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When will the Muslim world relax?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    What im trying to say is that it is difficult if you want to be on the prayer mat five times a day - not that its impossible or anything - i dont think it is.
    How is it any different to taking a cigarette break?

    From what I understand anyway, only two, at most three of these prayers will intersect the working day.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    What im trying to say is that it is difficult if you want to be on the prayer mat five times a day - not that its impossible or anything - i dont think it is.
    Have you ever been to an "islamic" country?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    What im trying to say is that it is difficult if you want to be on the prayer mat five times a day - not that its impossible or anything - i dont think it is.

    :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Its not as (.........)to an employer etc..

    Not that you'd just generalise using the extremes, or anything.
    Its not a mistruth,and there is no scaremongering,im just saying what i have read so far in Ayaan Hirsi Alis book infidel,and she is an ex muslim.She states that muslim schools teach hateful things about jews and infidels,are you going to call that a lie too?
    ..

    All muslim schools? Really?

    And Ms Hirsi Ali is not exactly the best standard if you want to start talking about truth and lies.
    So that makes the muslim religion okay to spread and teach hate of others?
    ..

    It's context. Secondly, you've yet to establish how widespread this alleged practice is.
    Im not spreading mistruths,you keep saying that but have nothing to back it up
    ..

    You made the assertion, its for you to prove it.

    Middle class muslims that have embraced capitalism,and would be viewed as lay muslims,or non practicing muslims,as to have a full time job,they wouldnt be on the prayer mat five times a day..
    ..

    ...and behold, the most stupid statement of the thread so far.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Some christians step up to the plate! Yay!

    Hard to know how many comments are just trolling though. Haven't seen any gratuitous offence-taking from FTBer's yet either, but I assume it's only a matter of time.

    Dr. Pepper 'Evolution Of Flavor' Ad Sparks Backlash From Christians On Facebook

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/dr-pepper-evolution-ad-backlash-christians-facebook_n_1882066.html#slide=1520094
    HufPo wrote:
    Controversy has erupted over the latest Dr. Pepper ad dubbed "The Evolution of Flavor," with a small, but vocal minority of commenters on Facebook posting complaints about the ad's evolution motif.

    The comments began after the ad appeared on the soft drink's official Facebook page Thursday afternoon.

    "I love Dr. Pepper but hate this photo," wrote Kara Duran, "Forget evolution... Jesus all the way!" "Well, there goes my support for this company," Jolynn Danae Pilapil wrote.

    Others took no issue with the ad, but reaffirmed their beliefs that evolution is "a false theory." Word of the complaints hit the Reddit, and an image of the ad was posted to the sub-section of the social news site devoted to the discussion of atheism. It rose to the site's front page within three hours.

    At time of writing, the ad on Dr. Pepper's Facebook page had received more than 140,000 "likes," more than 900 comments, and had been shared more than 900 times.

    However, it's worth noting that the majority of discussion in the Facebook comments did not appear to center on evolution. Many commenters reacted positively to the ad, calling it humorous or stating their love of Dr. Pepper, while others simply made fun of it. Some criticized the drink (and sugary soft drinks in general) for contributing to the spread of diabetes.

    But this is not the first Dr. Pepper ad to spark controversy.

    Last year, Dr. Pepper drew criticism for its campaign for Dr. Pepper Ten, a low-calorie soft drink that was so aggressively marketed toward men, that some people thought it was sexist toward women.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,084 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I didn't like Hillary Clinton's comments about the islam movie. She should be supporting american peoples right to freedom of speech, she should have kept her personal feelings to herself.

    Worst thing the west can do is appease these nut jobs.

    Support free speech but she should shut it :rolleyes:. Is there a limit to free speech though I have not seen the movie but by all I have read and heard he went way past free speech. But I do agree that we should not appease the extremists


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    So nodin you completely deny there is a problem with the muslim religion teaching hatred??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    So nodin you completely deny there is a problem with the muslim religion teaching hatred??

