Pitch Invasion - What you think of it?

Syferus

The answer was always to stagger the release of supporters onto the pitch, not stop it altogether. Some of the best moments of my life were running onto the pitch in the Hyde in 2001 and McHale in 2010. Even though I was deliriously happy to see Brigids win the AI this year you could tell both the players and fans would have preferred being together. A real pity our greatest stadium is one of our only venues to view some of the best behaved supporters in the world as a threat.

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listermint wrote: »

True, I mean like think off all the spectators and players that died over the years like.

Shocking stuff, shocking altogether .

Provention is better than a cure.
I have never crashed my car, does that mean I will never crash it in the future?

Happyman42

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

Provention is better than a cure.
I have never crashed my car, does that mean I will never crash it in the future?

Don't play the match at all in that case.

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Happyman42 wrote: »

Don't play the match at all in that case.

what do you mean?

macgrub

It was interesting to listen to (whom I'm sure was) Dirmuid O'Sullivan and co. speaking about it on Newstalk yesterday. They made the point that pitch invasions are unfair to the losing team who are often stranded on the field for up to 20 minutes following the conclusion of a game. What's more, they mentioned several cases where players of the losing side who were still on the field following the invasion often received the odd kick or punch from the invading (and energised) supporters.

curraghyid

it is safe to say the incidents on the pitch post the meathv louth leinster final are enough to not allow or deter pitch invasions.

InchicoreDude

listermint wrote: »

True, I mean like think off all the spectators and players that died over the years like.

Shocking stuff, shocking altogether .

Yeah, and it is that kind of attitude that resulted in Hillsborough. People said "Sure, look, nothing has ever happened so it's not going to happen". :rolleyes: My point was that there could be a serious incident with a pitch invasion - is it really worth running that risk? Just because nothing serious has happened in the past does not meane it wont happen in the future.

The GAA had some figures a couple of years back about the amount of claims there were from injuries arising from pitch invasions. I was fairly shocked at the figure but cant remember it now.

keane2097

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

Provention is better than a cure.
I have never crashed my car, does that mean I will never crash it in the future?

Ban driving altogether.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Yeah, and it is that kind of attitude that resulted in Hillsborough. People said "Sure, look, nothing has ever happened so it's not going to happen". :rolleyes:

What an ignorant statement! Over 50 years of pitch invasions in the GAA and not one serious injury. Hillsborough resulted in over-crowding. It did not result, in any way, shape or form, from a pitch invasion. Over-crowding in this day and age does not happen.

You could blame Michael Hogan's death on pitch invasions using that logic.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

If fact, if people were able to pitch invade, those deaths at Hillsborough probably wouldn't have happened.

piplin

macgrub wrote: »

It was interesting to listen to (whom I'm sure was) Dirmuid O'Sullivan and co. speaking about it on Newstalk yesterday. They made the point that pitch invasions are unfair to the losing team who are often stranded on the field for up to 20 minutes following the conclusion of a game. What's more, they mentioned several cases where players of the losing side who were still on the field following the invasion often received the odd kick or punch from the invading (and energised) supporters.

What would you expect from a crybaba? O'Sullivan with his big sour sore loser king size head. He'd be more in line to keep his big trap shut than giving out about pitch invasions. :rolleyes:

piplin

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Yeah, and it is that kind of attitude that resulted in Hillsborough. People said "Sure, look, nothing has ever happened so it's not going to happen". :rolleyes: My point was that there could be a serious incident with a pitch invasion - is it really worth running that risk? Just because nothing serious has happened in the past does not meane it wont happen in the future.

The GAA had some figures a couple of years back about the amount of claims there were from injuries arising from pitch invasions. I was fairly shocked at the figure but cant remember it now.

Be quiet now sonny. I've read enough fanny twaddle from you. Zip it.

macgrub

piplin wrote: »

What would you expect from a crybaba? O'Sullivan with his big sour sore loser king size head. He'd be more in line to keep his big trap shut than giving out about pitch invasions. :rolleyes:

I think players should be allowed have a say on the matter.

As a former player, O'Sullivan has the right to voice an opinion. But sure, I'll tell you what, when you show me a video of you scoring a point from around 90 yards, you will then earn the authority to voice your opinion.
Until then, zip it. :P

piplin

:rolleyes:

macgrub wrote: »

I think players should be allowed have a say on the matter.

As a former player, O'Sullivan has the right to voice an opinion. But sure, I'll tell you what, when you show me a video of you scoring a point from around 90 yards, you will then earn the authority to voice your opinion.
Until then, zip it. :P

:rolleyes:

Jellybaby1

My tuppence worth, I don't think H & S really comes into it. IMHO its just immature behaviour. I expect school children to do that kind of thing but not adults.

blowitupref

curraghyid wrote: »

it is safe to say the incidents on the pitch post the meathv louth leinster final are enough to not allow or deter pitch invasions.

