Is it acceptable for a teacher?

Piliger

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Another poster has already stated that there is no training given to teachers to deal with misbehaving students. In a class there will always be a range of children from different backgrounds. If a teacher is unable to deal with them and resorts to this nonsense of making them face a wall for an hour then the teacher needs to look into paying for their own training to address the issues they are having in the class. Maybe get onto the ASTI to organise courses during the summer/Christmas holidays in affective disciplinary techniques.

This is a completely flawed argument because it infers that all children behave correctly for a properly trained teacher. An obviously inaccurate suggestion.

Pawwed Rig

Not necessarily but a properly trained teacher will know how to deal with disruptive children. TBH I am shocked that they receive zero training in this area. I thought it would be fundamental to the teaching profession. I can only draw from my experience at school where a teacher who could get the respect of the class was always more effective than the ones who lose control. I was hoping that a qualified teacher could enlighten us on the correct procedure in this (or a given) situation but it seems that they have no more idea than I have

yawha

It's not just about training or techniques, though. I'm not convinced that any amount of techniques learned will magically transform a teacher into one who can enforce discipline in a class. It's hugely personality based, and very hard to learn.

The other issue is that teachers who can win the respect of the class and have them not be disruptive, is that this doesn't automatically mean they will actually be good at the teaching part.

I recall from when I was in school there were often situations where certain teachers would get nowhere with classes of disruptive pupils, but when teaching smaller classes of less disruptive students, they were fantastic. There were others who could maintain discipline no matter what class they taught, but were hopeless at teaching. There were some brilliant teachers who had both skills, but they were rare.

And ultimately, I don't think it's realistic to expect every teacher to be this brilliant. We just don't have a pool of such teachers to choose from. Personally, being pragmatic about this, I'm not that bothered if "dated" techniques are used, and disruptive students be isolated and starved of attention, letting the rest of the class learn more effectively.

kupus

Why didnt the teacher send the student home? Might wake the kid up and the parents who think that their kids are angels.......

Pawwed Rig

yawha wrote: »

It's not just about training or techniques, though. I'm not convinced that any amount of techniques learned will magically transform a teacher into one who can enforce discipline in a class. It's hugely personality based, and very hard to learn.

But you would imagine they would get SOME techniques rather than ignoring the issue which is what the teacher poster said happens.
I agree it can be personality based and on a more general point I think many people employed as teachers are wholely unsuitable fo the job. I know as part of the training they need to be observed teaching a class. I knew a girl who had strips torn off her during these sessions yet she still graduated!!! After proving she couldn't teach they allowed her graduate.

Is there any teachers willing to back up the profession? The silence is deafening

kupus wrote: »

Why didnt the teacher send the student home? Might wake the kid up and the parents who think that their kids are angels.......

I would have thought it is because of the legal obligation of the school to teach the child. Presuming she was under the legal age

vamos!

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Not necessarily but a properly trained teacher will know how to deal with disruptive children. TBH I am shocked that they receive zero training in this area. I thought it would be fundamental to the teaching profession. I can only draw from my experience at school where a teacher who could get the respect of the class was always more effective than the ones who lose control. I was hoping that a qualified teacher could enlighten us on the correct procedure in this (or a given) situation but it seems that they have no more idea than I have

I did not make my point about training very well. We are trained to a certain degree but an awful lot of discipline and punishment depends on the individual teacher and the school. The theory does not always lend itself to real-life situations. There are fabulous ideas out there which just don't seem to work in real life. Each teacher has to assess themselves, their class and the students before giving out a punishment. We do not do a course saying talking out of turn= 50 lines, laughing=facing a wall etc. Nor should we be told this as all schools, situations and children are different.,

Saying that teacher X has excellent discipline and knows how to control a class while Teacher Y is hopeless is also not always fair. Factors such as lunchtime and the 'challenging' students' interest and ability in the subject also play an important part. Little Johnny hates French with a passion. He will never get to France and feels silly putting on an accent. He acts up in French as it means nothing to him. His teacher has to react. For some unexplainable reason he likes Geography and has done since primary. He behaves really well in Geog and his easily distracted 'crew' also behave. Often, this has nothing to do with the teacher.

Also, on an aside, I have no idea why the ASTI would be involved in offereing courses on behaviour management.

vamos!

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

But you would imagine they would get SOME techniques rather than ignoring the issue which is what the teacher poster said happens.
I agree it can be personality based and on a more general point I think many people employed as teachers are wholely unsuitable fo the job. I know as part of the training they need to be observed teaching a class. I knew a girl who had strips torn off her during these sessions yet she still graduated!!! After proving she couldn't teach they allowed her graduate.