    What kind of half arsed crap are you slinging out there? You started off with "muslim schools" teaching hatred, now its the "muslim religion"? What "muslim religion"? The Sunni, the Shia, the Sufi, the Alevi? Or one of their sects? Try making a statement that somehow relates to reality, not some dumbed down Daily Mail generalisation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 BaBaBluesheep


    Christmas2012..you sound like the sort of person who would deliberately start a conversation with a muslim bcos it's your christian duty to save them from eternal damnation but your arguments were probably thrashed so you decided that THEY tried converting you(bet you found them convincing, if only a little)..you didn't answer the question you've been asked..have you yourself read the book you're touting?..

    forgotten what else I was going to write.,..i'll be back in a minute


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Christmas2012, you need to start producing something on this thread other than nefarious generalisations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    My Housemate is Muslim... He seems ok... he sometimes gets freaked out thou when i Listen to Cradle of filth at 4am on full volume. Apart from that hes pretty calm:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 BaBaBluesheep


    btw catholic schl text books still aren't much better, stereotyping almost subliminally...some of the stories in their reading zone books (folens.ie)make for v uncomfortable reading even for me..nevermind a muslim child being raised here...my least favourite is one in the 5th class bk...also how can any of us expect muslim countries to be 'developed' when they keep being bombed back in to the dark ages..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    BaBaBluesheep,Yes,i have read the book infidel,by ayaan hirsi ali,and im starting now on nombad the follow on book from infidel.I have found her perspective interesting,and different given the fact she did live a muslim life,before denouning her religion..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    Yes,i have read the book infidel,by ayaan hirsi ali,and im starting now on nombad the follow on book from infidel.I have found her perspective interesting,and different given the fact she did live a muslim life,before denouning her religion..



    Yet she doesn't suggest that all muslims must carry the blame for the behaviour of radicals. In much the same way the majority of christians don't for the likes of Pat Robertson or Ken Ham.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,084 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    ronan45 wrote: »
    My Housemate is Muslim... He seems ok... he sometimes gets freaked out thou when i Listen to Cradle of filth at 4am on full volume. Apart from that hes pretty calm:P

    You would not want to know what i would do:D and I aint muslim


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ronan45 wrote: »
    My Housemate is Muslim... He seems ok... he sometimes gets freaked out thou when i Listen to Cradle of filth at 4am on full volume. Apart from that hes pretty calm:P

    You could play Cat Stevens new stuff at 4am at full blast and I'd say he'd get freaked out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    Christmas, My Grandfather was Muslim, He was the kindest man I ever met. He married a Christian woman in a Christian ceremony. He had his beliefs and respected hers.
    Tbh I think you are talking nonsense


  • Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭juanjo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Gbear wrote: »
    While it's obvious that most muslims are decent people in general they're quite clearly less decent than religious people in the developed world.

    Holy christ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    I'm an American and can plainly see the failed foreign policy that America has pursued. I understand the grievances that the Islamic world has against us and would strongly support many causes that they champion, i.e. Palestine, anti imperialism etc... That being said I'm sick of these protestors breaching our embassies and the muppet "governments" that continue to allow this carry on.

    Something needs to be done and the countries that aren't protecting our embassies need to be held to account.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    robindch wrote: »
    I imagine because in many of the countries where protests are occurring, no publications or broadcasts are made without explicit government approval, hence many will believe that the US government is directly to blame. Alternatively, the local mullahs are there just stirring the pot and the lads decide to go out and sort out the closest Americans they can find.Because it's not in the interest of religious leaders that it does.

    Another point is that often a lot of people who don't live in a democracy don't quite understand the reality of the system. If they hear that America is a country run by it's people they may often take a very literal version of that and believe that American government and military actions are sanctioned by all Americans.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Very much so and I'd echo decimatio's take on not painting all adherents with the same brush, however the Mexican and SA crime rates have absolutely nothing to do with some religious interpretation, even in a sideways manner like in Northern Ireland. Kinda apples and oranges comparison wise.

