Pro12: Ulster vs Munster, Fri 14 Sep 7:05pm; Live on RTÉ2/BBC2NI

Benny Cake

Munster

eyeball kid wrote: »

What kind of stuff are they saying?

Storm in a teacup tbh, Leinster lads just sour their game isn't on the box tomorrow :P

Cool_CM

As long as he plays on Sundays it shouldn't have anything to do with anything.
There was a good interview with him in rugby world last year where he talked about it. Same with Ferris in another issue, well worth a read.

stunmer

Great for O'Gara to get some game time but I can't help think we would have won that game if Keatley had remained at outhalf

GerM

donfers wrote: »

great effort by munster, to only lose to an extremely dodgy penalty

Absolute penalty and for more than one infringement. Horan drove straight across for a start which the commentary team called "getting the nudge on". It was a carbon copy of Mtawarira against Vickery.

GerM

Cool_CM wrote: »

As long as he plays on Sundays it shouldn't have anything to do with anything.
There was a good interview with him in rugby world last year where he talked about it. Same with Ferris in another issue, well worth a read.

There's a large Christian element within Ulster rugby. They don't play games on a Sunday, for example.

exaisle

Ferris and Trimble are different religions.

Ferris is a forward....Trimble is a back... ;-)

totallegend

thomond2006 wrote: »

That was the situation when you wanted Strings on the pitch! A better passer and ROG may have had enough time.

Oh well, a great game. LBP isn't a bad return for Munster considering the lineups.

No, RoG either bottled it or decided he had to prove a point that he's more than a kicker. He flat out refused to go into the right position for the DG.

Between that and his comical attempts at spraying the ball wide, he was a massive handicap to Munster, particularly after Keatley had done well.

A great game though, some wonderful performances. Payne looks the real deal, Laulala is doing what he was hired to do and Jackson is developing nicely. Nick Williams perhaps shown up a bit...

chancer12

exaisle wrote: »

I don't see what his religious persuasion has to do with it.....

But I agree, stupid comment.

But then, George Hook is a big fat gobsh1te.

In fact, I'm fairly sure that he's a devout gobsh1te.....and has spent a lifetime perfecting his art....

Go you, couldn't agree more!

thomond2006

totallegend wrote: »

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Nick Williams perhaps shown up a bit...

Tbf Munster were watching him closely, when Williams got the ball Munster had numbers ready to gang tackle him before he could build up momentum.

BBDBB

missed the thread

getting up to speed

"George Hook is a big fat gob****e"


ok Im there










great game btw

DDC1990

totallegend wrote: »

No, RoG either bottled it or decided he had to prove a point that he's more than a kicker. He flat out refused to go into the right position for the DG.

Between that and his comical attempts at spraying the ball wide, he was a massive handicap to Munster, particularly after Keatley had done well.

A great game though, some wonderful performances. Payne looks the real deal, Laulala is doing what he was hired to do and Jackson is developing nicely. Nick Williams perhaps shown up a bit...

What a rediculous post.

You seem to have something against O'Gara.

Murrays first pass back to him was shocking, he wasn't ready at all, and Ulster were on top of him before he could set up the kick. From then on they went backwards, and Murray failed to control the ruck situation.

Im a supporter of Murray, but that wasn't his best 2 minutes.

Keatley should have had the presence to, set himself up as a dummy to take some of the Ulster players off O'Gara.

donfers

Munster

totallegend wrote: »

No, RoG either bottled it or decided he had to prove a point that he's more than a kicker. He flat out refused to go into the right position for the DG.

Between that and his comical attempts at spraying the ball wide, he was a massive handicap to Munster, particularly after Keatley had done well.

A great game though, some wonderful performances. Payne looks the real deal, Laulala is doing what he was hired to do and Jackson is developing nicely. Nick Williams perhaps shown up a bit...

ROG only had 10 minutes, his first of the season but he did seem to be trying to force things too much

Munster had three enforced changes, two in the backs which ultimately cost them in a match so tight

what will be interesting though is who will Munster pick as their first choice 10 this season, at this moment in time I'd have Keatley ahead of ROG

GerM

donfers wrote: »

what will be interesting though is who will Munster pick as their first choice 10 this season, at this moment in time I'd have Keatley ahead of ROG

Good shout. He deserves it. ROG's contract is done at the end of this year. Unless he signs on to play until he's at least 37, he's retiring. Now is the time for IK to get the time and investment. Whenever he has been given a few games, he has looked decent. He just needs to learn some more game management. A lot of aimless kicking tonight. He has all the talent needed but needs game time and to know he's able to play, make a mistake and still have the backing of his coach. ROG should be used as a closer and a guiding hand this season. I'd give IK 3 starts in the HEC pools.

danthefan

Munster

GerM wrote: »

Good shout. He deserves it. ROG's contract is done at the end of this year. Unless he signs on to play until he's at least 37, he's retiring. Now is the time for IK to get the time and investment. Whenever he has been given a few games, he has looked decent. He just needs to learn some more game management. A lot of aimless kicking tonight. He has all the talent needed but needs game time and to know he's able to play, make a mistake and still have the backing of his coach. ROG should be used as a closer and a guiding hand this season. I'd give IK 3 starts in the HEC pools.