What happened in that Louth v Meath game was pitch invasion what happened on Sunday was pitch celebration though i agree its tough on the losing team when all they want to do is get off the field.

InchicoreDude

THFC wrote: »

What an ignorant statement! Over 50 years of pitch invasions in the GAA and not one serious injury. Hillsborough resulted in over-crowding. It did not result, in any way, shape or form, from a pitch invasion. Over-crowding in this day and age does not happen.

You could blame Michael Hogan's death on pitch invasions using that logic.

In fairness, I never said that Hillsbourough & pitch invasions were the same thing.

My (not very well made apparently) point was that the GAA are being somewhat forward thinking by trying to clamp down on pitch invasions. The FA were not so forward thinking with ther crowd control policy back in the 80's and it ended in a disaster.

I have seen some very very dodgy moments in pitch invasions down through the years. And I completely understand the logic of trying to get rid of them.

There is very little point in banning pitch invasions AFTER somebody gets hurt which seems to be the only way people on here will concede that pitch invasions are dangerous.

ArnoldJRimmer

People are saying, 'sure what harm in a pitch invasion, we've had them for years.' Well given the amount of compensation the GAA have had to pay out, there is obviously a lot of harm. Whether anyone was caused serious injury or not, or whether its simple oportunism, its now a health and safety issue. And who's to say that there wont be a serious issue in future? What if Limerick had won on Sunday after one of their players threw the ball in the net in the last minute, and there were some irate Cork fans spilling onto the pitch.

The decision was made for a reason, and I think the GAA are right to take the stance they have. I don't think its too much to ask to have people celebrate in the stands, and salute their heroes from there. And I also agree that its not particularly fair on the losing players either.

freddiek

The scenes in the Gaelic Grounds were wonderful but I don't think people would mind if there was no repeat in either the football or hurling championships later on in Croke Park

I mean you couldn't have a Hill 16 Dub pitch invasion, you wouldn't know what kind of weapons some of them would be packin

Hidalgo

Disasters like Hillsborough happened due to overcrowding and high fences.
The only conceivable way a Hillsborough type event could occur in a GAA game is if a terrace was completely overcrowded.

Stands like in the Gaelic Grounds, Croke Park etc don't have wire at the front of the stands, it's still there in terraces alright. The most dangerous aspect of the pitch invasions I always thought were the delay in opening the gates at the end as fans made a burst for a gate to open. The old Canal End in Croke Park was awful, you had to step up from terrace to pitch to get on the field. Very easy to stumble.

IMO, the players definitely should have a say.

Happyman42

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

People are saying, 'sure what harm in a pitch invasion, we've had them for years.' Well given the amount of compensation the GAA have had to pay out, there is obviously a lot of harm. Whether anyone was caused serious injury or not, or whether its simple oportunism, its now a health and safety issue. And who's to say that there wont be a serious issue in future? What if Limerick had won on Sunday after one of their players threw the ball in the net in the last minute, and there were some irate Cork fans spilling onto the pitch.

The decision was made for a reason, and I think the GAA are right to take the stance they have. I don't think its too much to ask to have people celebrate in the stands, and salute their heroes from there. And I also agree that its not particularly fair on the losing players either.

How much compensation directly because of invasions and how much compensation in general do they pay out? If the general figure was also hig then somebody would have a case to ban the game altogether.
If you could quote actual verified figures please.

Clareman

Piplin banned for a month for personal abuse.

Clareman

My 2 cents for the whole pitch invasion thing is it's right to be banned and discouraged, not only would player safety be at risk but spectator safety would be a massive issue. If you are in a terrace at the end of an All Ireland, you'd have no choice but to go onto the pitch, with more and more people going, and unfortunately more and more drunk people going, it was only a matter of time before someone got seriously hurt. I think the system that's in place now of it's not allowed so stewards actively send people back and don't open the gates/block the way, but if loads of people want to get on they are allowed.

Personally, I know a guy who very nearly lost an eye going on the pitch after the All Ireland Final in 95, he slipped getting onto the pitch and fell onto a flag, got something like 12 stitches through his eye-lid and was in hospital for a long time (missed the Grad and everything ). Also, if you want to see the effect a pitch invasion can have on a player watch Miracle Match 2 between Munster and Glochester and and the very end you see Duncan McRae legging it off the pitch cause he was terrified of what would happen to him.

