Pitch Invasion - What you think of it?

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jimmy the car wrote: »

Since the GAA have come out and ruled out the possibility of Donegal and Mayo fans invading the pitch after the final, what do people think of them taking this stance? Is there not the fear of the inevitable crush of people wanting to do what has traditionally been done for years and not to my knowledge (I stand to be corrected) cause any serious injury to anyone....or are tey tryig to go done the line of football matches in the rest of the world and keep everyone in the stands for the trophy presetnations?

fixed that for you.

do you realise how dangerous a pitch invasion is? remember when Armagh won it in 2002?

Happyman42 wrote: »

The health and safety guff being trotted out again, when really what is behind it is further monetising of a GAA event. This is being done for a clean focused advertising oppurtunity. The sponsors are probably insisting on it. Tradition means nothing to the GAA anymore, the bottom line is the accounts.

The health and safety guff? Do you know what can happen when you have an uncontrollable crowd of people rushing forward?? maybe you should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
what advertising oppurtunity?

cormac halpin

Happyman42 wrote: »

You don't have a lot of respect for ordinary Gaels, do you? To characterise the exuberance and delight of an excited crowd as clownish and yahooish behaviour is really sad. The Mayo team where made to stand dejectly on the pitch for all to see...dignity? You have a warped sense of dignity if that is what you seen.
It's just one more sad step by the GAA of sterilizing the experience of the fan behind draconian lines of yellow clad stewards.
Watch as they move this onto a stage in the middle of the field in the next few years and further remove the fan from the event. Sad in extremis.

I am sure the Mayo players would "happily" have chosen standing there among themselves as opposed to having opposition fans nigh on trample them.

Sunday was another success for the association and I commend them for it.

Happyman42

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

fixed that for you.

do you realise how dangerous a pitch invasion is? remember when Armagh won it in 2002?





The health and safety guff? Do you know what can happen when you have an uncontrollable crowd of people rushing forward?? maybe you should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
what advertising oppurtunity?

Hillsborough happened because fans COULD NOT get out of the stands.:rolleyes:


If this move was about 'fan safety' where was the line of stewards preventing people craning over the upper stand in this picture? You do know what can happen when someone falls?

Utopia Parkway

Could be mistaken but I get the distinct impression that the players prefer to be able to celebrate amongst themselves and the backroom staff out on the field without lads climbing all over them and pulling out of them. The Donegal players must have spent 30 minutes walking around the field afterwards just soaking it all in.

dinjo99

I was there Sunday and as a Donegal fan really enjoyed the presentation and lap of honour etc.

However i think a presentation in the middle of the pitch would be better for the spectators.

One thing did annoy me. I was standing beside Anthony Molloy at the front of the Hogan as the team did their lap of honour. Michael Murphy and a good number of the Donegal team spotted Anthony and ran over to embrace him over the barrier. They then asked him onto the pitch to join the lap of honour. The stewards refused under any circumstances to let him in. Following a couple of minutes pleading from Murphy and the lads a senior steward was called. He arrived and informed everybody that there would be no exceptions, end of discussion.

Overkill I thought.

intellectual dosser

OK, I just labored through this thread. I feel like I should be out of breath. Having read it all I feel like the biggest concern is not pitch invasions but the arguments some people buy into and the miserable ways they put them across (on both sides).

I'm from Donegal and I was at on Hill 16, I had no expectations to go onto the pitch and was delighted to stand and watch everything unfold after the final whistle. That said, if one, two, or fifteen thousand people had legged it onto the pitch I'd have no doubt I'd have been on their heels.

- The guy that had the problem with the "stewarts"
Couldnt agree with your points, I dont think they come from a free ride, even if there are sometimes one or two exceptions. But please enlighten us - who are these Stewarts? Some Clann, from up towards the north by the sounds of it? Bad folks?

- Waiting 5 minutes and then letting people on.
You have to be joking? Yes it protects the players more but the crush at the "closed for 5 minutes" gates would be intense. Can only imagine how children would be forced to hold their breath and hope for the best.

