Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 - Mod note #129 & 1087

daithijjj

gaelicred wrote: »

Kelvin MacKenzie

Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline. I too was totally misled. Twenty three ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium. I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster.

As the Prime Minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves. It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth. I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong.

In bold are the bits where he makes it clear that it wasn't his fault, making the apology redundant. He's not apologising for being wrong, he apologising for the facts he recieved being wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Heybq1s79Y

billybudd

gaelicred wrote: »

Kelvin MacKenzie

Today I offer my profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool for that headline. I too was totally misled. Twenty three ago I was handed a piece of copy from a reputable news agency in Sheffield in which a senior police officer and a senior local MP were making serious allegations against fans in the stadium. I had absolutely no reason to believe that these authority figures would lie and deceive over such a disaster.

As the Prime Minister has made clear these allegations were wholly untrue and were part of a concerted plot by police officers to discredit the supporters thereby shifting the blame for the tragedy from themselves. It has taken more than two decades, 400,000 documents and a two-year inquiry to discover to my horror that it would have been far more accurate had I written the headline The Lies rather than The Truth. I published in good faith and I am sorry that it was so wrong.

In bold are the bits where he makes it clear that it wasn't his fault, making the apology redundant. He's not apologising for being wrong, he apologising for the facts he recieved being wrong.

He knew 23 yrs ago what the story was.

Slattsy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- Those who fall over themselves to broadcast their 'JFT96' message on a social media platform / forum;
- Those who fall over themselves to note that they 'get it' and see that this is a Liverpool based tragedy and Irish people live in Ireland you know;

I can't decide which is worse.

Get down off your high horse ffs !!!

Oscorp

Lucas has changed his twitter avatar to this:



https://twitter.com/LucasLeiva87

Nice touch.

Handsome Bob

Had a look at a thread in a certain other forum just there. Only read one page and had enough.

tok9

Haven't said much today as tbh I always find these kind of situations uncomfortable and I don't have any idea what these families must be going through.

But I'm delighted to hear the truth come out and bring some closure to the families of the 96.

YNWA

mosstin

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- Those who fall over themselves to broadcast their 'JFT96' message on a social media platform / forum;
- Those who fall over themselves to note that they 'get it' and see that this is a Liverpool based tragedy and Irish people live in Ireland you know;

I can't decide which is worse.

In truth, today of all days, does that matter? Really?

opr

If anyone has access could they fire up the piece from Tony Evans in the times.

Opr

Oscorp

opr wrote: »

If anyone has access could they fire up the piece from Tony Evans in the times.

Opr

All I've found is this quote attributed to Evans in this piece on the reaction to the panel's findings:

"Those who sniggered at the justice campaigners as cranks and conspiracy theorists must be aghast. The myth of self-pity city is truly smashed," said Tony Evans of The Times. "Hillsborough is the biggest cover-up in British history and it has been exposed because of the strength of families and those around them. It was driven by a complete absence of self-pity."

Not sure if it appears in his Times article though.

Leiva

I have this wonderful feeling and hope that the victims families when they put their heads on their pillows tonight that they feel a little less agitated and their mind a little more a peace.

It's not over by a long shot but a massive hurdle has been jumped and the tide has well and truly turned in the victims favour.

Lawrence1895

Leiva wrote: »

I have this wonderful feeling and hope that the victims families when they put their heads on their pillows tonight that they feel a little less agitated and their mind a little more a peace.

It's not over by a long shot but a massive hurdle has been jumped and the tide has well and truly turned in the victims favour.

Those words should be carved in stone

Leiva

I wonder how that oul böllox Kess is doing.

I hope he is around family either over a few drinks with a smile on their face or a cup of tea and a giggle remembering those loved ones past.

citytillidie

I am finding it disgusting how some are coming on about the faux outrage from Liverpool fans in Ireland about what happened when the same thing nearly happened in Ireland a couple of weeks later in the 1st FAI cup final between Cork and Derry.

A lot of children at the Derry end behind the goal were taken out of the stands and sat pitch side as it was too packed, just lucky that game finished 0-0, if Derry had of scored who knows what could have happened. My dad did not let me go to the reply in fear of it happening again as well not nice being separated from your kids in a big crowd.

K-9

citytillidie wrote: »

I am finding it disgusting how some are coming on about the faux outrage from Liverpool fans in Ireland about what happened when the same thing nearly happened in Ireland a couple of weeks later in the 1st FAI cup final between Cork and Derry.

