Woman accuses three men of rape after drunken romp

kowloon

General General wrote: »

I think when a woman signals that she wants to do-the-fuc.kle-buck with you & two of your mates, you should sense that something could go awry.

+1, tag teaming a drunk girl with two of your mates kind of takes the romance out of it for me.

Eve_Dublin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I don't think it's hate that they're spouting anytime a topic like this pops up against all rape victims. I think it's just anger that people like this woman exist.

By saying she deserves to get raped?

Tombi!

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

By saying she deserves to get raped?

One poster doesn't mean it's what the majority think.

ahnowbrowncow

Quorum wrote: »

Really? It's my observation that there is plenty of sympathy for the falsely accused men in this thread.

Not from the female posters, feel free to show me some. If you can show me three posts, before this one, from a feminist poster condemning the woman and sympathising with the 3 victims I'll accept your point.

That should be relatively easy seeing as there 105 posts and there is "plenty of sympathy"

Tombi!

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Not from the female posters, feel free to show me some. If you can show me three posts, before this one, from a feminist poster condemning the woman and sympathising with the 5 victims I'll accept your point.

That should be relatively easy seeing as there 105 posts and there is "plenty of sympathy"

5 victims? Wha?
Okay but what defines a feminist to you? That would be something we need to know so we can pick some posts out first.

dark crystal

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

On these types of threads the feminist posters on this site or quite possibly the misandrists show little sympathy for the male victims but on a female rape thread they are outraged and quick to give thanks to people who condemn the male perpetrator. Just an observation

Can you point out the posts which show little sympathy for the men in this case?

py2006

I recall a time were I was falsely accused of theft. It angered and upset me immensely and I lost a lot of sleep over it. It haunted me over the years until I later found out that the person (who I suspected) was fired from the job for theft in other areas.

I could not imagine what being falsely accused of rape would do to a man.

Quorum

py2006 wrote: »

Now hold on a second. Firstly, I never referred to this woman as a 'slapper'. In fact I don't think it suits. I did offer a definition of the word as you requested. Also, that individual who suggested she should be raped is NOT something I agree with.

You are clearly trying to twist my words into being anti women. I am very much anti THIS particular woman.

You did say 'slapper' was a mild term though. In my book, it's not.

ahnowbrowncow

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

5 victims? Wha?
Okay but what defines a feminist to you? That would be something we need to know so we can pick some posts out first.

Or just female either, I don't mind. I'm just saying there is a scarcity of sympathy being shown for these men from the opposite gender

py2006

Quorum wrote: »

You did say 'slapper' was a mild term though. In my book, it's not.

That was in response to the poster who felt this women should not be called that.

Millicent

py2006 wrote: »

I recall a time were I was falsely accused of theft. It angered and upset me immensely and I lost a lot of sleep over it. It haunted me over the years until I later found out that the person (who I suspected) was fired from the job for theft in other areas.

I could not imagine what being falsely accused of rape would do to a man.

It's a horrible thing to do. Can't imagine that anyone who does something like that is right in the head, tbh. I seriously can't picture trying to destroy someone's life without having something seriously the matter with you.

Millicent

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Or just female either, I don't mind. I'm just saying there is very little sympathy being shown for these men from the opposite gender

You do know "feminist" and "female" are not synonyms, right? And when someone goes on the attack calling the woman "a slapper who gangbanged" those guys in the opening post, it's not really surprising when female posters go on the defence. Another poster saying the girl deserves to be raped doesn't help to calm that defensive reaction either. It doesn't mean the women posting have no sympathy with the men involved.

kevmol88

py2006 wrote: »

I recall a time were I was falsely accused of theft. It angered and upset me immensely and I lost a lot of sleep over it. It haunted me over the years until I later found out that the person (who I suspected) was fired from the job for theft in other areas.

I could not imagine what being falsely accused of rape would do to a man.

It could end up with him being murdered.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77379917&postcount=1

py2006

kevmol88 wrote: »

It could end up with him being murdered.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77379917&postcount=1

Oh I remember reading that. That was awful.

csi vegas

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Or just female either, I don't mind. I'm just saying there is a scarcity of sympathy being shown for these men from the opposite gender

Here you go - missed my one...

csi vegas wrote: »

Will probably accuse a prison officer or another female inmate of the same when the spotlight shines off her, just for kicks like.

Should be thrown in an isolated cell with her porridge slid in under the door.
No one is safe from a person like that. Everybody she will ever come in contact with is a potential victim, even when she's a pensioner.

Most likely she was an insecure little drama queen as a kid, tantrums for attention, making stuff up about other kids, pretending the dog bit her etc.
A very sad individual indeed.

Tombi!