ProudDUB

I can understand the health and safety concerns in banning pitch invasions. I understand that the players want to celebrate a big win with just their team mates, and not an unruly mob of strangers. But I still think that the GAA lost a part of its soul when they banned them.

I mean, in what other country or sport could they happen, without there being serious drama or violence? Imagine if they happened in the UK? There would be bedlam. The fact that they took place without major incident, for as long as they did, is a huge, huge testament to the people that did it, and the spirit in which they approached supporting their team and their sport imo.

What about allowing no fans on the pitch for 20-30 mins after the final whistle? The trophy presentation gets done & the players get to celebrate and parade it around the pitch, with no one else on the pitch but them. Then, the fans are allowed on at a designated time & in an orderly & safe manner.

The players that want to scarper to the sanctuary of the changing room can do so. The players that want to stay outside and mingle with the fans can do that too. The fans get to be a part of the celebrations. Not in the way that they used to, but at least in some manner that is connected to all those great scenes from years ago. Win win all around, no?

Clareman

ProudDUB wrote: »

I can understand the health and safety concerns in banning pitch invasions. I understand that the players want to celebrate a big win with just their team mates, and not an unruly mob of strangers. But I still think that the GAA lost a part of its soul when they banned them.

I mean, in what other country or sport could they happen, without there being serious drama or violence? Imagine if they happened in the UK? There would be bedlam. The fact that they took place without major incident, for as long as they did, is a huge, huge testament to the people that did it, and the spirit in which they approached supporting their team and their sport imo.

What about allowing no fans on the pitch for 20-30 mins after the final whistle? The trophy presentation gets done & the player get to celebrate and parade it around the pitch, with no one else on the pitch but them. Then, the fans are allowed on at a designated time & in an orderly & safe manner.

The players that want to scarper to the sanctuary of the changing room can do so. The players that want to stay outside and mingle with the fans can do that too. The fans get to be a part of the celebrations. Not in the way that they used to, but at least in some manner that is connected to all those great scenes from years ago. Win win all around, no?

Most other countries would have had a history of pitch invasions, have a look at rugby, cricket, AFL, baseball and American Football.

ProudDUB

All the more reason to bring them back in here then so !

Happyman42

Clareman wrote: »

Most other countries would have had a history of pitch invasions, have a look at rugby, cricket, AFL, baseball and American Football.

All of them prone to steriliness from a spectator, sense of community point of view.

Syferus

Eh? College football is probably the most un 'sterile' environment in world sport.

We have something fantastic but let's not group together all the other sports to make ourselves feel better.

Rightwing

Pitch invasions are great, the one in the Gaelic Grounds was a classic. Hopefully LK will win the all ireland and there'll be another monster one.

Happyman42

Rightwing wrote: »

Pitch invasions are great, the one in the Gaelic Grounds was a classic. Hopefully LK will win the all ireland and there'll be another monster one.

You'll see one in Clones this weekend too, if Monaghan manage to beat Donegal. Although that might require an alien invasion first.

sid waddell

What can be said for certain is that the scenes after the match on Sunday mean the occasion will really stick in the memory for years. I doubt if you ask any Limerick player, they would have had it any other way. There's no point in pretending that a lap of honour carries anywhere near the same excitement or level of emotion as celebrating on the pitch. It's simply not a patch on a pitch invasion.

As for health and safety, there kids in the crowd with hurleys on Sunday who bought them so they could knock around on the pitch afterwards. This happens routinely at Parnell Park also when kids get to go onto the pitch at half-time. Health and safety rules I'm sure would outlaw this, but it's a tradition at some venues and I think it's a wonderful one.

Always_Running

Croke park has high insurance costs and apparently thats why they put end to pitch invasions however no ban is in place on other stadiums, in Connacht stewards open the gates and allow you to enter the field.

Uninterested Orange

Pitch invasions are great to see, really brings the emotion of players and fans together. What was seen in Limerick was great to see, hope to see them do it again in September. Don't know what the issue is at Croke Park, I think it would be great to see t every All Ireland Sunday.

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keane2097 wrote: »

Ban driving altogether.

you totally missed my point

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blowitupref wrote: »

What happened in that Louth v Meath game was pitch invasion what happened on Sunday was pitch celebration though i agree its tough on the losing team when all they want to do is get off the field.

so where is the line drawn then? only the supporters from the winning team are allowed onto the pitch?

blowitupref

Ronald Cold Planetarium wrote: »

so where is the line drawn then? only the supporters from the winning team are allowed onto the pitch?

