Pharmacy Only Medicines (PMeds)

nua domhan

In england there is talk of making P medicines available for self selection (on the shop floor). At the minute they are restricted for sale under the supervision of a pharmacist.

These would include probably codeine, higher quantities of painkillers, steroid creams, anti-inflammatory medication and sleeping tablets.

If the same thing was to happen in Ireland would you think it was a good idea?

Colmustard

What the hell a "P"meds,

starbelgrade

Colmustard wrote: »

What the hell a "P"meds,

Stuff for the wimminz when they're on the blob.

AnonoBoy

Of course not.

We'd all be dead within in the day if we could choose things for ourselves.

anhedonia

nua domhan wrote: »

These would include probably codeine, higher quantities of painkillers, steroid creams, anti-inflammatory medication and sleeping tablets.

Sleeping tablets without a script? Doubtful, link to src ?

And I dont consider sedating antihistamines sleeping tablets, but benzodiazepines, zolpidem, zopiclone etc.

bleg

nua domhan wrote: »

In england there is talk of making P medicines available for self selection (on the shop floor). At the minute they are restricted for sale under the supervision of a pharmacist.

These would include probably codeine, higher quantities of painkillers, steroid creams, anti-inflammatory medication and sleeping tablets.

If the same thing was to happen in Ireland would you think it was a good idea?

Any link to a source?

Why would they make sleeping tablets, a very dangerous medication and available on foot of a prescription only, available for self selection.

Post makes no sense...

starbelgrade

starbelgrade wrote: »

Stuff for the wimminz when they're on the blob.

Should be B-meds.

nua domhan

Colmustard wrote: »

What the hell a "P"meds,

Clue's in the title......

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Colmustard

Prescription medicines =P meds got you.

No there is a serious problem emerging out of countries like India and Pakistan where you can get Antibiotics without a prescription. People are under dosing and the microbes are becoming superbugs. This is becoming a worldwide problem, it is possible that we will not have the medical miracle that is the antibiotic if more microbes become immune to our current antibiotics. People taking antibiotics without medical supervision is "one of" the causes of this coming disastrous problems.

Just think how many of us or have a loved one who would be dead without the antibiotic, I know I would have been.

nua domhan

http://pharmacyregulation.org/pharmacy-regulator-agrees-new-standards-pharmacy-owners-and-superintendents

wouldn't be benzo's for self selection, just the sedating antihistamines, which people aren't adverse to getting addicted on.

Motorist

nua domhan wrote: »

http://pharmacyregulation.org/pharmacy-regulator-agrees-new-standards-pharmacy-owners-and-superintendents

wouldn't be benzo's for self selection, just the sedating antihistamines, which people aren't adverse to getting addicted on.

They're handy to take the edge of a drug binge come down.

Colmustard

nua domhan wrote: »

Clue's in the title......

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They are all pharmacy meds, just some are on prescription and some are not.

I hate cryptic OPs with no links to back it up and yes I am thick.

Colmustard

Sleeping tabs and benzos are very addictive and can be abused, I doubt they will become over the counter meds.

nua domhan

Colmustard wrote: »

Prescription medicines =P meds got you.

No there is a serious problem emerging out of countries like India and Pakistan where you can get Antibiotics without a prescription. People are under dosing and the microbes are becoming superbugs. This is becoming a worldwide problem, it is possible that we will not have the medical miracle that is the antibiotic if more microbes become immune to our current antibiotics. People taking antibiotics without medical supervision is "one of" the causes of this coming disastrous problems.

Just think how many of us or have a loved one who would be dead without the antibiotic, I know I would have been.

Nah, you've misunderstood.

There's POM's = prescription only medicines, only available with a prescription like Valium

and PMeds = Pharmacy only medicines, only available in pharmacies (not tesco's or centra's or petrol stations) that are only allowed to be purchased under the supervision of a pharmacist - think stuff behind the counter you have to ask for like solpadeine.

Colmustard

nua domhan wrote: »

Nah, you've misunderstood.

There's POM's = prescription only medicines, only available with a prescription like Valium

and PMeds = Pharmacy only medicines, only available in pharmacies (not tesco's or centra's or petrol stations) that are only allowed to be purchased under the supervision of a pharmacist - think stuff behind the counter you have to ask for like solpadeine.

I give up, I usually just assumed those meds were there for convenient storage. I never had any problem getting them when needed anyway.

Mr Benevolent

Colmustard wrote: »

Sleeping tabs and benzos are very addictive and can be abused, I doubt they will become over the counter meds.