I lot of children at the Derry end behind the goal were taken out of the stands and sat pitch side as it was too packed, just lucky that game finished 0-0, if Derry had of scored who knows what could have happened. My dad did not let me go to the reply in fear of it happening again as well not nice being separated from your kids in a big crowd.

Happened a couple of times at Gah matches too, not that long ago at Parc Ui Chaoimh for a Munster final IIRC.

opr

Cheers for looking Oscorp. Turns out it was an audio interview. It's up on the main page, very moving.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/sport/

Opr

daithijjj

Tomorrows Mirror



Edit.........i personally dont give a fu*k whats in any of the tabloids, including this one, bandwagon jumping c**ts would write anything to sell a sheet.

citytillidie

that rag up with the real truth and sister paper the express going with immigrants as main front page

the daily telegraph not even mentioning it either

opr

Paul Mason ‏@paulmasonnews
My two way tonight dropped. More from Madrid soon. Newsnight going for Hillsboro all guns blazing. Must watch

It's on BBC2 at 10.30pm for anyone interested.

Opr

Sappy404

S*n front page:

http://t.co/F5NwrDEQ

K-9

daithijjj wrote: »

Tomorrows Mirror



Edit.........i personally dont give a fu*k whats in any of the tabloids, including this one, bandwagon jumping c**ts would write anything to sell a sheet.

Just the Mirror getting one over on a rival but yeah, its emotional.

Imagine the S*n doing it, not that it really matters anymore.

_blank_

Sappy404 wrote: »

S*n front page:

http://t.co/F5NwrDEQ

linking to the picture kind of defeats the purpose of not spelling out the name.

Funkyzeit

Some people still not realising the hurt the s*n article caused instead trying to find a cheap/sick laugh out of today's developments

Colm Tobin
‏@colmtobin
BREAKING: The Sun has blamed Apple fans for the iPhone 5.

https://twitter.com/colmtobin/status/245945822221565952

Jason Todd

Leiva wrote: »

I have this wonderful feeling and hope that the victims families when they put their heads on their pillows tonight that they feel a little less agitated and their mind a little more a peace.

It's not over by a long shot but a massive hurdle has been jumped and the tide has well and truly turned in the victims favour.

Very well said.

Grayditch

Des wrote: »

linking to the picture kind of defeats the purpose of not spelling out the name.

Ah stop, will ya.

opr

Opr

Cartman78

Sorry if this has been posted already today, haven't seen it in years myself...

Moving tribute from Real Madrid and AC Milan fans at the European Cup semi final in 1989 to the Hillsborough victims. This happened in the 6th minute, the same time as Liverpool v Nottingham Forest was stopped. This match took place just four days after the Hillsborough disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFX07w2-4ls

Nuri Sahin

daithijjj

K-9 wrote: »

Just the Mirror getting one over on a rival but yeah, its emotional.

Imagine the S*n doing it, not that it really matters anymore.

Im at risk of going wildly off topic, and i said my piece on this in the Racism thread but you only have to look at the front of the Daily Express to see what i was talking about. One of the largest cover ups and the large font reserved for a blaming of migrants for surge in crime. The xenophobia/discrimination and lies carries on on a daily basis to feed meatheads. Theres only a couple of newspapers left that are worth buying. All the rest are fish and chip paper.

K-9

The Echo with REST IN TRUTH. Says it all.

opr

Pretty much all of the papers running with a complete blackout frontpage Guardian, Mirror, Times etc. The Telegraph doesn't even have it as a front page news story at all. Glad to see the media still isn't agenda driven these days.

Opr

K-9

daithijjj wrote: »

Im at risk of going wildly off topic, and i said my piece on this in the Racism thread but you only have to look at the front of the Daily Express to see what i was talking about. One of the largest cover ups and the large font reserved for a blaming of migrants for surge in crime. The xenophobia/discrimination and lies carries on on a daily basis to feed meatheads. Theres only a couple of newspapers left that are worth buying. All the rest are fish and chip paper.

Much as I give out about our press, streets ahead of theirs. I'd put politicians ahead of tabloid journalists at this stage.

Newsnight has started.

citytillidie

The Scottish newspaper only one with the balls for his headline

poolboy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- Those who fall over themselves to broadcast their 'JFT96' message on a social media platform / forum;
- Those who fall over themselves to note that they 'get it' and see that this is a Liverpool based tragedy and Irish people live in Ireland you know;

I can't decide which is worse.