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Or just female either, I don't mind. I'm just saying there is a scarcity of sympathy being shown for these men from the opposite gender

I have to agree with Millie as per usual on this.
Look, just because the women aren't jumping and screaming like a pack of monkeys for the head of the woman doesn't mean they don't feel sorry for the men.

It doesn't make a feminist a feminist just because she's a woman who got more offended by comments calling to rape the woman as a punishment.
It makes them people that have a better idea of punishment than people who think rape is a suitable punishment.

Quorum

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Not from the female posters, feel free to show me some. If you can show me three posts, before this one, from a feminist poster condemning the woman and sympathising with the 3 victims I'll accept your point.

That should be relatively easy seeing as there 105 posts and there is "plenty of sympathy"

Here you go:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80835008&postcount=37

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80835196&postcount=44

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80836137&postcount=55

That was easy.

Quorum

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Not from the female posters, feel free to show me some. If you can show me three posts, before this one, from a feminist poster condemning the woman and sympathising with the 3 victims I'll accept your point.

dark crystal wrote: »

Can you point out the posts which show little sympathy for the men in this case?

Indeed. Show us three posts that little sympathy for the falsely accused men. Only then your point will be accepted, using your own guidelines.

ahnowbrowncow

Millicent wrote: »

You do know "feminist" and "female" are not synonyms, right? And when someone goes on the attack calling the woman "a slapper who gangbanged" those guys in the opening post, it's not really surprising when female posters go on the defence. Another poster saying the girl deserves to be raped doesn't help to calm that defensive reaction either. It doesn't mean the women posting have no sympathy with the men involved.

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

The op was clearly annoyed, he called her an offensive word, surely people have a right to be upset with her. No need to derail the bloody thread and completely avoid the main issue by debating the definition of a slapper

Quorum

py2006 wrote: »

That was in response to the poster who felt this women should not be called that.

I don't believe she should, mainly because it's not really relevant and actually detracts from the terrible thing she did, IMO.

Tombi!

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

The op was clearly annoyed, he called her an offensive word, surely people have a right to be upset with her. No need to derail the bloody thread and completely avoid the main issue by debating the definition of a slapper

Actually I'd wager apart from the fact the OP had to be edited, this post was the one that started kicking things off:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80834673&postcount=30

ahnowbrowncow

Quorum wrote: »

Here you go:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80835008&postcount=37

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80835196&postcount=44

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80836137&postcount=55

That was easy.

Very little condemning or sympathy in those posts, you seem more upset about the op calling the CRIMINAL a slapper rather than the possibility of 3 men spending a large portion of their lives in prison due to a malicious lie

Quorum

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

I gave you three examples. Are you sure you read the thread? And if you're not sure of the gender of some posters, how can you contend that only one person sympathising with the men is female?

Tombi!

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Very little condemning or sympathy in those posts, you seem more upset about the op calling the CRIMINAL a slapper rather than the possibility of 3 men spending a large portion of their lives in prison due to a malicious lie

No excuse at all for what she did - that is certainly true.

Seems like she's condemning the woman there.

What a stupid little bitch, No man will touch her now anyway. I detest women like this, so flippant about destroying two mens lives just because she regretted sleeping with them, You cant just decide someone raped you?!

Same thing as above.

The woman was wrong and it was an awful thing to do, no need to use the word slapper though.

And again, the same.

Quorum

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Very little condemning or sympathy in those posts, you seem more upset about the op calling the CRIMINAL a slapper rather than the possibility of 3 men spending a large portion of their lives in prison due to a malicious lie

Well, you asked for examples and there they are, it's not my problem if you don't deem them sympathetic enough.

For me, the term slapper was irrelevant and inflammatory. She did a terrible thing and that should have been allowed to stand alone without sensationalist language being used.

Madam_X

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

The op was clearly annoyed, he called her an offensive word, surely people have a right to be upset with her. No need to derail the bloody thread and completely avoid the main issue by debating the definition of a slapper

I showed sympathy for them in post #95. And said in post #37 there was no excuse for it.

If you're trying to say women here don't give a damn about them, you've the wrong end of the stick. The sympathy would be a lot more apparent if some folks hadn't decided to muddy the discussion by saying she should get raped/serves her right if she does. You recently said it's deemed more acceptable on AH for a man to be assaulted than for a woman to be - thats not true either.

Millicent

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

The op was clearly annoyed, he called her an offensive word, surely people have a right to be upset with her. No need to derail the bloody thread and completely avoid the main issue by debating the definition of a slapper

There have been some inflammatory posts in here that have derailed the thread, which are primarily what have caused female posters to react in the way they have. You can't bitch at those who have the temerity to be offended when someone says that the woman deserves to be raped. It's an inevitable consequence of a post like that, as too is the use of the word "slapper". It has no place on the forum. If I am annoyed with a black person, I would not be allowed to call him the n-word. Same with a gay person -- I would be infracted for calling him the f-word. Quite rightly too.

