Ign Top 100 rpg games

richymcdermott

has to be one of the worst selection of games i have ever seen , apparently according to ign kingdom hearts 2 is better than persona 3 and 4 WTF also legend of dragoon is better than phantasy star

the list is half complete , i have a feeling ff 13 is going to be in the list somehow

http://ie.ign.com/top/rpgs

calex71

Really irks me when sites post these lists and think it's a good idea to put each item on it's own page so you have to click through each one :mad:

Andy!!

Yeah, it's all because of advertising etc. ****y practice if you ask me, I refuse to go through them as a result.

And FFVIII better be at the top of that list, all I'm sayin' ;P

I usually just wait until it's complete, click on #1, go "hrm" and then just leave it.

balkieb2002

calex71 wrote: »

Really irks me when sites post these lists and think it's a good idea to put each item on it's own page so you have to click through each one :mad:

Seems to the be new thing to post lists like this.... due to size of the paragraphs they could have had a least 4-5 per page.

Also from flicking through some of the list I am shocked and confused at some of the placings (and even some of the game included), which is not really surprising considering that's all these lists are meant to do.

Only good thing about them is I may discover something I've not played or heard about but pointless putting is some kind of random numerical order.

Also can't wait to hear what Retr0gamer has to say about these

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EDIT: Btw here is the list so far for easier viewing

100 - Ys Book I & II
99 - Lunar: Eternal Blue
98 - Shadow Hearts: Covenant
97 - Final Fantasy VIII
96 - Phantasy Star
95 - The Legend of Dragoon
94 - Vagrant Story
93 - Tales of Phatansia
92 - Diablo III
91 - Fable II
90 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
89 - Fallout: New Vegas
88 - Final Fantasy IX
87 - Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
86 - Shadowrun
85 - Breath of Fire III
84 - Kingdom Hearts
83 - Fire Emblem
82 - Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven
81 - Dragon Warrior VII
80 - Dungeon Master
79 - Icewind Dale 2
78 - The Witcher 2
77 - Tales of Symphonia
76 - Illusion of Gaia
75 - Front Mission 3
74 - Wizardry 8
73 - Final Fantasy
72 - Grandia 2
71 - The Bard's Tale
70 - Demon's Souls
69 - Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
68 - Kingdom Hearts 2
67 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
66 - Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
65 - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
64 - Final Fantasy X
63 - Skies of Arcadia
62 - The World Ends With You
61 - Chrono Cross
60 - EVE Online
59 - Phantasy Star IV
58 - Freedom Force
57 - Mass Effect 2
56 - Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
55 - Monster Hunter Tri
54 - Neverwinter Nights 2
53 - Ultima VII
52 - Odin Sphere
51 - Wild Arms
50 - Golden Sun
49 - Dragon Quest V
48 - Tales of Destiny
47 - Xenogears
46 - Pool of Radiance
45 - Disgaea
44 - Suikoden II
43 - Valkyria Chronicles
42 - Lunar: Silver Star Story
41 - Xenoblade Chronicles
40 - Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
39 - Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
38 - Phantasy Star II
37 - Guild Wars
36 - Shining Force II
35 - Pokemon Black/White
34 - Fallout
33 - Ultima Online
32 - The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind
31 - Neverwinter Nights
30 - Jade Empire
29 - Dragon Warrior
28 - Fallout 2
27 - Dragon Quest VIII
26 - Ultima IV
25 - Deus Ex
24 - Baldur's Gate
23 - Phantasy Star Online
22 - Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
21 - Super Mario RPG

gizmo

Diablo III in there at all?

The Witcher 2 at 78?

Mass Effect 2 above Demon's Souls?

Freedom Force at 58?

They can **** right off.

Retr0gamer

Terrible list but then again it's IGN. Stuff like Legend of Dragoon and FF Tactics Advance should be on worst RPG ever lists. Kingdom Hearts 2 better than Persona 3 and 4? Actually why is KH on the list and why are Persona 3 and 4 higher. You can bet Final Fantasy VII will be number 1 or close to it and Deus Ex and System Shock 2 left off it. FFVII isn't even the best FF or PS1 RPG. Chrono Cross and Xenogears on the list? Have they played these overhyped games recently? Way too much Japanese stuff as well with the western RPGs just added to be name checked it seems. I can see Mass Effect and the pretty mediocre Dragon Age games placing highly. Mass Effect is good but better than the true classic Western RPGs? I doubt it. Odin Sphere at 52? I like the game but it has problems. Where's the first Grandia? Etrian Odyssey? Nocturne? I can bet they'll leave some of those classics off the list. I see Dragon Warrior VII on there as well, which is considered one of the worst entries in the series.

Burning Eclipse

Final Fantasy IX in 88th place and Skies of Arcadia in 63rd tells me all I need to know about this list.

gizmo

CoD4: Modern Warfare at #1.

Calling it now.

RedXIV

Retr0 is gonna bust a nut when he see's Legend of Dragoon included in any list that has "best RPGs" in the title

It's a strange one alright, defintely some confusing placements. Little bit disappointed with the low score for FFIX, especially since I've played a good few of those higher and they disappointed compared to FFIX.

Also, 100% behind the hatred for lists that have a single entry per page

FortuneChip

Any wagers on Number 1?

I imagine Dark Souls, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy VII, Fallout 3 and Skyrim will all be in the Top 10

Retr0gamer

RedXIV wrote: »

Retr0 is gonna bust a nut when he see's Legend of Dragoon included in any list that has "best RPGs" in the title

It belongs on a worst ever list not a best ever list. Even IGN's own review is less than glowing, getting a 7 when every other RPG at the time got at the very least a high 8 in IGN regardless of quality.