Why would a line have to be drawn? i doubt many supporters that lose will have much interest going onto the field and most will head home or to the pub.

macgrub

I understand how people can be nostalgic and passionate about this issue, but as I mentioned before, it's not fair on the losing players who cannot exit quick enough and therefore are recipients of abuse. Ultimately, the thirty players should get priority no matter how passionate fans are about their team. supporters wouldn't have a reason to be there if not for those players.

Secondly, would it not be possible for the GAA to have a clause to say that any supporters who exit the stands/terraces to the pitch hold liability?
So if anyone gets injured, tough cookie; You shouldn't be there.

Syferus

You'd swear from some of the posts here that the winning supporters were forming a human chain around the exit tunnels.

Losers are expected to wait on the field for the acceptance speech in finals anyways but if there was a significant pitch invasion for a non-final it's hardly much of a bother for the losing players to make an exit. Very few supporters abuse losing players and in fact I've never seen that happen once in all my years invading pitches. I'm sure it's happened but let's not kid ourselves and think it's more than a minute issue.

It really feels like people are inventing after-market reasons for a decision whose only worthwhile rationale was insurance costs, not serious safety concerns and certainly not opposition players.

Always_Running wrote: »

Croke park has high insurance costs and apparently thats why they put end to pitch invasions however no ban is in place on other stadiums, in Connacht stewards open the gates and allow you to enter the field.

Some fecker (likely a Mayo lad, but that's just me being totally racist) forced a load of us to scale the railing - which has a fair old 8-10 foot drop from the top of the railing to the ground below - because he wouldn't let people use the stairs that connects the stand to the bleachers nearer the field after London beat Leitrim in an attempt to prevent a pitch invasion that had already happened.

To me that's magnitudes more dangerous than any pitch invasion. I hope the lad was just a lone ranger and more stewards use a smidgen of cop on when dealing with these situations outside the Insurance Bowl.

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blowitupref wrote: »

doubt many supporters that lose will have much interest going onto the field and most will head home or to the pub.

99% of the time that is the case, but look at the 2010 leinster final, or the 2011 connaught club football final. In those cases the referee was targeted on the pitch by the supporters of the losing team.

AugustusMinimus

Pitch invasions being banned at Croke Park was yet another tradition of the GAA being eroded away.

Never have I heard of any serious injury happening during a pitch invasion. Some of my most memorable hurling moments were from being on the pitch seeing cups being presented.

Good on the Limerick supporters for their pitch invasion. Let's hope if they do win the All-Ireland, that f**king barrier in front of the Hill will be knocked by the force of them trying to get onto the pitch. Send a message to the likes of Cooney and his ilk.

There is a very simple solution to this. Supporters should be left onto the field 5 minutes after the whistle is blown. An area should be opened up for the opposing team and officials directly below where an trophy is being presented in order for them not to be mixing with the crowd.

jordainius

ProudDUB wrote: »

What about allowing no fans on the pitch for 20-30 mins after the final whistle? The trophy presentation gets done & the players get to celebrate and parade it around the pitch, with no one else on the pitch but them. Then, the fans are allowed on at a designated time & in an orderly & safe manner.

Doesn't sound feasible. How exactly would you propose removing thousands of fans from the pitch? Easier to just keep them off the pitch in the first place.

Rightwing wrote: »

Pitch invasions are great, the one in the Gaelic Grounds was a classic. Hopefully LK will win the all ireland and there'll be another monster one.

If *fingers crossed* Limerick do win the All-Ireland, it will be very interesting to see what happens. I'd be quite concerned about Hill 16/Nally Stand and the prospect of fans surging forward towards that barrier, could create bigger H&S issues than a pitch invasion ever would.

paudgemcgaudge

There must be important insurance reasons in Croke Park

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jordainius wrote: »

If *fingers crossed* Limerick do win the All-Ireland, it will be very interesting to see what happens. I'd be quite concerned about Hill 16/Nally Stand and the prospect of fans surging forward towards that barrier, could create bigger H&S issues than a pitch invasion ever would.

They kept the dubs off the pitch in 2011! It all comes down to safety though, if there is a large amount of fans trying to get onto the pitch and there is a crush at the front, then "Plan B" is put into place.

BPKS

Not sure if its been mentioned here, but after the Limerick-Tipp game one of the Limerick players got eye-gouged (accidentally) by a fan who invaded the pitch who trying to celebrate with him. He ended up in hospital on the Wednesday and was lucky he didn't suffer a serious eye injury.

I know a player who was struck by a "supporter" who invaded the pitch after the final whistle of an Ireland final.

A saw a girl fall at the front of the hill trying to get onto the pitch and some big guy stood on her. I saw a guy tripping over a bit of the net and smack his face off the ground.

