Romney: Obama voters are the 47% who are dependent on the government

Otacon

Amerika wrote: »

I was a bit skeptical when I read: "increase undesireable (sp) economic inequality, it does not—as Republican rhetoric so frequently claims," which you wrapped, and indicated was something from the Congressional Research Service. Just wanted to know if it is the opinion from Common Dreams – Building Progressive Community that you really wish me to comment about?

He 'wrapped, and indicated' the article was from CRS? By putting the link to the article from CD at the bottom of the quote?

Anyway, instead of commenting on the article, would you like to comment on its subject: Taxes and the Economy: An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945?

Amerika

Otacon wrote: »

Anyway, instead of commenting on the article, would you like to comment on its subject: Taxes and the Economy: An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945?

Sorry, I attempted to read it, but I think you would need a PHD in Economics to fully comprehend it. I would be amiss to try and give astute comments on it.

MadYaker

His comments were truely astonishing. What was he thinking?? (i find myself asking that question a lot in relation to romney) Did he not know it was being recorded? I reckon this is the final nail in the coffin, Obama is in.

FatherTed

I think Mitt has now topped Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair in terms of GOP skrewups. Like the SNL sketch at the weekend, I'm sure Obama and his crew cannot believe their luck. Economy is doing crap and he will still win fairly handily.

Funglegunk

MadYaker wrote: »

His comments were truely astonishing. What was he thinking?? (i find myself asking that question a lot in relation to romney) Did he not know it was being recorded? I reckon this is the final nail in the coffin, Obama is in.

He didn't know he was being recorded. That's why it is being presented as what Romney really thinks of the 47% voters, referring to them as 'moochers' in front of a crowd who paid $50,000 a plate to be there. My guess would be he was playing to that particular crowd quite a bit, but even that exposes a deep cynicism on his part. It's hard to know if the guy actually believes in anything he says at any one time.

MadYaker

Funglegunk wrote: »

My guess would be he was playing to that particular crowd quite a bit, but even that exposes a deep cynicism on his part. It's hard to know if the guy actually believes in anything he says at any one time.

If that were the case then why not just say so rather standing by his comments, which is essentially what he has decided to do. I guess no matter what way he deals with it the outcome isn't good. If he goes back on his comments it cements the view that he is a flip flopper who will say anything. Its been a pretty disasterous campaign for him, I'm no expert on American politics but do you guys thinkhe stands any chance of getting elected now? Even with the stuttering economy?

Amerika

MadYaker wrote: »

Its been a pretty disasterous campaign for him, I'm no expert on American politics but do you guys thinkhe stands any chance of getting elected now? Even with the stuttering economy?

Actually I don't think it will be as close as everyone thinks. I think Romney will win with a pretty big margin.

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MadYaker

I find it depressing that such a person could even get close to the ballot paper. I'm glad I'm not american.

Duck Soup

The full transcript of the unedited tape, direct from Mother Jones. Warning: it's really, really, really long.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/full-transcript-mitt-romney-secret-video

joseph brand

Funglegunk wrote: »

He didn't know he was being recorded. That's why it is being presented as what Romney really thinks of the 47% voters, referring to them as 'moochers' in front of a crowd who paid $50,000 a plate to be there. My guess would be he was playing to that particular crowd quite a bit, but even that exposes a deep cynicism on his part. It's hard to know if the guy actually believes in anything he says at any one time.

Apart from [insert crazy tenets of mormonism], it seems that all he believes in, is acquiring as much money as he can while paying as little tax as he can.

He also believes that a good comb is a man's best friend. (goes inside car, not on roof) :pac:

The Bishop!

Amerika wrote: »

Just wanted to know if it is the opinion from Common Dreams – Building Progressive Community that you really wish me to comment about?

No, it was the CRS report contained within. The one that confirms what the the dogs on the street knew anyway. That Romneys tired wealth-tax cutting mantra actually does nothing to boost saving, investment or productivity. That it's just more vacuous Randian greed dressed up as sound economic theory.

When confronted with these hard facts, it's not surprising that some will hitch up their skirts and head for the exits.
They'd rather spend their time shifting the blame on to the Democrats for the rise of food stamp recipients while blissfully ignoring whose policies caused them to rise in the first place. Or blame them for high unemployment while their party does everything to obstruct attempts to improve it.

Amerika

Duck Soup wrote: »

The full transcript of the unedited tape, direct from Mother Jones. Warning: it's really, really, really long.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/full-transcript-mitt-romney-secret-video

LOL, it might be unedited, but something still is rotten (or missing) in Denmark.

…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4…

[Recording stops.]

Romney: …and about twice as much as China, not 10 times as much like it's reported…

Amerika

MadYaker wrote: »

I find it depressing that such a person could even get close to the ballot paper. I'm glad I'm not american.

Nay on the first part... Yay on the second.

sarumite

joseph brand wrote: »

Apart from [insert crazy tenets of mormonism], it seems that all he believes in, is acquiring as much money as he can while paying as little tax as he can.

He also believes that a good comb is a man's best friend. (goes inside car, not on roof) :pac:

Honeslty I can't blame him on a personal level. I would like to earn more money and pay less taxes myself. If I could do so, I would.

Amerika

sarumite wrote: »

Honeslty I can't blame him on a personal level. I would like to earn more money and pay less taxes myself. If I could do so, I would.

If people were really honest, they'd admit they would do the same.

joseph brand

Amerika wrote: »

If people were really honest, they'd admit they would do the same.