- Letting there be a pitch invasion because Donegal/Mayo havent won the All Ireland in a while.
GAA press release - "Despite our safety concerns and the desires of the GAA players during the repeated victories of Tyrone/Kerry/Kilkenny, we have decided to lift our ban on pitch invasions to let the hysterical people of Mayo/Donegal onto the pitch."

- The people who argued against the pitch being damaged by referencing concerts.
Take a look at your local pitch after a game in a bit of rain, that's 30 people on it for 90 minutes or so. You thought they'd let 15,000 people jump up and down on an exposed Croke Park pitch for 2 hours?


I dont think people gave enough consideration to the losing team. They are amateurs and don't deserve to be surrounded by giddy supporters of the other team. I remember one year the Artane Band were on the pitch after a game and there was a pitch invasion. Not one of them had a hat within 2-3 minutes.

Obviously my comments are all very tongue in cheek. Spent ages reading and couldnt understand how people came to their conclusions. I might as well publish at this stage.

Just to sign off
http://gaelicplayers.com/home/624-press-release-

Grudaire

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

do you realise how dangerous a pitch invasion is? remember when Armagh won it in 2002?

In fairness one large reason for the crush danger during pitch invasions is because the stewards prepare for keeping crowds off the pitch.

Then when the pitch invasion happen there's no structure. Keep people off the goalposts and from beneath the stands! No effort is made to control the crowd on the pitch - thats the problem.



The new system seems to work fine. But I hope smaller venues like Parnell park can continue to have a relaxed attitude.

2moreMinutes

dinjo99 wrote: »

I was there Sunday and as a Donegal fan really enjoyed the presentation and lap of honour etc.

I couldnt agree more with this. It added to the occasion when the players could celebrate amongst themselves with their kids and whatnot joining in. It all would have been over in 10 minutes if fans came onto the pitch.

One thing did annoy me. I was standing beside Anthony Molloy at the front of the Hogan as the team did their lap of honour. Michael Murphy and a good number of the Donegal team spotted Anthony and ran over to embrace him over the barrier. They then asked him onto the pitch to join the lap of honour. The stewards refused under any circumstances to let him in. Following a couple of minutes pleading from Murphy and the lads a senior steward was called. He arrived and informed everybody that there would be no exceptions, end of discussion.

Overkill I thought.

I would have thought that Anthony Molloy would have been just as insistent on not wanting to join the team on the pitch. As much of a legend as he is up here, I'd have winced if the joined them on the pitch celebrating - "even God himself wouldnt have success with this team".....:rolleyes:

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Happyman42 wrote: »

Hillsborough happened because fans COULD NOT get out of the stands.:rolleyes:

and why could they not get out of the stands? :rolleyes:

Happyman42 wrote: »

If this move was about 'fan safety' where was the line of stewards preventing people craning over the upper stand in this picture? You do know what can happen when someone falls?

because people are not that stupid

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

I understand stopping pitch invasions in Professional Football and Rugby but not in the GAA. The GAA is not just a game. The matches are events where everyone in a local community come together, It's a social gathering. The players are not some obscure superstars. they are our neighbours, family, friends etc of the fans. Celebrating together on the pitch after a game is part of the tradition of the GAA. It's been happening since day 1

It should not be stopped now because of some stupid made up "health and safety" bull****

why cant we learn from other organisations? or do we have to learn from our mistakes.

For the people that are for a pitch invasion, would you like to be at the front row in the hill with a few kids when the 70 mins are up?

martyeds

I was in Croke Park on Sunday and i have to say i really enjoyed the presentation without the fans on the pitch for a number of reasons.
It was great to see the players and back room team do a lap of honour, with their children and so on.
I was seated in the top tier of the Hogan stand, and if there was a pitch invasion, it would have taken ages to reach the pitch.

I think i only saw one supporter attempt to get onto the pitch from Hill 16 but he was lead away i think.

On a side note, did anyone hear the announcment on the PA system, cant remember the actual wording but it was something along the lines of ""Can all stewards please face the stands""

Happyman42

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

and why could they not get out of the stands?

:rolleyes:

They weren't penned in because they threatened a pitch invasion.

because people are not that stupid

Most people have accidents because of stupidity of one sort or another. If you can't see the possibility of an accident there than you are the stupid one.
Repeat: If the GAA where serious about fan safety this would not be allowed to happen.

