Ireland v Oman match thread 11/09/12

Roger Sterling

Better that the likes of Pearce are eased into games like this than competitive games.

Stevecw

andyman wrote: »

Randolph and Pearce on for Forde and Wilson.

Why Wilson off?? Really wanted to see him get 90 mins. Seems Trap doesn't fancy him at lb at all, so it'll be Ward

Patser

England (Cleverly) missed a sitter about 5 mins ago and Ukraine have just scored a beautiful, beautiful goal - 0-1 Ukraine (38 mins)

thebman

Can only see the Youtube videos as don't have Setanta or feed but I just hope we don't go back to playing the old team in next match.

Our A team lacks confidence especially after the Euro's with the manager and the press telling them they aren't good enough to take on decent teams.

However, that isn't good enough, as a country, I believe we have 11 players that can at least pull a draw out of a game that they are expected to lose. We have that much talent in the country at least and that is really all the fans expect is a brave performance against a team that nobody gave them a chance against.

The players that we usually play seem to lack enthusiasm and part of that is confidence and part of it is that they feel their positions are safe IMO as they play traps system.

Needs to inject new life into the team by bringing these new players into the team in a competitive match. Now that he is on the ropes career wise, we might see this. However, there is the flip side of that coin where he if he mixes it up and it goes wrong, he'll be out on his rear.

However, he plays the existing team, we are almost guaranteed to lose and he'll be out on his rear then too...

Mr.Nice Guy

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

andyman

Stevecw wrote: »

Why Wilson off??

To be perfectly honest with you, I really have no idea.

elefant

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

That doesn't happen very often though does it?

Manc-Red

Germany 2 up in Austria now 51' - Ozil peno

Stevecw

Good save there, almost 4

aindriu80

Sweden 1-0 against k'stan. Looks like they had none of the problems we had

happydayz182

McCarthy is a class act

aindriu80

german steam roller 2-0 up now

Patser

Wales are being torn apart by Serbia 4-1 down

Roger Sterling

aindriu80 wrote: »

Sweden 1-0 against k'stan. Looks like they had none of the problems we had

Hardly hammering them in fairness....

Patser

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Hardly hammering them in fairness....

Kazakhstan to score 2 in the last minute, just watch

G.K.

No streams.

aindriu80

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Hardly hammering them in fairness....

well its not like england and ukraine

kitakyushu

Patser wrote: »

Kazakhstan to score 2 in the last minute, just watch

They've learnt that trick from the best (worst).

Manc-Red

Austria 1-2 Germany 56'

~Rebel~

aindriu80 wrote: »

Sweden 1-0 against k'stan. Looks like they had none of the problems we had

I don't know about that...Only being 1-0 up, at home, against Kazahkstan after an hour is not really something to be proud of...

andyman

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

He gets bashed because the vast majority of these "fringe" players shouldn't even be fringe players.

Seamus Coleman, Marc Wilson, James McCarthy, David Meyler, James McClean and Shane Long should be in our strongest XI. He'll give them a chance to impress in these friendlies and no matter what these players do, back into the team will come Robbie Keane, Simon Cox, Glenn Whelan, Keith Andrews and Stephen Ward.

You have absolutely zero basis for an argument supporting Trap here. Zero. You've refused to answer any of the points directly and you're going through the exact same points you have already. This then leads to other people going through their points again and...voila! We're going around and around in circles.

It's just as tiresome trying to explain this as the constant Trap bashing is to you. You're not taking any of the points on board.

If Trap transferred some of these players and the style we're playing tonight even at least against the Faroe Islands or the Kazakhstan's then he'd have far, far less critics. Fact of the matter is, though, he doesn't and he won't and all of the constant false hope he gives the Irish fans when a friendly comes around with an experimental team, he just goes back. It's bloody tiring and I, like most of the Irish fans, am sick of it.

Bob the Seducer

Austria have pulled one back through Junuzovic, 2-1 to Germany now.

Corholio

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

To be honest, I don't remember us playing 'well' in a lot of those friendlies that people supposedly ignored. We went on a long unbeaten run, which he got credit for, but didn't really put in a whole lot of great performances.

No need for Mystic Meg by the way, he hasn't played those players in competitive games so no idea what point you're trying to make there. Ah the usual wheeling out of the Irish 'begrudgery' line, it seems to never get old. Once Irish people criticise anything its brought out. We're certainly not gonna be any sort of 'champs' under Trap.

But sure we qualified.....that's all that mattered right.

Patser

G.K. wrote: »

No streams.

Are Lakes ok?

desaparecidos

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

Jesus it's hardly worth replying because you're simply not getting it! But I'll try to break it down a bit more.