You

K-9

Did I hear that just right, apparently there were far more than the 3 Ambulances there on the pitch, from ambulance and police officer evidence?

Rekop dog

Xabi is all class isn't he, also has a better command of the language than most British footballers!

delw

Finally the truth & vindication for the families
May the 96 rest in peace now

Kerrigooney

Just finished reading the AH thread.

Incredible ignorance on there.

mike65

K-9 wrote: »

Did I hear that just right, apparently there were far more than the 3 Ambulances there on the pitch, from ambulance and police officer evidence?

What you on about? This something aid on Newsnight? The MOTD cameras and Trevor Hicks (among others ) were testimony to the number of emergency vehicles allowed onto the pitch - two is the answer.

monkey9

K-9 wrote: »

Did I hear that just right, apparently there were far more than the 3 Ambulances there on the pitch, from ambulance and police officer evidence?

There was loads of them outside. The first ambulance that went onto the pitch, the one you see in all the footage, the paramedic is on record as saying that he was told not to go in yet by a policeman because "they're all still fighting on the pitch". He went in anyway and was confronted by the chaos!

K-9

mike65 wrote: »

What you on about? This something aid on Newsnight? The MOTD cameras and Trevor Hicks (among others ) were testimony to the number of emergency vehicles allowed onto the pitch - two is the answer.

I always assumed 3, George Hamilton said 1.

Anyway, 1-3 seems a pretty reasonable recollection considering the events.

Apparently loads were on the pitch according to testimoney. I'm as shocked as you.

Yakult

citytillidie wrote: »

the daily telegraph not even mentioning it either

noticed that.. They have more pressing concerns to deal with I suppose, like Kate middleton......

mike65

Its on the front page - third story down, the telegraph website moves things about quite quickly depending on what's newest and hot.

edit - just seen the hard copy on SKY website - yep lots of Kate Middleton and NHS stuff. Very poor.

Only one other paper - the FT doesn't have it but then they never have the same as anyone else unless its finance based.

I'd say it'll be changed by the late edition.

opr

Even the FT do have it as a front page news story Mike.

Opr

mike65

Ah I can just see a small red banner top left column, I assume that's it.

http://news.sky.com/#

opr

I'm surprised with the tact on not running it at all. I thought the Torygraph would at least run something like 'Cameron says sorry'. Anyways it's of little importance today and the politics of it bore me I just find it odd more than anything else.

Opr

~Rebel~

opr wrote: »

I'm surprised with the tact on not running it at all. I thought the Torygraph would at least run something like 'Cameron says sorry'. Anyways it's of little importance today and the politics of it bore me I just find it odd more than anything else.

Opr

Yeah, I mean it's News, pretty ****ing big news at that...isn't that the purpose or newspapers? To tell the news?

LuckyLloyd

~Rebel~ wrote: »

opr wrote: »

I'm surprised with the tact on not running it at all. I thought the Torygraph would at least run something like 'Cameron says sorry'. Anyways it's of little importance today and the politics of it bore me I just find it odd more than anything else.

Opr

Yeah, I mean it's News, pretty ****ing big news at that...isn't that the purpose or newspapers? To tell the news?

No, to be frank. It probably should be the purpose mind.

Phoenix Park

Sappy404 wrote: »

S*n front page:

http://t.co/F5NwrDEQ[/QUOTE]

I'll requote the above link, never keen on quouting The S.n, but i feel its worth pointing out that The S.n have changed the text in the Irish edition to remove the headline apology. Where it says they are sorry on the bottom left of the page shown above says something about Carragher and Dalglish's thoughts on yesterday instead...
The rest looks the same to me (i didn't buy it, just saw the few newspaper headlines in the shop).

I guess the readers of The S.n in Ireland (bright and thirsting for knowledge as they must be) can rest easy that its an entirely independent newspaper from the UK version, and any similarities are purely coincidental.

Tipsy McSwagger

K-9 wrote: »

I always assumed 3, George Hamilton said 1.

Anyway, 1-3 seems a pretty reasonable recollection considering the events.

Apparently loads were on the pitch according to testimoney. I'm as shocked as you.

There was 40 ambulances, 3 made it onto the pitch and only one made it to the Leppings Lane End.

Kerrigooney

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

There was 40 ambulances, 3 made it onto the pitch and only one made it to the Leppings Lane End.

That was my understanding of it as well.