Is there any teachers willing to back up the profession? The silence is deafening



I would have thought it is because of the legal obligation of the school to teach the child. Presuming she was under the legal age

Students are generally well up on their rights. It is great that they have rights but they, and some parents fail to acknowledge the responsibilities which come with rights!!

kupus

Well since when did school become a babysitting service.....one phonecall to the parent and to collect child within half hour.
Trouble is the kids have more rights than the teachers just like the criminals have more rights than the guards...

And for parents to be harking on about rights for this and that its no wonder the country is going to hell.
When I was in school there was a kid who was acting the maggot and he deservedly got a clip round the ear, next day parent comes in creating stink that his kid is an angel blah blah blah......sick of this type of crap.
(NIMBY)

Pawwed Rig

vamos! wrote: »

Saying that teacher X has excellent discipline and knows how to control a class while Teacher Y is hopeless is also not always fair. Factors such as lunchtime and the 'challenging' students' interest and ability in the subject also play an important part. Little Johnny hates French with a passion. He will never get to France and feels silly putting on an accent. He acts up in French as it means nothing to him. His teacher has to react. For some unexplainable reason he likes Geography and has done since primary. He behaves really well in Geog and his easily distracted 'crew' also behave. Often, this has nothing to do with the teacher.

Also, on an aside, I have no idea why the ASTI would be involved in offereing courses on behaviour management.

So you are saying the training is not fit for purpose. If he hates French encourage him to do Art or wahtever he is interested in. As an adult you would be in a good position to provide career guidance (if the school did not have a specific post).

I dunno ASTI or whoever represents teachers. Do you have a standards organisation or a representative body? If you feel the training is not good enough then get onto them to organise extra training.

vamos! wrote: »

Students are generally well up on their rights. It is great that they have rights but they, and some parents fail to acknowledge the responsibilities which come with rights!!

It is good that they are up on their rights when you see the deplorable manner we allowed teachers to treat students in the class. I am assuming part of your training makes you aware of yours and their rights too?
Of course parents SHOULD produce nice cooperative children but unfortunately that is not always possible which is why we also need well trained teachers.

Piliger

kupus wrote: »

Why didnt the teacher send the student home? Might wake the kid up and the parents who think that their kids are angels.......

You can't be serious ? Firstly a lot of kid's parents work and there is no one at home. Secondly they would be sending dozens of students home every day because this kind of behaviour is happening that often in every school. Thirdly what is wrong with people that are objecting to every possible punishment and making all punishments humiliating ? It's ridiculous.

Piliger

kupus wrote: »

Well since when did school become a babysitting service.....one phonecall to the parent and to collect child within half hour.
(NIMBY)

Duh ... most kids have no one at home during working hours... their parents work...

The rest I agree with wholeheartedly.:)

yawha

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

It is good that they are up on their rights when you see the deplorable manner we allowed teachers to treat students in the class. I am assuming part of your training makes you aware of yours and their rights too?
Of course parents SHOULD produce nice cooperative children but unfortunately that is not always possible which is why we also need well trained teachers.

How much of a teacher's time do you think should be spent sorting out a misbehaving student and how much do you think should be spent teaching students who actually listen and want to learn?

And in what ways do teachers treat students "deplorably"?

Pawwed Rig

yawha wrote: »

How much of a teacher's time do you think should be spent sorting out a misbehaving student and how much do you think should be spent teaching students who actually listen and want to learn?

I would have thought the answer to that was obvious ie as little and as much as possible.

yawha wrote: »

And in what ways do teachers treat students "deplorably"?

You misunderstood my post (again btw) I said allowed not allow.

kupus

Piliger wrote: »

Duh ... most kids have no one at home during working hours... their parents work...

The rest I agree with wholeheartedly.:)

My point exactly, the parent would actually have to leave work, and not get paid for the day to accommodate the disruptive kid.......HIT THEM IN THEIR POCKETS.
Then its the responsibility of the parent then to keep their kid on a leash and not the baby sitting service that school has become.

DylanII

The thing is that no one really knows what happened. If someone asks a question the OP doesn't really answer it.

All that I can see is that her child claimed that a few people were laughing and she was laughing louder. If I was this teacher in this situation I don't think there would be a punishment unless it happened to often.

