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    #92
    mushykeogh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭mushykeogh


    franktheplank wrote: »
    I don't know, i don't want to rush into blaming AVB, the guy deserves a chance but he seems to keep making the same mistake of putting on an extra DM and sitting back to defend a narrow lead.

    I can't see why he keeps doing this even when it keeps backfiring or almost backfiring. Also i just don't see how this fits with the high line. I though his system was all about pressurizing the opposition in their half and it seems he's doing the exact opposite at critical times.

    Its the AVB way unfortunately, and i cant imagine he will change anytime soon. Mourhino's Chelsea had it perfected to a fine art, and usually nicked a crucial second goal to kill the game off.

    That said, by all reports it sounds like they were completely poxed to win it, thats the way it goes sometimes.


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    #93
    Mullo76
    Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Mullo76


    mushykeogh wrote: »
    Its the AVB way unfortunately, and i cant imagine he will change anytime soon. Mourhino's Chelsea had it perfected to a fine art, and usually nicked a crucial second goal to kill the game off.

    That said, by all reports it sounds like they were completely poxed to win it, thats the way it goes sometimes.

    He needs to cop on to this. They sat off us for the majority of game and let us play, we should have kept going and killed the game off. Whatever about maybe considering a defensive sub against a top side against sides like Norwich and especially considering the way game was going its madness. And Dempseys peno was poison, why can we never have a decent peno taker. Pick best 2 at moment and let them spend an extra 20 mins a day practicing.


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    #94
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭golfball37


    We had a decent penalty taker on the books but replaced him with Clint Dempsey.. I'm still embarrassed about that decision tbh.

    What a pathetic effort, calling it a back pass is doing it too much service.


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    #95
    Mullo76
    Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Mullo76


    golfball37 wrote: »
    We had a decent penalty taker on the books but replaced him with Clint Dempsey.. I'm still embarrassed about that decision tbh.

    What a pathetic effort, calling it a back pass is doing it too much service.
    TBH, I think most professionals, especially attacking players should be able to hit the bottom corner from 12 yards out irrespective of pressure anything else. Its like not clearing the first defender from a corner, these lads are paid crazy money to do this stuff. practice if you cant do it.


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    #96
    Bodie Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Bodie Doyle


    Mullo76 wrote: »
    He needs to cop on to this. They sat off us for the majority of game and let us play, we should have kept going and killed the game off. Whatever about maybe considering a defensive sub against a top side against sides like Norwich and especially considering the way game was going its madness. .



    Totally agree. Why do we do the same in every game? Look at the Man u game, Southampton, Norwich in the laegue, WBA.... We take the lead look in control and then sit back for the remaioneder of the game. AVB likes to play on the break but what about killing teams off.
    Norwich had one shot from outside the box in the first half and did nothing to suggest they were going to win the game until we changed our formation. Really pissed off with AVB and his defensive/negative tactics. Prove you are a good manager and let the players show they are a decent bunch by allowing them to kill off games.


    And on another note did anyone see Siggy last night? What does he do? We sold VDV and bought Siggy to replace him.Not fit to lace vdvs boots.

    So friggin annoyed this morning. The cup was there to be won and we blew it.


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    #97
    gar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭gar


    Bodie Doyle wrote: »
    Totally agree. Why do we do the same in every game? Look at the Man u game, Southampton, Norwich in the laegue, WBA.... We take the lead look in control and then sit back for the remaioneder of the game. AVB likes to play on the break but what about killing teams off.
    Norwich had one shot from outside the box in the first half and did nothing to suggest they were going to win the game until we changed our formation. Really pissed off with AVB and his defensive/negative tactics. Prove you are a good manager and let the players show they are a decent bunch by allowing them to kill off games.


    And on another note did anyone see Siggy last night? What does he do? We sold VDV and bought Siggy to replace him.Not fit to lace vdvs boots.

    So friggin annoyed this morning. The cup was there to be won and we blew it.

    It was the same against Southampton.
    They dominate the game and are under no pressure then seem to lose confidence and just cant apply the necessary pressure when teams attempt to have a go at them...


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    #98
    Mullo76
    Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Mullo76


    Bodie Doyle wrote: »
    So friggin annoyed this morning. The cup was there to be won and we blew it.

    this is the bit for me, people saying its only the league cup. not like we win a lot, 2 more games and you are in the final. big opp missed IMO


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    #99
    mickman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭mickman


    Terrible result from us but we were also unlucky

    does anyone find us really really boring at the moment ?


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    #100
    Leinstersqspur
    Registered Users Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Leinstersqspur


    Ok, I'm as disappointed as the next man considering Norwich played like the away team for most of the game, we should have been home and dry early on.

    IMO Carroll and Siggy were both ineffective, Carroll was a spectator for most of the game. I think he brought on Vert to give a bit of strength and leadership for the last 15mins.

    Our squad is fairly patched together at the moment, we're missing key players since the beginning of the season, so much so we couldn't rotate as much as Norwich last night.

    3pts v Wigan and all is forgiven!


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    #101
    Bodie Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Bodie Doyle


    Mullo76 wrote: »
    this is the bit for me, people saying its only the league cup. not like we win a lot, 2 more games and you are in the final. big opp missed IMO

    We mess up v Maribor or the Greek side and we could be out of the Europa cup also.


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    #102
    Bodie Doyle
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭Bodie Doyle


    mickman wrote: »
    Terrible result from us but we were also unlucky

    does anyone find us really really boring at the moment ?

    Yes. Whats even more frustrating is that we are actually worse at home.


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    #103
    Sugarlumps
    Registered Users Posts: 6,917 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    mickman wrote: »
    Terrible result from us but we were also unlucky

    does anyone find us really really boring at the moment ?