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Happyman42 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

They weren't penned in because they threatened a pitch invasion.

you have totally missed my point. people at the back pushing forward have no idea how packed it is at the front. in 2002, people were being crushed at the front when Kieran McGeeney was handed the cup.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Most people have accidents because of stupidity of one sort or another. If you can't see the possibility of an accident there than you are the stupid one.
Repeat: If the GAA where serious about fan safety this would not be allowed to happen.

should i wear gloves when making tea incase I burn my hand?

there are big screens in croke park for them to see the presentation

jordainius

Happyman42 wrote: »

If the GAA where serious about fan safety this would not be allowed to happen.

This is a very stupid statement. Are you actually saying they are not serious about fan safety???

Most people have accidents because of stupidity of one sort or another. If you can't see the possibility of an accident there than you are the stupid one.

The irony of this statement from someone who can't see the possibility of an accident happening by letting twenty odd thousand people flood onto a pitch at the same time.

Happyman42

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

you have totally missed my point. people at the back pushing forward have no idea how packed it is at the front. in 2002, people were being crushed at the front when Kieran McGeeney was handed the cup.



should i wear gloves when making tea incase I burn my hand?

there are big screens in croke park for them to see the presentation

jordainius wrote: »

This is a very stupid statement. Are you actually saying they are not serious about fan safety???

The irony of this statement from someone who can't see the possibility of an accident happening by letting twenty odd thousand people flood onto a pitch at the same time.

In all previous cases a simple verbal intervention solved the problem of crushing. If they properly marshalled it...there would be no problem.
The reason I posted the pic is that my point is; this has nothing to do with potential injury to fans. If it had, the possibility of somebody quite easily falling from that stand would have been dealt with. You are warned about the ease of falling over in using it normally, yet people are allowed to lean over it, two to three deep. Gimme a break here, it's an accident waiting to happen if I ever saw one.

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we will agree to disagree

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Happyman42 wrote: »

two to three deep

How can you tell that it's 2 to 3 deep from that picture?

I think you are making things up to try and suit your argument.

bruschi

Happyman42 wrote: »

In all previous cases a simple verbal intervention solved the problem of crushing. If they properly marshalled it...there would be no problem.
The reason I posted the pic is that my point is; this has nothing to do with potential injury to fans. If it had, the possibility of somebody quite easily falling from that stand would have been dealt with. You are warned about the ease of falling over in using it normally, yet people are allowed to lean over it, two to three deep. Gimme a break here, it's an accident waiting to happen if I ever saw one.

you have to be trolling at this stage. you cant be serious with some of the ridiculous arguments you have made at this stage. trying to make out like there are people 3 deep at the front of the upper tier. have you ever even been to croke park? you do know it would not be any way possible to be 3 people deep at the front rails of the upper tier.

Happyman42

LeftBlank wrote: »

How can you tell that it's 2 to 3 deep from that picture?

I think you are making things up to try and suit your argument.

bruschi wrote: »

you have to be trolling at this stage. you cant be serious with some of the ridiculous arguments you have made at this stage. trying to make out like there are people 3 deep at the front of the upper tier. have you ever even been to croke park? you do know it would not be any way possible to be 3 people deep at the front rails of the upper tier.

Seriously, does it matter? All it takes is a bit of over exuberance and by all accounts of the H&S experts in this thread, Croker is full to the gills of drunken yahoos.

bruschi

Happyman42 wrote: »

Seriously, does it matter? All it takes is a bit of over exuberance and by all accounts of the H&S experts in this thread, Croker is full to the gills of drunken yahoos.

so you are just making stuff up then? no one is claiming to be H&S experts. if you had bothered to read the thread you would see that.

2moreMinutes

bruschi wrote: »

you do know it would not be any way possible to be 3 people deep at the front rails of the upper tier.

There were people at least 3 deep on the walkways at the front of the premium level down towards the Hill end all leaning over and straining to see the presentation "live" instead of looking at the big screen to their left. Not getting involved in your little debate but just thought I'd throw it out there.:)

Happyman42

bruschi wrote: »

so you are just making stuff up then?