But, by laughing louder do you mean that she naturally has a loud laugh or she was trying to get attention by laughing really loud (like a lot of students do to 'look cool'). If the later then she did deserve a punishment. If this was the case then she would most likely be a disruptive child anyway. The kind that makes faces and distracts people. I don't disagree with the punishment in this case.

Sure, the child may have felt embarrassed, but she will get over it, or realise that this is what happens when I do something stupid and stops misbehaving.

Embarrassment isn't all that bad a thing. Children get embarrassed all the time, if they are in class and the teacher asks a question, she doesn't know the answer and looks 'stupid' to her friends. She will be embarrassed, but does that mean that the teacher should stop asking questions?

I think people need to get over all of this political correctness bull**** and get on with their lives.

I know that if my child (if I had any) came home and said they didn't learn anything in Science today because the teacher spent the whole class trying to deal with a little brat then I would not be happy (Thats why I think streamlining is a good thing).

Of course, I have just made a lot of assumptions but we don't actually have any information.

Piliger

kupus wrote: »

My point exactly, the parent would actually have to leave work, and not get paid for the day to accommodate the disruptive kid.......HIT THEM IN THEIR POCKETS.
Then its the responsibility of the parent then to keep their kid on a leash and not the baby sitting service that school has become.

I am gobsmacked. Truly.

GalwayGirl00

marienbad wrote: »

So if this dos'nt work what would you propose next ?

If it is so humiliating and demeaning as you stated previously then surely the girl won't do it again? Why are you harping on about the next step? She will have learned her lesson, the parent will have(or should) have explained it shouldn't happen again , and the teacher will have been informed that the parent does not agree with this type of punishment and come to an agreement with the parent about what should be done IF anything happens again.

Pawwed Rig

relevant article on RTE today

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1001/education-teachers-ncse.html

vamos!

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

relevant article on RTE today

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1001/education-teachers-ncse.html

Relevant,yes. A good thing- probably not. The state is concerned about the 200 million being spent on learning support for students with behavioural issues. A curse will be useful and helpful but not all students can be in a class of 27 or so all day every day. The other students will suffer, as well as the child with additional needs and the teacher and no amount of training will allow a teacher effectively teach a large class of various needs and abilities as well as serious behavioural issues. This is another cut being dressed up as 'help' for ineffective teachers. Once the support is cut and the effects are obvious, it will be too late...

Trotter

And who's fault will it be?.. Teachers again.

Pawwed Rig

Any training is beneficial though because as you said previously the teacher training courses are lacking in that area. Although I am not sure wht 3 days is going to do for anyone.

vamos!

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Any training is beneficial though because as you said previously the teacher training courses are lacking in that area. Although I am not sure wht 3 days is going to do for anyone.

While it is true that teacher training courses are somewhat lacking in the area, discipline and strategies for dealing with general classroom management and challenging behaviour are things you learn on the job, in a real-life situation. Each class is different and schools vary wildly. One size just does not fit all. I have had to completely change my approach when moving schools. I would be interested to see what a trainer could suggest, but we are not psychologists. We are responsible for the education of and general well-being of all students in our care. Yes, we need to keep a well-controlled classroom, so that we can teach and students can learn but we can't have children with very challenging behaviour in the room full-time with no extra support.It doesn't help anyone and no 3 day course will address the reality!

Pawwed Rig

Unfortunately not all are capable of learning on the job so getting a few pointers cannot possibly do any harm, even if it just tells them what kind of punishments are effective against those that just waste everyones time

SerialComplaint

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

relevant article on RTE today

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1001/education-teachers-ncse.html

Any idea why the NCSE are pushing this? I thought they only dealt with students with special needs?

Morag

Because they are mainstreaming kids who have special needs into class rooms and the teachers don't know how to manage them. Kids with Aspergers now now longer get an SNA or even a shared SNA and so the teachers have to learn to manage them in a class.

SerialComplaint

Sharrow wrote: »

Because they are mainstreaming kids who have special needs into class rooms and the teachers don't know how to manage them. Kids with Aspergers now now longer get an SNA or even a shared SNA and so the teachers have to learn to manage them in a class.

Is there a particular link between kids with disabilities and bad behaviour? I'd have thought that the two are very different issues, requiring very different management.

Morag

I never said bad behavior but it's also used for distracting and disruptive behavior.
Heading of nonconstructive interactions for the sake of the whole class.

Piliger

Sharrow wrote: »

I never said bad behavior but it's also used for distracting and disruptive behavior.
Heading of nonconstructive interactions for the sake of the whole class.