FortuneChip

FortuneChip wrote: »

Any wagers on Number 1?

I imagine Dark Souls, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy VII, Fallout 3 and Skyrim will all be in the Top 10

If Dark Souls gets in the Top #10 then I've given up on IGN. ME3 probably deserves to be there, but Skyrim.. perhaps not? If Oblivion isn't higher than Skyrim, then there's something wrong. Same with Mass Effect 1.

Doctor_Socks

Chrono cross instead of chrono trigger, good old IGN being brain dead again

Burning Eclipse

Deleted User wrote: »

If Dark Souls gets in the Top #10 then I've given up on IGN. ME3 probably deserves to be there, but Skyrim.. perhaps not? If Oblivion isn't higher than Skyrim, then there's something wrong. Same with Mass Effect 1.

I don't follow... Reading your post it seems like you don't think Dark Souls should be in the top 10, and you think Oblivion is better than Skyrim... But surely neither of those is the case

Nody

And I bet Eye of the Beholder 1, 2 or 3 will not make it on the list all; nor will the likes of Betrayl of Krondor, Lands of Lore or other proper DOS era RPGs

*edit* I wonder if even Baldurs Gate, Ultima, Fallout 1, Might & Magic, Stonekeep (3d image on box!) etc. will make it either...

In fact I think I'll need to put in a full EoB1 to 3 replay session now after this nostalgia trip...

Retr0gamer

Dark Souls should definitely be in the top 10, probably the best RPG in a long time.

Earthbound and Mother 3 better be there. They'll probably just name check some old DOS RPGs like Planescape and Baldur's Gate.

Retr0gamer

I notice Wizardry 8 in there as well? Didn't everyone hate that entry into the series?

Azza

Only played ME2, Witcher 2 and Valkyria Chronicles on that list.

All good games, but I don't really consider ME2 an RPG. Just a very good if slightly repetitive 3rd person shooter.

Witcher 2 was fantastic.

VC was very good but the A.I was pretty poor and the made beating the game a matter of trial and error. Also the Japanese story telling method of mixing adult/childish topics and adult/childish dialogue is a little off putting.

gizmo

Deleted User wrote: »

If Dark Souls gets in the Top #10 then I've given up on IGN. ME3 probably deserves to be there, but Skyrim.. perhaps not? If Oblivion isn't higher than Skyrim, then there's something wrong. Same with Mass Effect 1.

In the Top 10 RPGs of all time? :eek:

Magill

Deleted User wrote: »

If Dark Souls gets in the Top #10 then I've given up on IGN. ME3 probably deserves to be there, but Skyrim.. perhaps not? If Oblivion isn't higher than Skyrim, then there's something wrong. Same with Mass Effect 1.

Darksouls is at least 4.3 times better than ME3.

gizmo

gizmo wrote: »

In the Top 10 RPGs of all time? :eek:

Hence probably. I doubt it will be, perhaps in the 20s, but ME1 should be in the teens, if not in the top 10.

danthefan

Fable better than Vagrant Story. Wow.

gizmo

Deleted User wrote: »

Hence probably. I doubt it will be, perhaps in the 20s, but ME1 should be in the teens, if not in the top 10.

The word I have issue with in that post is "deserves".

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was up there but it most certainly doesn't deserve to be anywhere near that position.

humanji

Ah lists. Why not just say "Here's a list of 100 RPG's in no particular order"? They can claim they had a set of rules to go by, but it's all down to their personal opinion which renders the objectivity of the exercise pointless Sure if I was in charge, Dark Souls would be in the 90's and Ultima 7 would be #1, and I'm fairly sure I'd be the only one who thinks that.

Is this just a weak marketing ploy by IGN who think that even bad press is better than no press?

Helix

quite why people still get upset by the order of games in lists baffles me

Retr0gamer

Helix wrote: »

quite why people still get upset by the order of games in lists baffles me

Some inconsistencies are expected but some professionalism is also expected and when it comes to IGN it's always facepalm city.

Anyway it would be boring if we all agreed.

Andy!!

RedXIV wrote: »

Retr0 is gonna bust a nut when he see's Legend of Dragoon included in any list that has "best RPGs" in the title

If it's one thing the vast majority of us can agree upon is regarding Legends of Dragoon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnun8y7r8_U

noodler

I think ME2/3 deserve to be in the top 30 fi we are going to class them as RPGs.

I think Fallout New Vegas should be higher as well. No doubt Fallout 3, Oblivion and Skyrim will be higher but New Vegas was the one I really loved.

As much as I loved Valkyria Chronicles I am not sure I would rate it higher than FFX.

But thats all sttupid details cos all thew posts are going to be crap if its all "x should be higher than y".

Hoping for a Dark Souls top 15 at least.

richymcdermott

i dont think mass effect should be on the list cause i dont count it as a rpg

we might aswell put zelda in the rpg list if that's the case

balkieb2002

richymcdermott wrote: »

i dont think mass effect should be on the list cause i dont count it as a rpg

Mass effect in my view is an action/rpg (well the first one is anyway).

You should also note on how they picked their list

The Top 100 RPGs of All Time list celebrates the games that we believe most accurately exemplify the tenants of the role-playing game genre: building characters based on experience earned in the game, scaling combat based on the statistics of weapons, armor and abilities, making decisions - good or bad - that impact the game world. These core fundamentals make up the heart and soul of the RPG, and it is with these values as our guide that we present to you IGN's Top 100 RPGs of All Time.

Sounds like Mass Effect to me.