Liverpool vs Manchester United 23rd September 2012 K/O 1.30 PM (MOD NOTE #1, #254)

IvySlayer

Well at least it's 10 vs 10 now.

ambid

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Awful refereeing. Not a red card imo.

The instructions to referees are that reckless challenges should be a red. Reckless challenges are interpreted to include a player not being in control of his body by lunging with his full bodyweight at an opponent.

That is communicated to players. Shelvey was dumb to make that challenge.

It doesn't matter whether people think it should be a red or not. Lawmakers decide that challenge is a red so players should comply with that.

Lord TSC

As a United fan, I think it was harsh. BUT if you leave the ground like that, you run the risk of the red...

Grayditch

Suarez looks like he's been working on those frees.

copacetic

mike65 wrote: »

Certainly not a high foot, should be yellow.

Winning the ball with the side of your foot is now a red, nuts. Crazy decision, especially since he has been very slow up to then even to yellow anyone. Letting Evra away with a warning for what was a stonewall yellow.

dRNk SAnTA

I'm a United fan but that red card was shocking. Wtf is the ref doing. It was Evans that went in with two feet! Shelvey's tackle was grand and he got the ball.

Wrecked the match.

greendom

murpho999 wrote: »

So you can't make a sliding tackle anymore?

I thought this was a contact sport?

Sliding implies contact with the ground. The contact with Evans was not on his foot. Not much intent but it was reckless and the red card was correct.

onemorechance

Nice cross Nani!

theavenger

What has the game become, are hard tackles not allowed anymore

Hank Scorpio

10v10 now with giggs still on the pitch

edit: late!

murpho999

CSF wrote: »

Not that sort of contact. Definite red.

Disagree completely.

I worry for the future of the game if that's a red.

Bloody turning into basketball.

Mr. Guappa

Shelvey left his feet.. He gave the ref a decision to make. It was a harsh red but there is always that chance of red when you go in like he did.

IvySlayer

Giggs for Scholes please.

IvySlayer

Even with 10 men Liverpool are better.

LOL at Shelvey pointing at SAF!

ShaneScouse

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Shelvey left his feet.. He gave the ref a decision to make. It was a harsh red but there is always that chance of red when you go in like he did.

Did you even see the replay?

el dude

Haha, Shelvey will have won a lot of people over having a right go at Ferdinand and Ferguson.

theavenger

greendom wrote: »

murpho999 wrote: »

So you can't make a sliding tackle anymore?

I thought this was a contact sport?

Sliding implies contact with the ground. The contact with Evans was not on his foot. Not much intent but it was reckless and the red card was correct.

Are two footed tackles allowed?
Because that's how Evans went in.

Leiva

Owen_S wrote: »

Getting the ball is irrelevant in many cases, I don't know why it's even used some arguments.

Oh really??????

What about Evras tackle on Sterling . He got the ball with the man . No foul.

Right decision.

I knew this game would be ruined and called it earlier. Incompetence in the refereeing is rife.

Seaneh

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Shelvey left his feet.. He gave the ref a decision to make. It was a harsh red but there is always that chance of red when you go in like he did.

Evans was off the ground too.

It was a 50/50 and he came off worse and the ref bottled it.

toxicity234

OMG Ref. shocking. Liverpool on top and he had to give utd a hand.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Allen in more of his just passing sideways role??!. Of course he ran 20 yards into space and laid it off in front of him, but someone tell Shearer and his fanboys that....

LuckyLloyd

ambid wrote: »

The instructions to referees are that reckless challenges should be a red. Reckless challenges are interpreted to include a player not being in control of his body by lunging with his full bodyweight at an opponent.

That is communicated to players. Shelvey was dumb to make that challenge.

It doesn't matter whether people think it should be a red or not. Lawmakers decide that challenge is a red so players should comply with that.

That was not a reckless out of control studs up, etc challenge. The sanitisation of the game, and meek acceptance of same by fans who never played sport themselves at a high level, continues at pace. Very unfortunate.

A Dub in Glasgo

That lunge from Shelvey made Evans head expode :pac:

Grayditch

Wonder if Shelvey accused Fergie of buying that one, haha.

Necronomicon

I have to say I was worried when the whistle blew because in real time it looked like Evans made the worse lunge. The replays didn't do anything to convince me otherwise tbh...

monkey9

super_furry wrote: »

That's a shocking decision. How does Era get away with the same thing without a booking and Shelvey is sent off? It wasn't even a yellow.