    Put it another way if Libya was a christian country would they be killing people over this? Sure you get the whackjobs in the US attacking abortion clinics and trying to turn education back a century, but not nearly to the degree seen in the Islamic world, especially in the Arab Islamic world(your Malays for example seem significantly more levelheaded on average).

    Now Christians have killed millions, hell Buddhists have killed a fair few throughout history, however they really had to bend their own rules to do so. Neither Jesus, nor Buddha killed people, nor had people killed. One ws executed, the other lived into old age preaching. Both were poor(or ended up that way). Muhammed, on the other hand if we're to take the various biographies of him did have people killed and led an army of conquest and pillage and slavery(setting down rules on how to prosecute such things). That's a helluva difference and that background makes it a lot easier for adherents to act the maggot, even if the majority, the vast majority don't. Even that vast majority because of this background may tacitly turn a blind eye even grudgingly support the nutters, especially in the face of western aggression.

    True. But there might also be a sense of having to, fit in. Conform. "You're either with us, or against us!"

    Remember when that lovely man Kim Jong Il passed away, sadly, just last year. The outpouring of faux grief that followed was Orwellian in nature. I'm not saying that Egyptian, Libyans and Saudis are the same as North Koreans, but there are similarities. The Saudis have their religious police. There's also a high price to pay for apostasy.
    In November 2005, Iranian convert Ghorban Tourani was stabbed to death by a group of fanatical Muslims. A 2010 poll by Pew Research Center showed that 86% of Muslims in Jordan, 30% in Indonesia, 76% in Pakistan, 6% in Lebanon and 51% of Nigerian Muslims agree with death penalty for leaving Islam.

    I would be terrified of a group of fanatical muslims. Like a pack of musky smelling, rabid dogs with curly swords screaming "Alalalalalalalalalalala!"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I'm an American and can plainly see the failed foreign policy that America has pursued. I understand the grievances that the Islamic world has against us and would strongly support many causes that they champion, i.e. Palestine, anti imperialism etc... That being said I'm sick of these protestors breaching our embassies and the muppet "governments" that continue to allow this carry on.

    Something needs to be done and the countries that aren't protecting our embassies need to be held to account.

    I agree with what youre saying,and i do see there are greviances over certain issues like the palestine one,and the destabilised government of iraq,yes saddam was a nut,but at least there was infracstructure and jobs,what is there now,just car bombs,no jobs,and people on a daily basis being shot and maimed.There is an apparent sense of lawlessness that wasnt there before..

    The american embassies shouldnt be there interfering,and so on in the first place,i understand there are embassies everywhere,but there has been warmongering and interference in a lot of muslim countries..

    I think what the americans should do is pull out all help and see how the muslims far out,i think NATO and the UN should also pull out and leave them fend for themselves,they do so much b1tch!ng about american presence,why not pull out,save yourself millions and dont get a bad rap for foreign policy,as with foreign policy there is a saying,you can never win..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Yet she doesn't suggest that all muslims must carry the blame for the behaviour of radicals. In much the same way the majority of christians don't for the likes of Pat Robertson or Ken Ham.


    where did pat roberston or ken ham extert total unquestioned control over the christian world,to the extent mullahs and ayatollahs do..


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 joncon45


    They will relax when they become civilised...They are still living in the dark ages and will be as long as they belive in all that superstitious mumbo jumbo they read in the Koran....


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    where did pat roberston or ken ham extert total unquestioned control over the christian world,to the extent mullahs and ayatollahs do..
    That wasn't even near the point. The point was there are radicals in every organisation that do not reflect the beliefs of the majority.
    joncon45 wrote: »
    They will relax when they become civilised...They are still living in the dark ages and will be as long as they belive in all that superstitious mumbo jumbo they read in the Koran....
    I know another culture where a majority of the population claim to believe in obvious mumbo jumbo. So unless we're "uncivilised" in Ireland there must be more to it than that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    where did pat roberston or ken ham extert total unquestioned control over the christian world,to the extent mullahs and ayatollahs do..