    Bar a couple of 45 minute displays we’ve been pedestrian and lucky. The European games put me to sleep. Usually at home we thrive but not this season. We should be putting these teams to the sword.

    Tottenham will never be defensibly minded, it’s all about attack, or so I thought? Somehow we find ourselves in 4th, just goes to show how poor the other teams are around us. Should be winning these games as it breeds confidence.


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    #104
    mickman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭mickman


    yeah its truly amazing that we are in 4th.

    we seem to be getting results but the old 1-0 arsenal were better im afraid

    Im saddened to say that i miss a match this season, it dosent really bother me. I mean i will watch all the live on sky games but i dont be running around at 3pm on a saturday to try and get a stream because its not very watchable :-(


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    #105
    DamienKilmurray
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭DamienKilmurray


    mickman wrote: »
    yeah its truly amazing that we are in 4th.

    we seem to be getting results but the old 1-0 arsenal were better im afraid

    Im saddened to say that i miss a match this season, it dosent really bother me. I mean i will watch all the live on sky games but i dont be running around at 3pm on a saturday to try and get a stream because its not very watchable :-(


    The only reason that we are in 4th is that we`ve been lucky so far, and your dead right we are boring to watch. If you look back at our Home fixtures this season
    West Brom: 1-1 Draw. We were terrible
    Norwich: 1-1 Draw. We were played off the park
    QPR: Won 2-1. We were lucky again. We were played off the park too.
    Aston Villa: Won 2-0. Villa were totally useless that day, never turned up.
    Chelsea: Lost 4-2. Granted we were missing a few but they showed us how this 4-2-3-1 system should be played.

    We have loads of possession in games but have no cutting edge and look clueless going forward. We don`t have the right quality of players to play this system. Look at the Chavs team that played against us in White Hart Lane. They had Hazard, Mata and Oscar playing in behind Torres. There technique, Intelligence and movement was superb.


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    #106
    tomo75
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭tomo75


    They had Hazard, Mata and Oscar playing in behind Torres. There technique, Intelligence and movement was superb.


    Agreed, but - there's always a but- the wages these guys are been paid are well outside our structure. You get what you pay for. Yeah, we are 4th, lucky - yes, but I still accept it. We could kick on to something great this season (penny drops with the players as to formation/roles) but are never gonna win the League with this squad. Pissed off about last night but we were unlucky. Will wait to see how the season unfolds............


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    #107
    DamienKilmurray
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭DamienKilmurray


    tomo75 wrote: »


    Agreed, but - there's always a but- the wages these guys are been paid are well outside our structure. You get what you pay for. Yeah, we are 4th, lucky - yes, but I still accept it. We could kick on to something great this season (penny drops with the players as to formation/roles) but are never gonna win the League with this squad. Pissed off about last night but we were unlucky. Will wait to see how the season unfolds............

    I think the penny has to drop with AVB that this negative system is not working. Defoe cannot play the lone striker, Siggy and Dempsey are not good enough to play in the three behind the striker at the moment. They`ve both been very poor since they arrived. I would go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Bale Dembele Sandro Lennon. Ade and Defoe up front.


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    #108
    tomo75
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭tomo75


    DamienKilmurray wrote: »

    I think the penny has to drop with AVB that this negative system is not working. Defoe cannot play the lone striker, Siggy and Dempsey are not good enough to play in the three behind the striker at the moment. They`ve both been very poor since they arrived. I would go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Bale Dembele Sandro Lennon. Ade and Defoe up front.

    Ok agree on that point but if AVB had a full deck of players, I think the 4-4-2 would be an option. Also, IMO if Levy got Mounitio(spelling) as AVB requested, I think the system we are currently playing would work better (with Dembele fit to partner Mounitio).

    Anyway, 3points against Wigan (whether we batter them 8:0 or 1:0) is the key objective this weekend.


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    #109
    KingdomYid
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭KingdomYid


    DamienKilmurray wrote: »
    I think the penny has to drop with AVB that this negative system is not working. Defoe cannot play the lone striker, Siggy and Dempsey are not good enough to play in the three behind the striker at the moment. They`ve both been very poor since they arrived. I would go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Bale Dembele Sandro Lennon. Ade and Defoe up front.

    This. I have been saying this since August, things are far from rosey in the garden.


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    #110
    Leinstersqspur
    Registered Users Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Leinstersqspur


    tomo75 wrote: »
    Ok agree on that point but if AVB had a full deck of players, I think the 4-4-2 would be an option. Also, IMO if Levy got Mounitio(spelling) as AVB requested, I think the system we are currently playing would work better (with Dembele fit to partner Mounitio).

    This is what its all about for me, fair enough we've had some poor performances nobody can dispute that but they've mostly been when Dembele (and Adeabyor) hasn't played. Our squad is thin and AVB is trying hard to push square pegs into round holes.

    If HR had played 4-5-1 with JD up front we'd be screaming blue murder. AVB has had no choice.


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    #111
    DamienKilmurray
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭DamienKilmurray


    tomo75 wrote: »
    Ok agree on that point but if AVB had a full deck of players, I think the 4-4-2 would be an option. Also, IMO if Levy got Mounitio(spelling) as AVB requested, I think the system we are currently playing would work better (with Dembele fit to partner Mounitio).

    IMHO we need more than Moutinho to play this system. It was successful for AVB with Porto because he had the technical players to play this system. All clever players who are comfortable and excellent on the ball. He used Joao Moutinho, Fernando Bellushi and Fernando as his 3. He had Hulk and Varela both in behind Radamel Falcao who in my opinion is currently the worlds best striker.
    As I said in an earlier post, the Chavs can play this system well because of the players they have got. We can`t because we don`t have that quality of players in the attacking third.
    I feel our squad is better suited for a change in formation with 2 up front, but I can`t see it happening.


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