The way Halsley has reffed the match, he's been overly leniant because of the fixture.

So if he's not booking Evra for that challenge, then Shelvey's surely should be a yellow.

I say it again though, Shelvey was stupid to go in like that.

Hococop

dRNk SAnTA wrote: »

I'm a United fan but that red card was shocking. Wtf is the ref doing. It was Evans that went in with two feet! Shelvey's tackle was grand and he got the ball.

Wrecked the match.

same im a united fan and i thought the red was harsh

GavRedKing

Ferdinands madr some good tackles and interceptions so far.

inmyday

ambid wrote: »

The instructions to referees are that reckless challenges should be a red. Reckless challenges are interpreted to include a player not being in control of his body by lunging with his full bodyweight at an opponent.

That is communicated to players. Shelvey was dumb to make that challenge.

It doesn't matter whether people think it should be a red or not. Lawmakers decide that challenge is a red so players should comply with that.

I dont think many people know the laws of the game on boards.ie.

Ordinary man

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Allen in more of his just passing sideways role??!. Of course he ran 20 yards into space and laid it off in front of him, but someone tell Shearer and his fanboys that....

Once in a season, wow

Paully D

Liverpool really just need to go out and spend money on a ''fox in the box'' type striker. Someone who will stick the ball in the net with one chance.

JaMarcus Hustle

Well, at least our kit is very nice.

el dude

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Shelvey left his feet.. He gave the ref a decision to make. It was a harsh red but there is always that chance of red when you go in like he did.

True, but it's that thing about consistency and the lack thereof. We'll see another one or two tackles like the Shelvey one and there'll be no red card.

Red Crow

Fcuk sake Fergie change it up

Aidric

el dude wrote: »

Haha, Shelvey will have won a lot of people over having a right go at Ferdinand and Ferguson.

Not really. He should show some respect.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Great challenge by Ferdinand there.

newballsplease

Ferdinand has been utds best player.

ShaneScouse

Grayditch wrote: »

Wonder if Shelvey accused Fergie of buying that one, haha.

he wont be wrong, 12v11(or 10) as usuall

IvySlayer

Shelveys reaction

ctrl-alt-delete

Liverpool dominating all over the pitch, United not getting a look in so far, but it is worth nothing with the score still at 0-0.

For the record I think it was a harsh red too, and it has ruined it for Liverpool.

Drumpot

Was a definite red, most felt that luiz should of been sent off yesterday, how does saying that the ref got it wrong by not sending him off make this tackle any less a red?

If I were a pool fan I would be pissed with shelvey for giving the ref a problem!

Incidentally, it was 4-1 for a red in this game! I thought about it!

Doesn't matter how many players are on the park, if united don't learn to make simple passes and hold onto possession, they will not win this game! Shocking stuff, hope Fergie rips the hole off them!

NukaCola

50-50 tackle....poor decision.....very harsh red....Evans didnt help either with his antics....sickening stuff

Thanx 4 The Fish

Ordinary man wrote: »

Once in a season, wow

Blinkered much?

PHB

These days, if you go in, off your feet, lunging, with two feet, over the top, even if it's a follow through, you're pretty much guaranteed to get a red card.

Whether those should be the rules is up for debate, but those are the rules these days. Ref implemented them properly.

Liverpool had that second half, but couldn't really create any clear cut shots, more close calls. I would imagine 10 v 11 should be easy enough for United, would like Cleverely on to move the ball quicker.

ctrl-alt-delete

Paully D wrote: »

Liverpool really just need to go out and spend money on a ''fox in the box'' type striker. Someone who will stick the ball in the net with one chance.

A Steven Fletcher type player ; )

double GG

ShaneScouse wrote: »

he wont be wrong, 12v11(or 10) as usuall

Pure LOLCATS

IvySlayer

United being bossed, even with an extra man. Need to get Giggs off and put on Scholes. Watch his tackling though.

el dude

We make scoring look so so hard. Whereas United will score with the one good chance they get.

grohlisagod

That red has been coming all season for Shelvey. His tacking is very dodgy.

inmyday

toxicity234 wrote: »

OMG Ref. shocking. Liverpool on top and he had to give utd a hand.

Shocking post. So silly