Coffee and alcohol are very addictive and can be abused. Higher social cost too.

3ndahalfof6

get the val on the shelves.

anhedonia

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

get the val on the shelves.

ah yeah, throw some of the more exotic benzos on the shelves too, halcion, mogadon, rohypnol.

Also, bring back barbiturates and put them on the shelves, phenobarbitol, seconal, Quaaludes.

Also, the selection of painkillers these days is fairly scant, bring back Palfium(dextromoramide) and Diconal(Dipipanone), and put them on the shelves.

Putting together a no-holes-barred pharmacy shelf is like a work of art, but requires an encyclopedic knowledge of drugs taken for misery and despair.

Colmustard

There were trials in manchester about putting viagra on the shelves, I don't know how that went.

3ndahalfof6

anhedonia wrote: »

ah yeah, throw some of the more exotic benzos on the shelves too, halcion, mogadon, rohypnol.

Also, bring back barbiturates and put them on the shelves, phenobarbitol, seconal, Quaaludes.

Also, the selection of painkillers these days is fairly scant, bring back Palfium(dextromoramide) and Diconal(Dipipanone), and put them on the shelves.

Putting together a no-holes-barred pharmacy shelf is like a work of art, but requires an encyclopedic knowledge of drugs taken for misery and despair.

it might pave the way for weed to get on the shelves.

SNHSupervisor

anhedonia wrote: »

ah yeah, throw some of the more exotic benzos on the shelves too, halcion, mogadon, rohypnol.

Also, bring back barbiturates and put them on the shelves, phenobarbitol, seconal, Quaaludes.

Also, the selection of painkillers these days is fairly scant, bring back Palfium(dextromoramide) and Diconal(Dipipanone), and put them on the shelves.

Putting together a no-holes-barred pharmacy shelf is like a work of art, but requires an encyclopedic knowledge of drugs taken for misery and despair.

There used to be whole criminal gangs dedicated to palfium and diconal. ram-raid the back door with a stolen car with industrial wire cutters in the boot and masks on, smash any CCTV cameras and take the tapes, cut the whole CD cabinet off the floor and get someone else in the gang to open it, sometimes by dynamite. There was plenty in the safe- diamorphine and morphine amps, phy, temazzies after '96, huge numbers of napps (morphine tabs in all different colours and strengths), sevredols, dexies, durophet (black bombers), red devils, blue angels, yellow jackets and Xmas trees (seconal, amytal, nembutal, tuinal- barbiturates), equagesic (meprobamate with paracetamol- a hardcore downer/sleeper intended for use as a muscle relaxant hence the added panadol), temgesics, patches (durogesic fentanyls- mainly for cancer patients), prollies (suppositories of opiate, also for terminal cancer), duromine (slimming speed tabs), sometimes even little pots of pure powdered cocaine.

Then go to sell them at certain "tablet frontlines" like Stoke Newington- sandringham road, Finsbury Park, Picadilly Circus, one street in Nottingham and outside Alexandra Park Shopping Centre in Manchester, moss side (where you could take your pick from heroin, crack, weed or tablets in a huge Zurich Needle Park style "open market" in the early 90s before Plod shut the whole thing down and it moved back to private flats and back streets.)

Very few such gangs still exist and those areas have been cleaned up since, so I'm not revealing anything likely to help people break the law now (the security at pharmacies has increased to make such techniques much more difficult to get away with) but this used to be a terrible problem.

Also palfium caused dozens of fatalities wrongly called "overdoses" because of unpredictable lowering of blood pressure when it was crushed up & injected. The addicts were NOT dying of any sort of overdose, many had had a LOT more heroin/methadone than the equivalent in palfium, even on the same day! They were dying of shock due to the sudden flatlining of BP. Diconal also killed more people by embolisms travelling to brain, heart or lungs from crushed up tablets being injected in a large needle than ever actually overdosed [took more opioid than their system could tolerate and died by respiratory depression]. The worst drug for ACTUAL OD's is none other than the Phy, which is of course the most commonly prescribed to addicts by far.

Realistically I wouldn't like to see Dic and Palf on the shelves, but they should be prescribable again and doctors should offer them to people who are stable or who smoke the brown and so are unlikely to get themselves into the above mentioned trouble with the needle. They are better than Methadone by some way. AND they should bring back Narphen melters and Moraxin non-dissolving anal "tampons" (100mg morphine pure) and Dromoran tablets. The old school hardcore painkillers were less addictive and more reliable than what most people who were on them get now- napps, oxycontins and fentanyl or butrans patches.