This friendly and the last, we've played fringe players who are clearly instructed not to focus on hoofing it, but attempt to play some football. Nobody is denying Trap any credit when he picks the form and logical players and instructs the team to play in this fashion.

The frustration comes from the fact that he will ONLY do this in friendly games. Against one of the weakest teams in the group, he reverted to the same old same old. He has NO intention of doing anything else but hoof and play the same old ordinary players against Germany next month and probably the rest of the qualifying games.

Nobody is bashing Trap for winning this game and playing the style we are, we're just pre-bashing for the Germany game.

aindriu80

ireland switching off now :S

kitakyushu

Have Oman even had a shot on target yet?

Rekop dog

Patser wrote: »

Wales are being torn apart by Serbia 4-1 down

Example of what can happen when blooding talented but inexperienced youngsters in these games.

aindriu80

mc clean on great !

Roger Sterling

~Rebel~ wrote: »

aindriu80 wrote: »

Sweden 1-0 against k'stan. Looks like they had none of the problems we had

I don't know about that...Only being 1-0 up, at home, against Kazahkstan after an hour is not really something to be proud of...

All it really shows is theyre no mugs.

kitakyushu

Roger Sterling wrote: »

All it really shows is theyre no mugs.

In fairness, what happened to them last Friday shows they are mugs.

Corholio

Rekop dog wrote: »

Example of what can happen when blooding talented but inexperienced youngsters in these games.

Who are the talented youngsters Coleman has bloodied tonight against Serbia? Everyone of them has played for Wales before.

DDC1990

Ha one Irish guy singing on the top of his voice.

"Can you hear the Oman sing"
"Oman Oman give us a song"

:P

aindriu80

Roger Sterling wrote: »

All it really shows is theyre no mugs.

yip. no excuse.

Roger Sterling

desaparecidos wrote: »

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When we play poorly against teams we're expected to beat there are calls for him to be sacked. When we play well against teams we're expected to beat, the performance is ignored and he gets no credit.

When he doesn't play 'fringe' players in friendlies he is bashed. When he plays them, he is still bashed because the Mystic Megs reckon he won't play them in the competitive games.

Just admit many of you are more interested in bashing the chap than supporting your country. The pathetic hypocrisy of it all is that if he HAD been sacked and Mick McCarthy was now in charge of this game, you'd all be harping on whimsically about the dawn of a new era and how wonderful it all was.

It's the same old, tired whingeing whining Irish begrudgery which, if it was an international sport, would see us as multi-time world champs.

Jesus it's hardly worth replying because you're simply not getting it! But I'll try to break it down a bit more.

This friendly and the last, we've played fringe players who are clearly instructed not to focus on hoofing it, but attempt to play some football. Nobody is denying Trap any credit when he picks the form and logical players and instructs the team to play in this fashion.

The frustration comes from the fact that he will ONLY do this in friendly games. Against one of the weakest teams in the group, he reverted to the same old same old. He has NO intention of doing anything else but hoof and play the same old ordinary players against Germany next month and probably the rest of the qualifying games.

Nobody is bashing Trap for winning this game and playing the style we are, we're just pre-bashing for the Germany game.

The idea you see the need to "pre bash" at all is in itself lsughable. Pre bashing indeed!!!

I for one want our tried and tested players in the tesm for Germany.

Patser

Good try from McLean there, that's 2 (make it 3 now after another chance) this half by AL Habsi

aindriu80

we should have got a goal there, great strike by mc clean

Stevecw

Good save again to stop McClean and the follow up

Mars Bar

Nice play there

TheMilkyPirate

That could have been some goal

desaparecidos

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I for one want our tried and tested players in the tesm for Germany.

Really, because Coleman just ran the length of the pitch and turned defence into attack in seconds, nearly leading to a goal.

The "tried and tested players" would have booted it out over the stand.

Corholio

Roger Sterling wrote: »

The idea you see the need to "pre bash" at all is in itself lsughable. Pre bashing indeed!!!

I for one want our tried and tested players in the tesm for Germany.

I think that's the point, the tested players have been mostly the same. No doubt that's what he'll do. We need a huge, huge improvement from these tried and tested players in the Germany match.

Stevecw

Brady off, McGeady on. Good debut by Brady after a shaky start, he really got into it and played well..got his goal too

~Rebel~

Jesus that was some terrible terrible defending!

Mr.Crinklewood

Ohhh Man!!!

Mars Bar

Where was Kelly gone?

Stevecw

Way too much space there, poor goal to concede

aindriu80

we never straightened up since 1/2 time

~Rebel~

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Ohhh Man!!!

That really was a Farsi!

Rega

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That really was a Farsi!