over the head. While not every pira activist got sent to Dundalk ( or executed) there was certinly enough for Dundalk to get a reputation for lawlessness and get the nick name El Paso, thanks to the behaviour of the many belfast exiles living there. As to the thread without evidence there is no charge regradless of what intelligence there may be, however lifting a suspect is a excellent way to let the suspect know 'we know who you are, we know what your part of, and we are watching you' 'red lighting' is a provie term and refers to just that, if your are 'red lighted' you are compromised and in a group like the RIRA that is already riddled with informers, that will be an issue

Ash.J.Williams

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I see that one of Ryan's brothers has been picked up and charged with the murder of an innocent man with no adult convictions in 2011.

What a nice family.

Charged with weapons possession, near the scene. Wonder is there any balistics evidence?

Fenian Army

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I see that one of Ryan's brothers has been picked up and charged with the murder of an innocent man with no adult convictions in 2011.

What a nice family.

You say the person killed was innocent as he had no convictions in 2011 - those arrested have not been convicted, so surely they are innocent too? Your post suggests you are already reaching for the black cap