Have you looked at the picture? Would you consider that situation- people hanging over the edge, trying to see and celebrating-to be potentially dangerous? There is no 'maybe crushed', 'maybe trampled' here, if someone falls they will be seriously hurt as well as the people under.
Is it dangerous or not?

sid waddell

I would have thought it's pretty obvious how there would be more risk of somebody being killed falling out of the top deck of the stand than being killed in a pitch invasion.

twowheelsonly

kstand wrote: »

Someone might get killed during a pitch invasion? What a load of sensationalist rubbish. Would you stand over that statement if it did happen?? Or would you scream blue murder about inadequate stewarding??

Pitch invasions were very much part of All Ireland Final day and should be preserved - securely monitored if needs be and signs put up warning patrons that they enter the field at their own risk...... As mentioned earlier, you can't just fob off liability like that. Do you honestly believe that people would take any notice in any case?
On top of that, nearly all the people at an AI are honest and genuine people who will not try to endanger the safety of anyone.... :eek: In normal day to day dealings maybe, but have you ever seen the behaviour of some (a lot) of these people when they put on their supporter hat??

Even auld women wouldnt carry on the way some of ye have on this thread. True :rolleyes:

Brain Stroking wrote: »

That isnt correct either. There were presentations on the pitch in 2000 definitely and it was quickly knocked on the head

Happyman42 wrote: »

I'm still saying it will be about sponsorship and that this will be moved onto the centre of the pitch in a few years, once this 'new' way of doing things is established.
Conservatives are conservatives and there are more than a few in the ranks of the GAA and they have had their way on this.
I would like to hear just how much the fans sitting with a solid row of stewards in front of them got to see. I also couldn't help seeing fans hanging perilously over the stand above the presentation (quick! ring H&S, down with that sort of thing :rolleyes:
The GAA didn't work hard enough to come up with a way of doing this to satisfy all persuasions, they capitulated to the H&S brigade and have their sights set on a more sponsor friendly event at the expense of a goodly portion of the support base.

I can see them going back to the centre of pitch presentations and IMO it would be a good thing - not because of sponsorship or copying others but because it will afford everyone a decent view and it makes for a better atmosphere at presentations. Some GAA 'hard core' supporters will be aghast at this however because of the notion of copying the Soccer presentations, just as the Rugby crowd did. They also copied the yellow cards etc but it didn't mean the end of the GAA as we know it. (Incidentally, Hockey was the first one with yellow cards and Soccer copied them!!)

Sunday was a great success IMO and because of that, and the fact that the GAA now seem to have a handle on controlling the invasions, I can see it going to the centrefield presentations.


Mark Ward of Meath touched on a very valid point in the players link. What if one of the players reacted to slaps/abuse during the course of a pitch invasion?? Probably be sued, banned and prosecuted because some scrote wanted to 'maintain tradition'..

Hammer Archer

By the by, contrary to popular belief, there are still traditional pitch invasions in English soccer. Usually when a team gets automatically promoted, this prompts a massive pitch invasion from the home fans. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any calls to stop them (or if there have, they've been muted).

I've made my peace with the fact that pitch invasions are probably a thing of the past. However, if this is the case, I seriously think the GAA have to move the presentation into the centre of the pitch. I was right in the centre of the lower Cusack and could barely see the presentation. I'd hate to think what it was like for those in the corner of the Hill or Canal End. Also, will they ever do away with those ridiculous streamers????

I still think pitch "invasions" can be managed successfully. When I was in Australia a while back, at the end of an Aussie Rules game in Perth, fans were kept off the pitch for about 5 or 10 minutes while the players left the pitch. After that, anyone was allowed on. I definitely think a similar thing could be done in Croke Park.

But obviously me thinking this makes me a "yahoo" or whatever.

Happyman42

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Mark Ward of Meath touched on a very valid point in the players link. What if one of the players reacted to slaps/abuse during the course of a pitch invasion?? Probably be sued, banned and prosecuted because some scrote wanted to 'maintain tradition'..

All of that could have potentially happened and has happened over the years and could still happen. It can happen at any club and county game in the country.