He's said in public a couple of times he's not retiring yet.

I can't see him being dropped. Bar dropping BOD it's probably one of the biggest calls in Irish rugby. The media would go nuts and a large element of the fanbase, who can't seem to see how poor he is these days, would also go nuts.

Scioch

I dont know what to make of ROG at the end, he did hesitate a bit and seemed flustered but he was closed down very well by Ulster when the drop was on, Marshall scuppered him twice I think.

I dont think he bottled it as he'd have took the drop if he could have gotten it away.

BBDBB

no ROG didnt hesitate or bottle anything

a dropgoal from that distance was speculative at best

credit where its due, Ulsters defence of their 22 line was immense in that final 2 minutes

thomond2006

I reckon ROG will start next week and then Penney will make his mind up.

It's not often players on international contracts get dropped...

awec

Munster

Delighted with the result!

Full on panic for the last few minutes!

Benny Cake

Munster

thomond2006 wrote: »

I reckon ROG will start next week and then Penney will make his mind up.

It's not often players on international contracts get dropped...

True, in fairness to ROG he deserves a start after the break he's had. I've no issue with Keatley starting in the Heineken Cup tbh, he's surprised me with his start to the season.

I actually think the bigger headache for Penney is who to select with Downey-Lalala-Earls-Zebo-LOD-Douggie-Hurley all vying for spots in the backline

yimrsg

Keatley was the main reason that Ulster didn't score 2 first half tries, huge effort by him in defence. He did make a few errors but on the whole looked very good, nice variety in his play and brought the best out of his centres. Considering who was at scrum half he played very well. ROG didn't have an easy introduction for his first start of the season and will have to play very well to dislodge Keatley from 10.

Munsters defence was excellent, tigerish in the breakdown and considering the forced subs and several international players missing it was a very promising showing. It was a great interpro match to watch as a neutral in spite of the referee and the commentary team.

Cpt_Blackbeard

thomond2006 wrote: »

There was nothing in the Trimble 'push'. Hurley reaction was worse..

No chance. Trimble had already thrown 3-4 digs at Hurley earlier when Hurley had him by the collar. He then forcefully pushes Hurley into the hoardings, despite Hurley only wasting time for Munster. Should have seen a yellow, for the sheer pettiness of his actions.

McComish was the worst of the lot, though. Trimble and Hurley had a scuffle and he runs straight in on Murray, the bystander. DOCII might want to keep his head down too, as I think he got a few swings away in Trimble's direction too.

All in all, it was a great match. Ulster looked very dangerous with the ball throughout and I think Munster we're giving them too much of a chance to run at them.

GerM

BBDBB wrote: »

no ROG didnt hesitate or bottle anything

a dropgoal from that distance was speculative at best

credit where its due, Ulsters defence of their 22 line was immense in that final 2 minutes

The ball was on the 22 for a number of phases. That's standard drop goal territory. His shots last year against Castres and N'hampton were both from outside the 10m line. They were world class strikes but this had far less riding on it. He should have screamed for it and had a bash. I think most of us would have fancied him to nail it. Good work on the Ulster chase when the ball did come back later on.

Tox56

Who said Pro12 doesn't matter?? Great finish, and a great game even for the neutral. Munster are coming back for sure but hopefully Penney will be given time (particularly in Europe).

thomond2006

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

No chance. Trimble had already thrown 3-4 digs at Hurley earlier when Hurley had him by the collar. He then forcefully pushes Hurley into the hoardings, despite Hurley only wasting time for Munster. Should have seen a yellow, for the sheer pettiness of his actions.

McComish was the worst of the lot, though. Trimble and Hurley had a scuffle and he runs straight in on Murray, the bystander. DOCII might want to keep his head down too, as I think he got a few swings away in Trimble's direction too.

All in all, it was a great match. Ulster looked very dangerous with the ball throughout and I think Munster we're giving them too much of a chance to run at them.

Did Rolland know about the earlier handbags? I have go down the hall from the TV to post on here so I might have missed it!

If he did, then fair enough.

GerM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

No chance. Trimble had already thrown 3-4 digs at Hurley earlier when Hurley had him by the collar. He then forcefully pushes Hurley into the hoardings, despite Hurley only wasting time for Munster. Should have seen a yellow, for the sheer pettiness of his actions.