Of course. I had this with my son when he was in 4th class. A boy with learning disabilities who got frustrated 10 times a day and disrupted the class all through the year. I and other parents came to discuss it with the Head to no avail. His hands were tied. It was a disgrace.

Sorcha16

tap wrote: »

Ah come on! Teachers often leave class.

Teachers do not often leave class. Do your duty as a parent and have a word with your daughter about behaving correctly in school, otherwise accept the consequences.

SerialComplaint

Sharrow wrote: »

I never said bad behavior but it's also used for distracting and disruptive behavior.
Heading of nonconstructive interactions for the sake of the whole class.

I understand that some students with disabilities have behaviour issues, just as many other students have behaviour issues. The broad impression that I get from this issue being driven by the NCSE is that all or most behaviour issues relate to students with disabilities - which isn't my understanding of the situation.

LegacyUser

Facing a wall isn't exactly corporal punishment.
Equally, when I was in 3rd and 4th class of primary school, I had a teacher who used verbally insult students in the class on a daily basis ("you're not as clever as you think you are", "your hair has split ends", ect- v damaging to a 10yr old girls' self-esteem!).
Running to mammy about it wasn't an option, we all just hated the teacher& just got on with it, no-one died as a result or anything.
All your daughter had to contend with was being ignored. Whilst it wasn't productive looking at a wall, I'm sure it offered her valuable time to ponder her predicament without distractions. Doesn't sound like she ever encountered this "time out" method before?

Also, when I was on holidays from college- not Teacher Training College, I took a completely different path- I was asked by a local teacher to supervise her class for an hour as she had an emergency to attend to. A doddle, I thought.
20minutes in, and ONE lunatic of an 8yr old, who I still remember to this day, was running amuck& the whole class following him. Finding myself threatening to throw his beloved football (that he was throwing around the room) out the window, I had to stop myself& ask "What the hell are you doing?!". Long story short, don't underestimate how hard it is to be a teacher until you've been in their shoes. I know I've had a newfound respect for their job ever since that day! I still have nightmares about it tbh.

irishbanger

First teachers get paid to do a job, students don't.
Not all children are angels but they are children.
Teachers are adults or suppose to be.
Children are emotional they are children and 6 hours a day is long for them.
Teachers are not suppose to be emotional they are paid to do a job.
Children are forced to attend schools.
Teachers don't have to.
Children have to do what they're told when they're told or be in trouble.
Teachers can decide what they do and when they do it.
Children have no rights or voice.
Teachers make the rules and decide what rules are enforced and on what children.
Young children are usually open and honest.
Teachers and schools are very secretive and don't like sharing with parents.

All children lie, didn't they lie about the priests nuns and unchristian brothers.
Go to the board of management they ask the teacher did you do or say that, no ok then the child was lying no further action required.
More kids are bullied and more severely by teachers than other students and have a much longer impact.
Where do you think all the suicidal and depressed young people come from.
Where do all the thugs and anti-social people come from.
They've all been in schools and been educated well but not in the way we would like.
Then theres staff room solidarity teachers backing one another up, board of management backing them up, unions backing them up, dept of education backing them up, hse, mental health etc... All the people who earn money from it.
Who backs up the child????? maybe their parents if they can.
Been there seen it know it happens a lot, hope its not happening to your kids will your kids tell you or are they too afriad to.........

seavill

irishbanger wrote: »

First teachers get paid to do a job, students don't.
Not all children are angels but they are children.
Teachers are adults or suppose to be.
Children are emotional they are children and 6 hours a day is long for them.
Teachers are not suppose to be emotional they are paid to do a job.
Children are forced to attend schools.
Teachers don't have to.
Children have to do what they're told when they're told or be in trouble.
Teachers can decide what they do and when they do it.
Children have no rights or voice.
Teachers make the rules and decide what rules are enforced and on what children.
Young children are usually open and honest.
Teachers and schools are very secretive and don't like sharing with parents.

All children lie, didn't they lie about the priests nuns and unchristian brothers.
Go to the board of management they ask the teacher did you do or say that, no ok then the child was lying no further action required.
More kids are bullied and more severely by teachers than other students and have a much longer impact.
Where do you think all the suicidal and depressed young people come from.
Where do all the thugs and anti-social people come from.
They've all been in schools and been educated well but not in the way we would like.
Then theres staff room solidarity teachers backing one another up, board of management backing them up, unions backing them up, dept of education backing them up, hse, mental health etc... All the people who earn money from it.
Who backs up the child????? maybe their parents if they can.
Been there seen it know it happens a lot, hope its not happening to your kids will your kids tell you or are they too afriad to.........