Warren Buffett wouldn't. Although he's probably been labelled a Chechen Communist, by GOP supporters, for admitting that he pays too little tax.

Amerika

joseph brand wrote: »

Warren Buffett wouldn't. Although he's probably been labelled a Chechen Communist, by GOP supporters, for admitting that he pays too little tax.

Warren Buffet could have always utilized this to pay more taxes than he legally owed. And if he did, wouldn’t you think he would be touting every time he speaks about willing to pay more?

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454

And I hope all those here from the US who spout off about how we should be paying more taxes, please also take the time to put your money where your mouth is.

Oh yeah, Buffet’s company, Berkshire Hathaway, hasn't paid all their taxes owed in years. They’re continually fighting the IRS so they don't have to pay what is owed.

Mr.Micro

joseph brand wrote: »

Apart from [insert crazy tenets of mormonism], it seems that all he believes in, is acquiring as much money as he can while paying as little tax as he can.

He also believes that a good comb is a man's best friend. (goes inside car, not on roof) :pac:

Looks like he is fond of the hair dye as well. Mr. Vanity.

joseph brand

Amerika wrote: »

Warren Buffet could have always utilized this to pay more taxes than he legally owed. And if he did, wouldn’t you think he would be touting every time he speaks about willing to pay more?

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454

And I hope all those here from the US who spout off about how we should be paying more taxes, please also take the time to put your money where your mouth is.

Oh yeah, Buffet’s company, Berkshire Hathaway, hasn't paid all their taxes owed in years. They’re continually fighting the IRS so they don't have to pay what is owed.

Obviously Romney could teach them a thing or two about tax avoidance. Newbs.

Anyway.

Colbert praises Romney’s ‘no spoilers’ approach to discussing how he’d govern.

In a “The Word” segment entitled “Ask Not,” Colbert asserted that Romney has been quite explicit.

“What are they talking about?” he asked of Romney’s critics. “Romney has given some very specific figures. For instance, he is willing to piss off exactly 47 percent of the voters.”

It’s exciting to watch Romney at this stage of the campaign, the host said, because there’s still so much he has yet to promise to not do.

Btw Amerika. Do you watch either Colbert, Stewart or Maher? I'm guessing you don't, but you might watch Stewart.

Amerika

joseph brand wrote: »

Btw Amerika. Do you watch either Colbert, Stewart or Maher? I'm guessing you don't, but you might watch Stewart.

My regular television watching is pretty much limited to news, politics, history and the better half makes me watch cooking shows if I want to spend "quality" time with her (and she's even more right wing than me). Sometimes I catch Colbert and Stweart on the Comedy Channel if nothing else interests me. I don't have HBO, so I can't watch Maher (there is a God ).

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

sarumite wrote: »

Honeslty I can't blame him on a personal level. I would like to earn more money and pay less taxes myself. If I could do so, I would.

If people were really honest, they'd admit they would do the same.

Who's being dishonest in this scenario? Who's said they want to earn less and pay more?

You do love your straw men.

Amerika

I think I just figured out why the democrats and media are so upset with Romney and what's now being called his infamous 47% speech. It appears Romney seemingly pointed out President Obama's entire campaign strategy... as illustrated in The Life of Julia.

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/

Waestrel

Amerika wrote: »

I think I just figured out why the democrats and media are so upset with Romney and what's now being called his infamous 47% speech. It appears Romney seemingly pointed out President Obama's entire campaign strategy... as illustrated in The Life of Julia.

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/

I fail to see whats so terrible about that. Seems normal enough from a European viewpoint

Amerika

Waestrel wrote: »

Seems normal enough from a European viewpoint

Bingo!

decimatio

Amerika wrote: »

Bingo!

European is bad?

Pkiernan

MadYaker wrote: »

I find it depressing that such a person could even get close to the ballot paper. I'm glad I'm not american.

Fitzgerald, Haughey, Ahern, Cowen, Kenny.

Wonderful, one and all.

:rolleyes:

nagirrac

In a close election where attracting as many voters as possible is key Romney has shot himself in the foot and most sensible Republican commentators have said as much. The reality is the country is moving towards the center and the Republican party is moving to the right on both fiscal issues and social issues. There is no left in America as Europeans understand it and never really has been. The Tea Party was the worst thing that ever happened to the Republicans, they should have run a mile from them. A short term gain in the mid term elections but long term damage. The amount of hateful rhetoric towards a sitting President is unprecedented in US politics and this is backfiring as whatever about his policies Obama is very popular with a large number of Americans. Although the economy is not great it is steadily improving, private sector hiring is reasonably good (it is government that has not been hiring and laying off workers in the past 3 years) and the stock market is in bulllish mode which creates a wealth effect. Obama will will in a landslide.

Duck Soup

Romney still can't decide whether this is a get-out-the-base election or a play for the centre. One moment he's doubling down on his 47% comments, the next he's - rather improbably - talking about how he's all about making life better for the middle class. A football manager once said that any system works so long as the whole team knows what it is and what their jobs are in it.

In political pundit terms, his messaging is all over the place. Severely conservative? Severely moderate? Or just severely confused?

take everything

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/us-elections/sinking-ship-claim-as-romney-campaign-boss-quits-3235828.html

Romney campaign co-chairman quits.

TwoShedsJackson

It's depressing, but really not surprising, to discover that a politician has nothing but contempt for the poor and/or working class. Romney is just getting caught out more often than most.

But what is it with the multi-millionaires that they devote so much time and energy to ranting about how easy the poor have it?