People who think they have a God-given right to be on the pitch are many of the same people who will stand on the sideline of an under 14 game and shout abuse at a 13 year old kid (often his own son) when they should be in the stand or terrace. But no, we're the GAA, "grassroots" organisation and I'll get onto the pitch if I want to.

Happyman42

macgrub wrote: »

I understand how people can be nostalgic and passionate about this issue, but as I mentioned before, it's not fair on the losing players who cannot exit quick enough and therefore are recipients of abuse. Ultimately, the thirty players should get priority no matter how passionate fans are about their team. supporters wouldn't have a reason to be there if not for those players.

Secondly, would it not be possible for the GAA to have a clause to say that any supporters who exit the stands/terraces to the pitch hold liability?
So if anyone gets injured, tough cookie; You shouldn't be there.

Losing is tough. If it was organised and stewarded it could make it easier for those wanting off the pitch. It's just a crowd of people.
And it cuts both ways, the players wouldn't be there either if there where not supporters following them.
There is no doubt in my mind that part of the reason and future plan in Croke Park was to accede to sponsors wanting a big branded presentation event in the midddle of the pitch.

ProudDUB

jordainius wrote: »

Doesn't sound feasible. How exactly would you propose removing thousands of fans from the pitch? Easier to just keep them off the pitch in the first place.

What's not feasible about it? The fans would just drift away and leave at the same rate and pace that they have always done. I would have thought that getting the fans off the pitch would be the least part of the problem. People would have calmed down, and would just gradually drift away, as opposed to the one mad dash when everyone is all fired up, and wants to charge onto the pitch at the same time.

jordainius

Happyman42 wrote: »

Losing is tough. If it was organised and stewarded it could make it easier for those wanting off the pitch. It's just a crowd of people.

How would this be organised? We assign 10 stewards to immediately sprint towards and form a protective circle around each of the 15 players of the defeated team to guide them safely towards the exit? We keep the crowd off the pitch until the defeated team leaves the pitch? And if it was "just a crowd of people" we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place, there's nothing simple about this.

And it cuts both ways, the players wouldn't be there either if there where not supporters following them.

I put it more down to the few hundred hours of training the players do myself. Fans don't drive a team to success, they have no influence at all. Fans are fickle, almost 5 years to the day before the pitch invasion at the weekend Limerick were booed off at half time and full time by about half of a 10k crowd as Offaly sent them out of the championship. Players of all counties know that they only have the support of the fans when things are going well, and they are well aware that the fans can turn on them in an instant. Players are the lifeblood of the GAA, not fans.

There is no doubt in my mind that part of the reason and future plan in Croke Park was to accede to sponsors wanting a big branded presentation event in the midddle of the pitch.

This is quite a cynical view. Both codes have 3 title sponsors who are very well known and get plenty of publicity. The GAA have given their reasons, this has more to do with Health and Safety and the wishes of the players than it has to do with sponsorship. There's no conspiracy here.

I don't agree with the GAA's stance, but I understand it and respect their choice. At the end of the day if something goes wrong, they will be the ones picking up the bill as we have a sickening compensation culture in this country. And that is what has changed. There was a time when people took responsibility for their own actions, if someone got hurt they were more likely to take it on the chin, say to themselves "My own fault really, I took that risk when I decided to run on to the pitch.", now it's a case of; "Oh I stubbed my toe because the GAA didn't stop me from running onto the pitch, good thing I have my solicitor on speed dial.".

Rightwing

You have to give GAA fans massive credit. I would say not 1 Tipp or Cork player got a punch or kick after the pitch invasions.

If that were a soccer match, I don't think I could say the same thing.

jordainius

ProudDUB wrote: »

What's not feasible about it? The fans would just drift away and leave at the same rate and pace that they have always done. I would have thought that getting the fans off the pitch would be the least part of the problem. People would have calmed down and would just gradually drift away, as opposed to the one mad dash when everyone is all fired up, and wants to charge onto the pitch at the same time.

Once the fans are on the pitch, they're not going to leave it until the presentation is made. And it would be a bit daft to make the presentation at least 30/45 minutes after the final whistle, the "one mad dash where everyone charges onto the pitch" would still happen, and why make the presentation when everyone has calmed down? That kind of takes away from the moment.

jordainius

Rightwing wrote: »

You have to give GAA fans massive credit. I would say not 1 Tipp or Cork player got a punch or kick after the pitch invasions.

I saw a few Cork players receiving pats on the back and sympathy and encouragement from some Limerick fans (and Cork fans naturally enough), sure there will always be a few bad eggs in crowds of that size, but I didn't see (or hear of) anything nasty after Limerick's two games this year.