I'll have to remember to tell my principal in the morning that first bit in bold.

I was actually only reading this thread last night for the first time. Had no intention of posting until I read the above. There are some major accusations and sweeping statements there. From your post you clearly have personal issues with teachers. You see us as the cause of all the worlds problems (the 2nd bit in bold). I think it is very unfair and very wrong to make such statements.

I was actually going to PM the OP to ask how this was resovled but seen as I am posting now, OP what happened in the end with this issue, was it resolved or was it just brushed away.

as I said only last night I read this thread from start to finish. People were getting quite angry with each other in parts which does not really help.

For the person who asked where all the professional were and how obviously we were all keeping quiet to protect our own, I would imagine not many of us actually are on the parenting forum very often so as a result would not see the thread as opposed to if it was on the T&L forum. Also as soon as one person opened their mouth in defense of a teacher they were jumped on so this is probably why others did not get involved.

As for the original reason for the thread a couple of things stood out to me. Firstly the input of the year head. Year heads are probably the most important people in the staff room as far as I am concerned, they are also as a result the busiest people there also. I have been in many school over the last number of years and I have certainly never seen a year head even want to get involved if it was someone laughing in class as a once off. (I am not saying this didn't happen I am just speaking from my own experience). From experience it was either a sustained problem or something more serious in that situation.

For the point of removing the child at the time, this is not possible in the majority of schools. At the time the teacher cannot leave the room, the teacher also can't send the student out of the room, this may have been near the end of a class, if so it probably would not have been resolved. Removing the person the next day in secondary makes sense as this would be the next time this person and teacher actually met so it was possibly to either make a point to the rest of the class that action would be taken or remove a distraction the following day to allow the class to continue and not effect the other students learning.

The question I would ask in relation to the "facing the wall" issue, was it the case that the student was put at a desk at the back of the room that was turned towards the wall as they would not be taking part in that lesson or was it that they were literally put standing against the wall an inch away. They are two very different scenarios and I don't remember anyone asking. The first one really there is no problem with, the second way is really something I remember from the 1980s and not today.

In relation to the other far more troublesome student, I would agree with I think vamos, other kids in the class and particularly other parents will not have a clue what is really going on there. We have one kid in my school that only the principal, vice and myself actually know what is going on at home and in his life outside of school. It is currently impacting on his school life in a huge way but things are being put in place. People must be very careful with these things, people think they know whats going on but in my case the other teacher think they know the story but in reality they havn't a clue.

Also one other question I would have is what did the year head lie to you about? You never said what it was. I am not defending anyone here I just have experience of it from all angles and sometimes taking a step back can help.

I do realise my post is a long time after the incident but I would certainly be interested in finding out what happened in the end.

My personal opinion is that I have no problem with a parent protecting their child and to be honest in the case I outlined above I wish more parents were willing to do more to protect their child but also jumping the gun on things doesn't help anyone either.
(I had a case before where a parent was in nearly attacking me for the fact that kids were stealing their son's books pencil case etc. being bullied as a result, teachers picking on him for not having his stuff etc. It turns out we caught on cctv that on the quiet he was actually dumping his books in the bins. No idea why, not sure did anyone ever find out the answer but far from it being all my fault, there was a whole other side to it. I was disappointed that that parent never apologised to me but such is life.)
There were some very passionate posts here from both sides but overall the whole thread was lacking some major facts for people to be properly able to judge or offer proper advice.
Someone disagreeing with you doesn't always mean they are protecting the teachers just as someone agreeing with you due to personal issues as with the post above doesn't offer any real perspective to a situation either.

kupus

Penny Dreadful

irishbanger wrote: »

First teachers get paid to do a job, students don't.
Not all children are angels but they are children.
Teachers are adults or suppose to be.
Children are emotional they are children and 6 hours a day is long for them.
Teachers are not suppose to be emotional they are paid to do a job.
Children are forced to attend schools.
Teachers don't have to.
Children have to do what they're told when they're told or be in trouble.
Teachers can decide what they do and when they do it.
Children have no rights or voice.
Teachers make the rules and decide what rules are enforced and on what children.
Young children are usually open and honest.
Teachers and schools are very secretive and don't like sharing with parents.