There was nothing in it whatsoever, Capt. There are about half a dozen incidents in any match similar by players holding others back off the ball, throwing the ball away, shoving them etc. 80% of the time the official would take them over with their captains, give a talk and leave it at that. It would have been similar to Hurley getting a penalty against for pulling Trimble back by the collar minutes earlier which would have been equally undeserved where Trimble reacted to something. Roles were reversed, ball was out of play this time and TJ decided to make a call.

Tox56

Sure ROG was throwing digs at someone who tackled him during all those drop goal phases.

thomond2006

Tox56 wrote: »

Sure ROG was throwing digs at someone who tackled him during all those drop goal phases.

ROG is ROG, he can do what he likes!

[Jackass]

Munster

totallegend wrote: »

No, RoG either bottled it or decided he had to prove a point that he's more than a kicker. He flat out refused to go into the right position for the DG.

Between that and his comical attempts at spraying the ball wide, he was a massive handicap to Munster, particularly after Keatley had done well.

ROGs passing was just too far above international standard for any of the players to be able to catch it.

I have to say though, I thought Murray was superb. His speed to the last breakdown at the end and then the effortless way he dug the ball out and sent it back to ROG for the winning drop goal all in one quick, concise motion, was so good and such quick ball, that I honestly didn't even see it.

Took good options as well from the rucks on the Ulster 22 at the end.

Clegg

ROG was awful when he came on.

On the plus side Keatley and Jackson had decent games.

We have three good prospects vying to be Sextons understudy for Ireland.

donfers

Munster

disappointed with the ravenhill crowd at times, booing when there was no need for it, booing the excellent Keatley drop-goal, never saw that kind of thing before in rugby - does that happen often up there, boo all you like if something untoward is going on, but booing a good piece of play is just stupid in my opinion

i also think that Rolland was very kind to them in the second half and still the constant pressurising of the ref

having said all that, overall they probably deserved the win but some of the booing at times was mystifying

BBDBB

GerM wrote: »

The ball was on the 22 for a number of phases. That's standard drop goal territory. His shots last year against Castres and N'hampton were both from outside the 10m line. They were world class strikes but this had far less riding on it. He should have screamed for it and had a bash. I think most of us would have fancied him to nail it. Good work on the Ulster chase when the ball did come back later on.

true, but it was messy ball, in a messy field, not a clean quick ball on the back of a significant gain towards the 2 with teh defenders all back and spreading wider

Cpt_Blackbeard

GerM wrote: »

There was nothing in it whatsoever, Capt. There are about half a dozen incidents in any match similar by players holding others back off the ball, throwing the ball away, shoving them etc. 80% of the time the official would take them over with their captains, give a talk and leave it at that. It would have been similar to Hurley getting a penalty against for pulling Trimble back by the collar minutes earlier which would have been equally undeserved where Trimble reacted to something. Roles were reversed, ball was out of play this time and TJ decided to make a call.

There were two incidents of Trimble pulling out the handbags against the same player. The first instance should have been a penalty for excessive retaliation and he should have seen yellow for continuing his petty squabble with Hurley.

thomond2006 wrote: »

ROG is ROG, he can do what he likes!

Everyone expects handbags from ROG. He generally doesn't/can't harm anyone, so its easier to turn a blind eye.

He wasn't great when he came on, but I don't think he was as bad as many here are saying. I doubt he would have come on if Laulala didn't pick up a knock; his injury really disrupted our backline.

GerM

donfers wrote: »

disappointed with the ravenhill crowd at times, booing when there was no need for it, booing the excellent Keatley drop-goal, never saw that kind of thing before in rugby - does that happen often up there, boo all you like if something untoward is going on, but booing a good piece of play is just stupid in my opinion

Yes, it's a regular feature but, if you venture to Ravers, it's all in good humour. It's like going to a panto. They're the best banter overall out of any away ground I've been to. Comes across badly on TV but if you head there you'll get a different impression.

thomond2006

Clegg wrote: »

ROG was awful when he came on.

On the plus side Keatley and Jackson had decent games.

We have three good prospects vying to be Sextons understudy for Ireland.

[Jackass]

Munster

I think Keatley has been the stand out player so far this season in terms of quality of rugby produced vs expectations. This was my first time seeing Jackson this season, thought he was excellent also. And Madigan was superb last week. Good times.