What do you do? You prepare and plan for it. In the same way as they drenched the ground with stewards and publicised what was expected of the fans and what they could expect in turn.
The more draconian you are security wise the more likely you are to spark off something, that's a given. You can only coral people so much.
The point here is that 'fan safety' and 'player safety' are not the reasons for this being done. If it was other actions would have been taken.
I don't have any objections to the GAA raising more revenue through sponsorship my problem is that admin in Croke Park are now calling the shots in their conservative, corporate way. Traditions are steamrollered to raise the maximum buck. Expect more of this as Croker's revenues continue to fall.
Labeling celebrating and passionate fans as scrotes and yahoos, in the knowledge that the conservative heartland of the GAA will follow suit (see this thread) is wrong, fess up and state the real reasons and put some thought into developing a way to do this that is safe and accomodating to all fans and to the traditions of the organisation.

intellectual dosser

Happyman42 wrote: »

All of that could have potentially happened and has happened over the years and could still happen. It can happen at any club and county game in the country.

What do you do? You prepare and plan for it. In the same way as they drenched the ground with stewards and publicised what was expected of the fans and what they could expect in turn.
The more draconian you are security wise the more likely you are to spark off something, that's a given. You can only coral people so much.
The point here is that 'fan safety' and 'player safety' are not the reasons for this being done. If it was other actions would have been taken.
I don't have any objections to the GAA raising more revenue through sponsorship my problem is that admin in Croke Park are now calling the shots in their conservative, corporate way. Traditions are steamrollered to raise the maximum buck. Expect more of this as Croker's revenues continue to fall.
Labeling celebrating and passionate fans as scrotes and yahoos, in the knowledge that the conservative heartland of the GAA will follow suit (see this thread) is wrong, fess up and state the real reasons and put some thought into developing a way to do this that is safe and accomodating to all fans and to the traditions of the organisation.

The opinions of several players have been referenced in this thread yet you still claim its NOT about their safety or the safety of supporters? Someone mentioned the referee being assaulted after the Leinster final a few years ago - you think this cost is justified just to maintain a tradition?

Whats your solution?
Do away with sponsorship and charge €150 a ticket to fund the games, pay for professional security and insurance to keep pitch invasions and then also maintain funding for development across the GAA at all levels?

All for a fcuking pitch invasion.

Happyman42

intellectual dosser wrote: »

The opinions of several players have been referenced in this thread yet you still claim its NOT about their safety or the safety of supporters? Someone mentioned the referee being assaulted after the Leinster final a few years ago - you think this cost is justified just to maintain a tradition?

Whats your solution?
Do away with sponsorship and charge €150 a ticket to fund the games, pay for professional security and insurance to keep pitch invasions and then also maintain funding for development across the GAA at all levels?

All for a fcuking pitch invasion.

Try reading the posts without the mist in front of your eyes.

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Happyman42 wrote: »

Try reading the posts without the mist in front of your eyes.

Hammer Archer wrote: »

By the by, contrary to popular belief, there are still traditional pitch invasions in English soccer. Usually when a team gets automatically promoted, this prompts a massive pitch invasion from the home fans. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any calls to stop them (or if there have, they've been muted).

there are always investigations after things like this happens, and usualy the club is fined

Happyman42

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

Whatever you think yourself! :rolleyes:

When I mention that I have no problems per se with the GAA raising extra revenue via sponsorship in the post he/she quotes and then get berated for wanting to do away with sponsorship, there is either an intellectual difficulty or a mist at play.

intellectual dosser

Happyman42 wrote: »

Whatever you think yourself! :rolleyes:

When I mention that I have no problems per se with the GAA raising extra revenue via sponsorship in the post he/she quotes and then get berated for wanting to do away with sponsorship, there is either an intellectual difficulty or a mist at play.

I have read your posts without the mist, although its difficult as you go on and on and on about the same thing again and again.

Call it berating, fine, but I asked you for your solution - you haven't given one? To say that the prevention of pitch invasions is entirely to do with sponsorship is just nonsense.

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right, im gonzo from this thread. can we agree to disagree?

Happyman42

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I have read your posts without the mist, although its difficult as you go on and on and on about the same thing again and again.

Call it berating, fine, but I asked you for your solution - you haven't given one? To say that the prevention of pitch invasions is entirely to do with sponsorship is just nonsense.