    Yes, you've obviously a vast knowledge of the world of Islam allright.

    You didn't get back to me on this....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80767870&postcount=59


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Take that kfc, that will learn them!


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Yet she doesn't suggest that all muslims must carry the blame for the behaviour of radicals. In much the same way the majority of christians don't for the likes of Pat Robertson or Ken Ham.
    That's not actually true. Hirsi Ali is an insane Islamophobe and as such should not be promoted by Atheist Ireland.
    Reason: Should we acknowledge that organized religion has sometimes sparked precisely the kinds of emancipation movements that could lift Islam into modern times? Slavery in the United States ended in part because of opposition by prominent church members and the communities they galvanized. The Polish Catholic Church helped defeat the Jaruzelski puppet regime. Do you think Islam could bring about similar social and political changes?

    Hirsi Ali: Only if Islam is defeated. Because right now, the political side of Islam, the power-hungry expansionist side of Islam, has become superior to the Sufis and the Ismailis and the peace-seeking Muslims.

    Reason: Don’t you mean defeating radical Islam?

    Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace.

    Reason: We have to crush the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, “defeat Islam”?

    Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways.
    Continued: http://reason.com/archives/2007/10/10/the-trouble-is-the-west/singlepage


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    BaBaBluesheep,Yes,i have read the book infidel,by ayaan hirsi ali,and im starting now on nombad the follow on book from infidel.I have found her perspective interesting,and different given the fact she did live a muslim life,before denouning her religion..
    I hate to burst your bubble but you are being duped by a con-artist who takes advantage of your prejudices to line her pockets. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (<--- not even her real name!") is a liar and a fraud who was exposed by a Dutch documentary crew.



    Parts 2,3 and 4 also available on youtube. Enjoy.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Ayaan Hirisi Ali may have lied about her identity and true intentions for being in holland,she said she was fleeing persecution, a lie, she told,a lie many,many foreigners tell to get into holland and ireland every single day of the week.Im not condoning it or saying its right,but its not a reflection of her true character,she has uncovered a lot of unpalatable truths about islam and muslims and how they follow their book and live by it,regardless of the many flaws in it..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ayaan .............many flaws in it..

    You have yet to get back to me on this.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80767870&postcount=59

    Any reason at all for that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I hate to burst your bubble but you are being duped by a con-artist who takes advantage of your prejudices to line her pockets. Ayaan Hirsi Ali (<--- not even her real name!") is a liar and a fraud who was exposed by a Dutch documentary crew.



    Parts 2,3 and 4 also available on youtube. Enjoy.
    What did they expose?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Ayaan Hirisi Ali may have lied about her identity and true intentions for being in holland,she said she was fleeing persecution, ... ..
    And she lied about a whole lot more. You've already condemned her family, society and former husband. Why don't you watch the documentary and get their side?
    how they follow their book and live by it,regardless of the many flaws in it..
    Remind you of someone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19602177


    - In the Yemeni capital Sanaa, security forces fired warning shots and water cannon to disperse protesters near the US embassy
    - In the Lebanese city of Tripoli, protesters set fire to a KFC branch, sparking clashes with security forces
    - In Bangladesh, thousands of demonstrators demanded harsh punishment for the film's makers, and burned the American flag
    - In London, about 200 protesters gathered outside the US embassy, burning the US and Israeli flags but there was no violence
    - About 1,000 people joined a protest in the eastern Afghan city of Jalalabad, burning an effigy of US President Barack Obama
    - Thousands of Palestinians demonstrated in the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem
    - In Nigeria, police in the flashpoint northern city of Jos fired live round at a protest outside a mosque
    - There were also protests in eastern Sri Lanka and in the Maldives

    There have been attacks against both UK and German embassies as well. It's one thing to say "Hey, you can't hold all Muslim's responsible for the actions of a few!", but it would be pretty damn disingenuous to try to ignore the massive and violent protests that have, on several occasions, erupted across the Muslim world in response to nothing more than a person or private group publishing something they find offensive. And while we might be talking about a minority, I don't think that minority is as small as some might like to maintain. The sheer casualness with which some Muslims call for the death penalty for the slightest offense is chilling.

