Shefflin penalty - did he take the correct option?

Deskjockey

You'd swear poor ickle Lar Corbett was a 17 debutante the way you're defending him against the big bad manager. This is a former hurler of the year FFS

premierstone

No

Deskjockey wrote: »

You'd swear poor ickle Lar Corbett was a 17 debutante the way you're defending him against the big bad manager. This is a former hurler of the year FFS

If you dont obey managers instructions you are hauled off immediately its very simple, what inter-county manager would sit idely by as a player completely ignores the game plan you have given to him, why to hell do you think he was so late coming out for the second half, that was he's chance to air he's grievances and he did, he was told to shut up and do as he was told.

shawnee

premierstone wrote: »

If you dont obey managers instructions you are hauled off immediately its very simple, what inter-county manager would sit idely by as a player completely ignores the game plan you have given to him, why to hell do you think he was so late coming out for the second half, that was he's chance to air he's grievances and he did, he was told to shut up and do as he was told.

Lar would have been better off , disobeying instructions and playing hurling like the decent forward he is. If he was called ashore for playing hurling as it should be played then so be it... he could hold his head high. Running around like a headless chicken for 70 minutes cannot be entirely blamed on the management , I doubted Joe Canning or Henry Sheflin were told to chase backs on Sunday , they played their own game and sometimes were found in the other half of the field.;)

Formosa

No

I haven't read through the whole thread but I have a theory which may or may not be true, only the man himself could tell us.

It's possible that he WAS going for goal, I have a feeling that he was but that he rose the ball a bit close to his body so had no choice then but to put it over.

Have a look at it again and see does anyone share this opinion or am I crazy?

Davin Stand

70 to 30 agreeing with Shefflin's choice of taking the point. As one of the 30% I am surprised that it is not a good deal closer to 50-50.

Chicken liver

ANYONE WHO VOTED YES IS A SHYTE THE BUCKET without the faculty of reasoning.

It is as clear as day that he made a hames of his decision. He was wrong to take the option for the point.

False Prophet

No

Chicken liver wrote: »

ANYONE WHO VOTED YES IS A SHYTE THE BUCKET without the faculty of reasoning.

It is as clear as day that he made a hames of his decision. He was wrong to take the option for the point.

Great argument:rolleyes:
Sounds like a classic hurler on the ditch comment...

Mountainlad

curry-muff wrote: »

Looking at this from a football fan who rarely watches hurling I think he went for the right option. A guaranteed score versus a 50-50 chance of a match winner.

My main reasoning behind it is that often the case with missed penalties is that it gives the defending team a huge boost and the Kilkenny players heads would have dropped after such an important wasted chance.

Missing the goal chance would have deflated his team, scoring the point kept them in it and steadied their nerves.

Right opion imo.

Far more than a 50-50 chance. You need only have watched games of hurling with penalties in them to know they are scored more frequently then they are missed, and even moreso when you have a top class penalty taker like Shefflin there.


I think Shefflin was rattled by his own decision. He took the point, and 30 seconds later Galway could (should) have levelled.

As I said in the other thread, there was 5 scoring chances after the penalty (3 for Galway, 2 for Kilkenny/Shefflin) so the time argument doesn't wash with me. Also, it's a guaranteed win if he scores it which he has done how many times? It never even entered my mind that he would go for a point, I was shocked.

Henry Shefflin isn't widely considered one of the best players of all-time because he sticks penalties over the bar. It's because he typifies the ruthlessness of Kilkenny. I think he made the wrong choice and I think Galway will win the replay, but if Kilkenny win it I guess he'll be vindicated, though he could have saved a lot of fans a fair sum of money

Also, anyone that believes that he was right to point it after missing the 21 should consider two things:

1) There are only 3 as opposed to 5 on the line for a penalty.

2) It is 9 metres close to the goal, the distance is nearly halved.

It was go for goal all day for me.

adrian522

No

Have to disagree on a number of points, firstly penalties aren't converted nearly as often as you make out, plenty of them are saved. I'd say a goal is scored maybe 60% of the time. Secondly, there's a minute or so to go so the smart thing to do is to take the point, especially given how both teams are going struggling for scores.

Also not sure I'd class Shefflin as a top class penalty taker, certainly not in the same league as someone like Canning or DJ Carey. He's certainly missed a few in his time.

Also it's not 9 meters closer to the goal, its from the exact same spot. And the goal keeper is playing very well and one of the defenders has already stopped a 21 yard free.

Another thing that makes him one of the great players is great decision making, he did exactly the same against Clare in 2004 and that was the right decision then too.

Mountainlad

adrian522 wrote: »

Have to disagree on a number of points, firstly penalties aren't converted nearly as often as you make out, plenty of them are saved. I'd say a goal is scored maybe 60% of the time. Secondly, there's a minute or so to go so the smart thing to do is to take the point, especially given how both teams are going struggling for scores.

Also not sure I'd class Shefflin as a top class penalty taker, certainly not in the same league as someone like Canning or DJ Carey. He's certainly missed a few in his time.

Also it's not 9 meters closer to the goal, its from the exact same spot. And the goal keeper is playing very well and one of the defenders has already stopped a 21 yard free.

Another thing that makes him one of the great players is great decision making, he did exactly the same against Clare in 2004 and that was the right decision then too.

Ah yeah sorry I'm thinkin of football!

It's hard to argue without having the statistics really. But like I don't get why people are using actual figures when they don't know them either.

Galway could (admittedly didn't) have scored 3 times afterwards. If it was the 70th minute then possibly fair enough. It was always likely that if Galway had any shout for a free with only a point in it it would be given, and while I'm not saying Glennon's wasn't a free, I'm just not sure it would have been given if the scores were level. With that in mind, it has to be a goal for me.

mickmackey1

It's pretty obvious he didn't quite have the bottle to go for it... he can live without a ninth medal but not because of a decision he made himself, it would have haunted him for the rest of his days.

When you think of Art Foley's save in '56 to deny Ring, and Tipp's surprising defeat in '67 to deny Doyle, it's as if the gods are conspiring to prevent anyone claiming a famous ninth, just like the mythical five-in-a-row...

allthedoyles

Don't think Shefflin is renowned as a top-class penalty taker

Chicken liver

adrian522 wrote: »

so the smart thing to do is to take the point,

Henry wasn't too smart then was he?

The smart thing to have done was to put the ball in the net.

There'll only be one winner next day out and that's Galway and I wager it'll be a very convincing win at that.

MaroonAndGreen

Think he made the right decision.. but at the time, as a neutral I wanted him to go for goal just for some more drama.