You have also been pointed to three separate posts before you asked the question; there are more following that post.

py2006

Quorum wrote: »

For me, the term slapper was irrelevant and inflammatory. She did a terrible thing and that should have been allowed to stand alone without sensationalist language being used.

Are you actually being serious?

Gauss

humbert wrote: »

Falsely accusing someone of rape isn't as bad as raping someone and shouldn't get the same prison sentence.

Two years seems pretty fair to me, that's not a trivial sentence.

But surely the punishment should fit the crime. If someone imprisoned another person
For
Ten years in their
Basement they should get ten years in prison.

Millicent

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

BTW, did you see my post here? There's another one for you.

dark crystal

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Not from the female posters, feel free to show me some. If you can show me three posts, before this one, from a feminist poster condemning the woman and sympathising with the 3 victims I'll accept your point.

In relation to this story, there is no excuse for what this woman did. It's a shameful thing to put anyone through and she absolutely deserved to be prosecuted.
Cases like these (which are, thankfully, rare enough) give ammunition to all those people who dismiss rapists as 'sound lads' and 'respected members of the town' and the victims as slappers. She's done a great disservice, both to the innocent men and to genuine victims of rape.

The woman was wrong and it was an awful thing to do

She is a liar and a criminal, that's proven, that's fact.

Yes, women wrongly accuse men of rape (and this woman was very wrong in this case and deserved the punishment) but a vast majority don't

It should just be about how these three guys had their lives ruined by a complete wagon and how thankfully now though there is justice and hopefully awareness will be created......
I'm delighted these men's names have been cleared though and that woman is facing consequences for the terrible thing she did. Hopefully she is very remorseful and hopefully the men's lives won't be messed up by "no smoke without fire" crap.

There's five right there.

ahnowbrowncow

Quorum wrote: »

Well, you asked for examples and there they are, it's not my problem if you don't deem them sympathetic enough.

For me, the term slapper was irrelevant and inflammatory. She did a terrible thing and that should have been allowed to stand alone without sensational language used.

Who cares what she was called? She is a criminal who nearly got 3 innocent men sent to prison for a very long time.

Slapper is defined as "a woman who has sex with a lot of men" by cambridge dictionaries online. Maybe you should start a thread about your issue with the word :rolleyes:

Millicent

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Who cares what she was called? She is a criminal who nearly got 3 innocent men sent to prison for a very long time.

Slapper is defined as "a woman who has sex with a lot of men" by cambridge dictionaries online. Maybe you should start a thread about your issue with the word :rolleyes:

What about the post who said she deserves to be raped? Do you think that's alright?

ahnowbrowncow

Millicent wrote: »

BTW, did you see my post here? There's another one for you.

Did you see my post, I said previous posts to #105

Millicent wrote: »

What about the post who said she deserves to be raped? Do you think that's alright?

No of course not, but once again it was an angry poster posting, I highly doubt anyone of a sound mind would like to see anyone get raped.

Piste

It was an absolutely terrible accusation for the girl to make and she does deserve to be punished, but how on EARTH can anyone think that accusing someone of rape is a crime on the same level as rape? Get a sense of proportionality!

Tombi!

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Did you see my post, I said previous posts to #105

Could you please explain what you believe a feminist poster to be?

hatrickpatrick

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Have to agree. I know people who believe this are the minority but they're there.

Yes, women wrongly accuse men of rape (and this woman was very wrong in this case and deserved the punishment) but a vast majority don't. Those men who've been found innocent aren't always innocent and those who've been found guilty aren't always so either.


I'd presume, like all crimes, that most of the victims are telling the truth but some are liars. Why is rape the exception? Why tarnish all the genuine cases (again, the vast vaaaaast majority) with the actions of a few lunatics? We don't do that with other crimes. Seems to happen a fair bit round here.

People are waiting for this kind of thing to happen to spout their hatred and make out like it happens all the time and we need to be suspicious of every woman who reports a rape when we wouldn't do the same for victims of other crimes. It's deeply depressing.

Very simple reason. How do you know that "the vaaaaast majority" of accusations are true, if they don't secure convictions?
Why is that "innocent until proven guilty" does not count in sexual accusations for so many people? You are assuming here that the majority of acquittals were miscarriages of justice, which is deeply wrong on so many levels. Why do you fin it so easy to assume that most accusers are telling the truth as opposed to the accused?

Quorum

py2006 wrote: »

Are you actually being serious?

Deadly serious.

The OP should try and get a job writing for a red top.

py2006

I think some of the female posters are focusing too much on 'men' insulting this particular woman.

While its not nice to call women 'slappers' I think the word is rather tame in this case. To focus on that rather than what this individual actually did raises some questions about some of the posters on here to be honest.