Cpt_Blackbeard

donfers wrote: »

disappointed with the ravenhill crowd at times, booing when there was no need for it, booing the excellent Keatley drop-goal, never saw that kind of thing before in rugby - does that happen often up there, boo all you like if something untoward is going on, but booing a good piece of play is just stupid in my opinion

Never been there, but its always like that on tv. Most of the crowd seem to boo and jeer every decision that doesn't go their way, no matter how blatant.

donfers

Munster

GerM wrote: »

Yes, it's a regular feature but, if you venture to Ravers, it's all in good humour. It's like going to a panto. They're the best banter overall out of any away ground I've been to. Comes across badly on TV but if you head there you'll get a different impression.

fair enough if it's not done maliciously but as you say it does come across badly on tv

GerM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

There were two incidents of Trimble pulling out the handbags against the same player. The first instance should have been a penalty for excessive retaliation and he should have seen yellow for continuing his petty squabble with Hurley.

That's essentially one rule for Hurley and another for Trimble. Both have incidents of instigating and reacting to an incident but both should have gone in favour of Hurley....even the incident he instigated? Fair enough!

donfers

Munster

[Jackass] wrote: »

I think Keatley has been the stand out player so far this season in terms of quality of rugby produced vs expectations. This was my first time seeing Jackson this season, thought he was excellent also. And Madigan was superb last week. Good times.

add jj hanrahan to that list

great win for munster a against a strong ulster a

Cpt_Blackbeard

[Jackass] wrote: »

I think Keatley has been the stand out player so far this season in terms of quality of rugby produced vs expectations. This was my first time seeing Jackson this season, thought he was excellent also. And Madigan was superb last week. Good times.

JJ Hanrahan too must have put in a good showing for Munster A, because he got the win with a try and conversion afaik.

Its crazy when you compare Jackson's and Hanrahan's form at U20, and you see that Jackson is first choice for Ulster while Hanrahan is 4th in the pecking order in Munster.

thomond2006

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Its crazy when you compare Jackson's and Hanrahan's form at U20, and you see that Jackson is first choice for Ulster while Hanrahan is 4th in the pecking order in Munster.

Hanrahan has much better players to compete with than Jackson does. It's not Jackson's fault.

Cpt_Blackbeard

GerM wrote: »

That's essentially one rule for Hurley and another for Trimble. Both have incidents of instigating and reacting to an incident but both should have gone in favour of Hurley....even the incident he instigated? Fair enough!

How?

Hurley held back Trimble who over-reacted with numerous punches. Hurley takes the ball into touch, Trimble over-reacts by throwing him into the advertising hoardings.

Clegg

I think ROG was trying his hardest to show Penney that he isn't just a one dimensional kicker and that he can fit into the new Munster system.

He failed miserably at that.

thomond2006

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

How?

Hurley held back Trimble who over-reacted with numerous punches. Hurley takes the ball into touch, Trimble over-reacts by throwing him into the advertising hoardings.

He pushed him, he didn't throw him.

Anyway, it didn't affect the result in the end.

justsomebloke

Both Hurley and trimble should of been in the bin for the end

Scioch

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

How?

Hurley held back Trimble who over-reacted with numerous punches. Hurley takes the ball into touch, Trimble over-reacts by throwing him into the advertising hoardings.

Punches ? He hit Hurleys arm to make him let go of him so he could rejoin the play. Hurley responded by throwing a dig.

Then Hurley walked the ball to the hoardings and throws it over, gets a little push for his trouble, Hurley turns to throw a punch, Trimble stands back, the hand bags erupt between others and it escalates.

Hurley at fault for both incidents.

bilston

Munster

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

JJ Hanrahan too must have put in a good showing for Munster A, because he got the win with a try and conversion afaik.

Its crazy when you compare Jackson's and Hanrahan's form at U20, and you see that Jackson is first choice for Ulster while Hanrahan is 4th in the pecking order in Munster.

Well then if Hanrahan is that good Munster should pick him as Jackson just helped guide Ulster to victory over Munster!

For the record I think Hanrahan will be a terrific 12, I'm less convinced he'll be a terrific 10 but there you go...

Benny Cake

Munster

Scioch wrote: »

Punches ? He hit Hurleys arm to make him let go of him so he could rejoin the play. Hurley responded by throwing a dig.

Then Hurley walked the ball to the hoardings and throws it over, gets a little push for his trouble, Hurley turns to throw a punch, Trimble stands back, the hand bags erupt between others and it escalates.

Hurley at fault for both incidents.

Just when I thought the one-eyed-ness, on both sides, had reached its peak, you come up with this gem....

bilston

Munster

justsomebloke wrote: »

Both Hurley and trimble should of been in the bin for the end

You're kidding? If that warranted a yellow card for either player then Rugby isn't the sport I thought it was!

Redsock

Munster

Regarding the booing, I think the ravers crowd were venting their frustration at Rolland. Not for the first time'we' felt that his interpretations were shafting us. Where I was standing the crowd were very respectful of the kickers.