Answer the questions raised in the posts then.
If it was about fan and player safety, why just the final? Where is the security and safety concern at other games where any one of the incidents the 'what if' brigade are referring to could easily happen and has?
Where is the concern for safety when fans; have to (to be able to see) and are allowed to lean over the stand above the presentation?

Answer those questions and then tell me it is about the player and the fan's. It's patently not, it's about what the GAA wants to do with the presentation and that where dialogue is needed.
There are plenty of alternatives presented by others on here that are as workable as the 'new' way of doing it and could preserve the uniqueness of All Ireland Final day, instead of ending up with a bland corporate, same as everybody else, event.

Hammer Archer

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

there are always investigations after things like this happens, and usualy the club is fined

Can you show proof that end of season pitch invasions (like this one at St. Mary's just a few months back) always result in investigations and fines?

bucketybuck

Happyman42 wrote: »

If it was about fan and player safety, why just the final?

Gee, I don't know, why do people celebrate more after a final than after other games? I can't figure that one out...

Hammer Archer

bucketybuck wrote: »

Gee, I don't know, why do people celebrate more after a final than after other games? I can't figure that one out...

But why just the senior finals? There was no attempt to discourage the pitch invasion in Thurles at the U21 hurling final a few weeks back.

jordainius

It really doesn't matter what self-entitled fans want. I haven't seen/heard anything from the players objecting to keeping the fans off the pitch. The pitch is for the players, the stands and terraces are for the fans.

Tradition is a very weak argument, in fact its a non argument, tradition is a convenient word to hide behind. If we stuck with tradition, nothing would ever change. The GAA has moved forward in so many ways in the last twenty years; Croke Park was redeveloped into a world class stadium, the FAI and the IRFU were allowed use the stadium while Lansdowne Road was being rebuilt, the introduction of the backdoor was a massive break with tradition, while not everyone agrees with the current format, nobody can deny that it is much fairer on the players to no longer be in a position where their year is over after just one game. Gone are the days of there only being 7 or 8 live games a year on tv. And sure if we're going to be traditional why don't we go back to the days when hurleys were shaped more like ice hockey sticks.

I guess some people aren't willing to appreciate how lucky they are to get a ticket for All-Ireland final day in the first place. The reason you're there is to watch the match and suppoort your team. Sure; pitch invasions were great, I've taken part in a few when I was younger but they were allowed back then. They are not allowed now; the sooner that people cop on and respect that the better. Thankfully; the last few years have proven that the vast majority of fans do respect that, as pitch invasions haven't happened. If the will to do it really was there it would still happen every time, a line of stewards surrounding the perimiter of the pitch would be totally insufficient to stop a crowd from getting on to the pitch if they really wanted to in enough numbers. Luckily, those who have attended Croke Park on All-Ireland final day in recent years have respected the wishes of the GAA and the players.

As for some of the ridiculous conspiracy theory type nonsense about the motives of the GAA, the suggestion that they didn't think it through, that they don't care about the safety of the fans, that stuff is laughable. Some prople just don't want to accept the valid reasons for the GAA having to bring an end to this outdated practise.

Happyman42

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Can you show proof that end of season pitch invasions (like this one at St. Mary's just a few months back) always result in investigations and fines?

You won't get an answer HA, it's called 'can't see the trees for the forest'.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Gee, I don't know, why do people celebrate more after a final than after other games? I can't figure that one out...

So there is no need to stop pitch incursions at other times? There is no threat to players, refs and fans at other games? Is that what you are saying here? :rolleyes: You kinda proved my point for me there.

jordainius

Hammer Archer wrote: »

But why just the senior finals? There was no attempt to discourage the pitch invasion in Thurles at the U21 hurling final a few weeks back.

I suppose that's purely down to numbers, a full Croke Park has a lot more potential for an acident than a half/third full Semple Stadium!

jordainius

Happyman42 wrote: »

So there is no need to stop pitch incursions at other times? There is no threat to players, refs and fans at other games? Is that what you are saying here? :rolleyes: You kinda proved my point for me there.