Madam_X

Millicent wrote: »

What about the post who said she deserves to be raped? Do you think that's alright?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80835061&postcount=39

humbert

Gauss wrote: »

But surely the punishment should fit the crime. If someone imprisoned another person
For
Ten years in their
Basement they should get ten years in prison.

Well she failed to get them sent to prison so does that mean she shouldn't go to prison at all?

Ah, it's silly over-simplified biblical style reasoning. Prison is primarily to protect society and to deter would-be criminals, not punishment.

Quorum

py2006 wrote: »

While its not nice to call women 'slappers' I think the word is rather tame in this case. To focus on that rather than what this individual actually did raises some questions about some of the posters on here to be honest.

Actually, I feel calling her a slapper detracts from what she actually did. It doesn't matter that she was promiscuous, it matters that she almost ruined three men's lives.

But, instead of alluding, why not tell us what those "questions" are?

token101

2 years for what she did is a joke. 7 or 8 years would be fairer considering that's the minimum that any rapist would get for more than one rape.

Millicent

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Did you see my post, I said previous posts to #105

You were given three and you weren't happy with them. BTW, I only pointed to my post because you said:

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I have read the whole thread, and there is one post from a known female poster who says "No excuse at all for what she did".

That is the extent of the sympathy being shown by female posters have for the 3 men.

That's patently not the case.

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

No of course not, but once again it was an angry poster posting, I highly doubt anyone of a sound mind would liked to see anyone get raped.

The same poster pointed to girls who *must* have falsely accused two guys he knew (despite those guys being convicted) because they were far too respectable men to have done anything like that. Doesn't sound like that post was written in anger (which is never an excuse for a post like that anyway).

Madam_X

py2006 wrote: »

I think some of the female posters are focusing too much on 'men' insulting this particular woman.

While its not nice to call women 'slappers' I think the word is rather tame in this case. To focus on that rather than what this individual actually did raises some questions about some of the posters on here to be honest.

Yeh what she did is infinitely worse for sure - think it just raises people's heckles though because it contributes to the whole "us and them" thing, which this shouldn't be about.

hatrickpatrick

Millicent wrote: »

What about the post who said she deserves to be raped? Do you think that's alright?

That post was disgusting and indefensible, but you get the same crap directed at men as well. I remember one case in which a man's ex tied him up and glued his penis to his stomach, and the judge let her off because 'he brought it on himself by cheating on her'. You also get a LOT of people who joke about prison rape in cases of criminals being jailed. So this is definitely by just a gender issue IMO.

Gauss

Quorum wrote: »

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Very little condemning or sympathy in those posts, you seem more upset about the op calling the CRIMINAL a slapper rather than the possibility of 3 men spending a large portion of their lives in prison due to a malicious lie

Well, you asked for examples and there they are, it's not my problem if you don't deem them sympathetic enough.

For me, the term slapper was irrelevant and inflammatory. She did a terrible thing and that should have been allowed to stand alone without sensationalist language being used.

She did a terrible thing did she. I find it curious that when "feminist" type posters criticise men I find they tend to say how evil he is etc and a scumbag. Whereas they criticise women by saying " no excuses, what she did was completely wrong".

Notice in the above quite how the woman's actions are being criticised and not the woman herself. It says a lot.


I can't imagine these posters saying " no excuses, what he did was wrong" after a man raped a woman.

It's like a slap on the wrist for a callous crime, these comments I'm reading show how some posters don't regard men to have feelings who can feel pain.

Millicent

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Very simple reason. How do you know that "the vaaaaast majority" of accusations are true, if they don't secure convictions?
Why is that "innocent until proven guilty" does not count in sexual accusations for so many people? You are assuming here that the majority of acquittals were miscarriages of justice, which is deeply wrong on so many levels. Why do you fin it so easy to assume that most accusers are telling the truth as opposed to the accused?

There are statistics from various Rape Crisis Centres that bear out her post.

Gauss

Piste wrote: »

It was an absolutely terrible accusation for the girl to make and she does deserve to be punished, but how on EARTH can anyone think that accusing someone of rape is a crime on the same level as rape? Get a sense of proportionality!

Well if the punishment for rape matches the crime of rape then giving the punishment matches the crime of rape.

Millicent

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That post was disgusting and indefensible, but you get the same crap directed at men as well. I remember one case in which a man's ex tied him up and glued his penis to his stomach, and the judge let her off because 'he brought it on himself by cheating on her'. You also get a LOT of people who joke about prison rape in cases of criminals being jailed. So this is definitely by just a gender issue IMO.

Yep and I have the very same problem with them on those threads too. Wishing rape as a punishment and for that matter any of the baying for blood that I see on AH threads like that are disgusting too. It's not a gender issue -- people were being the same about Batman shooter, as one recent example.