    Of course there is also this:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/12-photos-of-benghazi-citizens-apologizing-to-amer


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    What did they expose?
    See title.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    You have yet to get back to me on this.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...0&postcount=59

    Any reason at all for that?

    They killed a US ambassador,they get plenty of foreign aid,there are UN troops and NATO troops in parts of the muslim world and charities to help out.All they get is the proverbial a kick in the face(if they are lucky if unlucky,lynched and killed).What had that man in the US embassy got to do with an egyptian director of that film that was released about mohammed??NOTHING.

    Ive seen it down through the years,muslims lynching foreginers,based on ignorance and hatred from their book.Anything to do with mohammed and out come the knives..

    They need to relax and take of the hate tinted glasses for once and see that were not the enemy..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    See title.
    O...k... I can't be arsed to watch the documentary.

    What, in your opinion, is the biggest lie they exposed?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    O...k... I can't be arsed to watch the documentary.
    That's you call/loss.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    There have been attacks against both UK and German embassies as well. It's one thing to say "Hey, you can't hold all Muslim's responsible for the actions of a few!", but it would be pretty damn disingenuous to try to ignore the massive and violent protests that have, on several occasions, erupted across the Muslim world in response to nothing more than a person or private group publishing something they find offensive. And while we might be talking about a minority, I don't think that minority is as small as some might like to maintain. The sheer casualness with which some Muslims call for the death penalty for the slightest offense is chilling.

    Valid points you have made so far,if someone were to film something offensive about my god,i honestly wouldnt be screaming hysterically for the death penalty or getting involved in mob lynching and murderous riots..

    I dont think the muslim world will ever relax,i think it has a long way to go,probably 500 years or more,there have been ''moderates'' that have sought to change their holy book the quaran,but there were scholars and imams calling for death to those who attempt this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    That's you call/loss.
    You've watched it presumably? But you're not prepared to save us all 40 minutes and just tell us about them? Even one of them? Riiiight.

    They must be such unbelievably shocking lies that we can't handle them without our heads exploding. As it's so unlike you to be unwilling to share such scandalous information.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    They killed a (......)enemy..

    You know people don't normally "clarify" one wild, generalised ill-informed rant by adding another one.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    You've watched it presumably? But you're not prepared to save us all 40 minutes and just tell us about them? Even one of them? Riiiight.

    They must be such unbelievably shocking lies that we can't handle them without our heads exploding. As it's so unlike you to be unwilling to share such scandalous information.

    No need to get personal. I'll open a thread on it in the near future. I just don't want to discuss it now as it's not the topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    No need to get personal. I'll open a thread on it in the near future. I just don't want to discuss it now as it's not the topic.

    So you didn't watch it then.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    there have been ''moderates'' that have sought to change their holy book the quaran
    No offense, but this never happened and never will happen. You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about. You should get to know some Muslims and then you won't be so paranoid. Call into your local Mosque and make some new friends.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭anthonyos


    nuke them


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you didn't watch it then.
    I have, more than once as it happens.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    anthonyos wrote: »
    nuke them
    Who/why?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    No need to get personal. I'll open a thread on it in the near future. I just don't want to discuss it now as it's not the topic.
    So why did you bring it up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Holy christ...

    In your rush to get offended did you fail to read what I wrote properly?

    Christians don't storm embassies.
    In General means that they have a general tendency to act like more of a bunch of *****.

    Why that happens is a separate issue. It is not up for the debate that Muslims generally act the bollox more than most other people.

    That is not the same as saying "all muslims are evil" or even "all muslims are worse people".
    IN GENERAL!

    Words are important.


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