So, you're saying a pitch invasion by up to half the euphoric and overjoyed fans in a full to 84000 capacity stadium is a possibility at say an all ireland qualifier or an Ulster semi final or a Leinster quarter final?

celt262

Without trawling through the last few pages are people still in favour of a stampede after all-ireland finals?

Happyman42

jordainius wrote: »

So, you're saying a pitch invasion by up to half the euphoric and overjoyed fans in a full to 84000 capacity stadium is a possibility at say an all ireland qualifier or an Ulster semi final or a Leinster quarter final?

So you are now saying that 42,000 drunken yahoos and scotes invade the pitch on All Ireland Day?

Two can play the silly semantics game. :rolleyes:

jordainius

Happyman42 wrote: »

So you are now saying that 42,000 drunken yahoos and scotes invade the pitch on All Ireland Day?

Two can play the silly semantics game. :rolleyes:

Are you blind?

Admit that you are a liar, or admit that you are blind, or please point to where I said "drunken yahoos" or "scrotes"?

This isn't semantics either, you just make stuff up as you go along and consistently fail to respond to questions and statements which disprove your nonsense.

I ask valid questions, you attempt to misinterpret what others say or just ignore what they say when you don't have a reasonable response (i.e. when those people are right and you find yourself unwilling to concede.)

Happyman42

jordainius wrote: »

Are you blind?

Admit that you are a liar, or admit that you are blind, or please point to where I said "drunken yahoos" or "scrotes"?

This isn't semantics either, you just make stuff up as you go along and consistently fail to respond to questions and statements which disprove your nonsense.

I ask valid questions, you attempt to misinterpret what others say or just ignore what they say when you don't have a reasonable response (i.e. when those people are right and you find yourself unwilling to concede.)

I'm a liar.
You only said 42,000 people invade the pitch. It was others who also hysterically exagerated for effect, by saying they where scotes and yahoos.

You'll have to point out what I have ignored or refused to answer.
In the meantime, maybe you can finally tell us all how the GAA ensure player and fan safety when crowds gather throughout the organisation?
That would disprove my theory that this particular move was not about fan and player safety, would it not?

False Prophet

celt262 wrote: »

Without trawling through the last few pages are people still in favour of a stampede fans celebrate on the field after all-ireland finals?

Made a slight change to your comment there! But Yes im still in favour and probably always will be (the same way that it is clear that people are against it for different valid/invalid reasons).
What would change my mind is
(1) if they did an actual vote of the county players rather than hearsay/GPA and the players were against finding ways to bring back the old way(we all know players that want the old system or like the new system seemly)
(2) They move the presentation onto the pitch(had to laugh at some people comments that the could watch the presentation on the big screen which kind of defeats the purpose of being there)

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False Prophet wrote: »

had to laugh at some people comments that the could watch the presentation on the big screen which kind of defeats the purpose of being there

thing is, if they did that, there would be another 10-20 page argument here about it :rolleyes:

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False Prophet wrote: »

had to laugh at some people comments that the could watch the presentation on the big screen which kind of defeats the purpose of being there

I think it would be better to present it on the pitch, as everyone gets to see it properly.
thing is, if they did that, there would be another 10-20 page argument here about it :rolleyes:

sid waddell

Bring it back for the All-Irelands!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmq6vg6AMxo

Happyman42

sid waddell wrote: »

Bring it back for the All-Irelands!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmq6vg6AMxo

Totally agree, the baby was thrown out with the dirty H&S bathwater.

InchicoreDude

They look terrific. I was on City End Terrace just below the scoreboard for the Munster final and it was spectacular seeing supporters running on to the pitch from every corner.

However, somebody will eventually get seriously injured or killed in one (perhaps even a player who has to endure being swamped by numerous people after 70 hard minutes of playing GAA). And is it worth that? No, it is not.

listermint

InchicoreDude wrote: »

They look terrific. I was on City End Terrace just below the scoreboard for the Munster final and it was spectacular seeing supporters running on to the pitch from every corner.

However, somebody will eventually get seriously injured or killed in one (perhaps even a player who has to endure being swamped by numerous people after 70 hard minutes of playing GAA). And is it worth that? No, it is not.

True, I mean like think off all the spectators and players that died over the years like.

Shocking stuff, shocking altogether .