All children lie, didn't they lie about the priests nuns and unchristian brothers.
Go to the board of management they ask the teacher did you do or say that, no ok then the child was lying no further action required.
More kids are bullied and more severely by teachers than other students and have a much longer impact.
Where do you think all the suicidal and depressed young people come from.
Where do all the thugs and anti-social people come from.
They've all been in schools and been educated well but not in the way we would like.
Then theres staff room solidarity teachers backing one another up, board of management backing them up, unions backing them up, dept of education backing them up, hse, mental health etc... All the people who earn money from it.
Who backs up the child????? maybe their parents if they can.
Been there seen it know it happens a lot, hope its not happening to your kids will your kids tell you or are they too afriad to.........

Wow! Just wow!
I have no idea where you went to school but it sounds light years away from the nice normal primary and secondy schools I went to here in Ireland.
Your accusations and assumptions made in that post are astounding.

irishbanger

What accusations and assumptions are you talking about. I've written how it is.
Schools and teachers are like our government, pretending to be concerned about the welfare of its citizens. We all know what they want and thats personal gain.

tvnutz

irishbanger wrote: »

What accusations and assumptions are you talking about. I've written how it is.
Schools and teachers are like our government, pretending to be concerned about the welfare of its citizens. We all know what they want and thats personal gain.

Complete and utter rubbish, new account, clearly trolling.

All the extra curricular activites I do to get kids involved in sports is of course for my own personal gain.

Making myself available to kids should they need to talk about anything is all about me, the two girls who came to me and told me about another girl who had tried to kill herself, ye me going to the principal and making sure she got help was all to make me feel good.

Ridiculous post.

irishbanger

tvnutz wrote: »

Complete and utter rubbish, new account, clearly trolling.

All the extra curricular activites I do to get kids involved in sports is of course for my own personal gain.

Making myself available to kids should they need to talk about anything is all about me, the two girls who came to me and told me about another girl who had tried to kill herself, ye me going to the principal and making sure she got help was all to make me feel good.

Ridiculous post.

Take it your a teacher maybe good maybe bad but still blowing your own trumpet.
Why did the girl want to kill herself was it over school or a teacher picking on her just cause they could.
Stop living in cloud cuckoo land every profession has good and bad in it health police law teaching even politics, but I have met a lot more bad teachers than good especially women don't know why exectly anyway no use talking to a teacher is there.

gosplan

irishbanger wrote: »

but I have met a lot more bad teachers than good especially women don't know why exectly anyway no use talking to a teacher is there.

Clearly you had the same attitude in junior cert English class.

The fact that the girl didn't appreciate this punishment is proof for me that it was effective. Teachers don't have many tools to discipline kids now, especially when many parents automatically take the kids side.

And its certainly a lot milder that what we got in schools some years ago.

I would be interested to learn what punishment the mother would give her own child for misbehaving and if it works???

papu

To the original question. yes

tvnutz

irishbanger wrote: »

Take it your a teacher maybe good maybe bad but still blowing your own trumpet.
Why did the girl want to kill herself was it over school or a teacher picking on her just cause they could.
Stop living in cloud cuckoo land every profession has good and bad in it health police law teaching even politics, but I have met a lot more bad teachers than good especially women don't know why exectly anyway no use talking to a teacher is there.

I don't deny there are bad teachers, yet your mad views are that teachers are all mad and "no point in talking to a teacher". No point in talking to people like you is the thing.

As for the girl, trying to turn that back on it being a teacher's fault is sickening, bullying among people their own age is a major cause, lack of self worth that can happen to anyone, depression etc, doesn't make a difference, I put myself out there to help because I care what happens to these kids. You seem like a bit of a sick twisted person tbh.

irishbanger

gosplan wrote: »

Clearly you had the same attitude in junior cert English class.

How you mean exactly. Could it have something to do with the retarded teachers I had.

Penny Dreadful

irishbanger wrote: »

How you mean exactly. Could it have something to do with the retarded teachers I had.

So it isn't only teachers you have decided to be dismissive of and insulting towards:rolleyes:

irishbanger

tvnutz wrote: »

I don't deny there are bad teachers, yet your mad views are that teachers are all mad and "no point in talking to a teacher". No point in talking to people like you is the thing.

As for the girl, trying to turn that back on it being a teacher's fault is sickening, bullying among people their own age is a major cause, lack of self worth that can happen to anyone, depression etc, doesn't make a difference, I put myself out there to help because I care what happens to these kids. You seem like a bit of a sick twisted person tbh.

Teachers sticking up for teachers there's a surprise.
Never used the word mad they're selfish and weak usually.
Never said it was a teacher bullying the girl but if it was it'd be far worse on her if it was with no one to turn to.

Moonbeam

closing this thread for review and clean up.