Are things looking up?

Tommy Dillon

Is it just me or are things beginning to look up regarding jobs? I have noticed and increase of jobs being created or is it just the media shoveling us the **** we want to hear and masking the fact that there are still huge job losses every day?

FatherLen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7z192I-mQM

eth0

Still huge job losses. Still a long way to go before all the people made redundant in the past few years have jobs. I'm not even sure if the current job creation rate is making up for the jobs being lost.

smash

eth0 wrote: »

Still huge job losses. Still a long way to go before all the people made redundant in the past few years have jobs. I'm not even sure if the current job creation rate is making up for the jobs being lost.

I don't think it is covering it. You might hear this week that 50 jobs were created somewhere but that's doesn't cover the couple of hundred let go in Target. And that's just one company which has made people redundant.

BigFatGiant

Its just Enda trying to claim responsibility for creating these jobs. As if he is responsible for the success of EA computer games.

kneemos

Our default setting is emmigration and misery,abandon all hope and get used to it.

Gee Bag

BigFatGiant wrote: »

Its just Enda trying to claim responsibility for creating these jobs. As if he is responsible for the success of EA computer games.

Enda and the cabinet spent all summer playing FIFA to bring those jobs here.

Feeona

Ireland can be likened to a dog with a cone on his neck looking up at the sky when it's raining.

JohnMarston

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

kneemos

You must be young op,the hope is still strong.

eth0

JohnMarston wrote: »

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

Even then there are plenty of temporary "outsourcing preparation" jobs, 6 month contract to help a company put you and everyone else who works for the company in Ireland (except a few top lads) out of a job.

Gee Bag

JohnMarston wrote: »

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

So this whole recession thing is imaginary?

Them troika lads are just after playing the best practical joke ever! Who says ze Germans don't have a sense of humour.

Mr Benevolent

NO. That is all.

Duggy747

When I was looking for work it was pretty much:

Job requires experience.

Require job for experience.

Chevolution

kneemos wrote: »

Our default setting is emmigration and misery,abandon all hope and get used to it.

Lovely cheery thought to start the morning

JohnMarston

Gee Bag wrote: »

So this whole recession thing is imaginary?

Them troika lads are just after playing the best practical joke ever! Who says ze Germans don't have a sense of humour.

Oh there was/is a recession, i'm just saying its an employers market now. So few jobs for such a large number of unemployed people means an employer can demand x degree and y number of years experience

working fool

JohnMarston wrote: »

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

I don't think anyone in this country has the qualifications to run a country if that's what ur getting at ? Lol

SEPT 23 1989

Another 3 billion taken out of the economy in December

we are nowhere near the bottom yet

Where To

It's just things balancing themselves out again. There was always work in Ireland, even in the darkest days of the eighties,people still had work. The boom brought too many makeyuppey and unsustainable jobs, all of which must be eradicated.

clappyhappy

well there were 400 jobs announced in Galway yesterday and seemingly there is to be a major jobs announcement for Limerick today. I think that where the problem is, is people who were left go over the past few years mainly from the construction and surrounding areas, the majority of these people have families, kids going to school, houses they can't sell etc. So they can't get up and move to places where these jobs are being announced. These people are the ones who will find it the most difficult to get jobs, so we won't see a mojor shift in the unemployment figures, as it will probably be people just out of college acquiring them.

Dravokivich

smash wrote: »

I don't think it is covering it. You might hear this week that 50 jobs were created somewhere but that's doesn't cover the couple of hundred let go in Target. And that's just one company which has made people redundant.

Found it hilarious that the new Jelly Bean factory up by Blanch made front page of the metro for 25 new jobs.

So we need like 16,660 more small factories to fix up our unemployment issue with redundancy over the last few years...

swimming in a sea

Has anybody a link to how many people in work? say 2007 figure compared to now. I'm tired of hearing about the unemployment rate and how it has now stabilised, as far as I can see its stabilised since the emigration rate is so high.

666irishguy

I genuinely don't think things are as bad as they were. I remember walking through Ennis early on November 2009, and basically the place was deserted. The apocalypse was upon us. Never happened. I am still not able to find a full time permanent job, but all I can do is keep up hope and doing whatever temp or part time gig comes up. The news from Europe is looking a bit more promising and hopefully they will get that EU money printer rolling (in a responsible manner) and bring some kind of stability back to the world. I have to admit people are under amazing financial strain and worry and the amount of personal tragedy in this recession is evident on every radio station and newspaper every day, but at least we didn't descend in to the madness of Greece. They are totally ****ed, we have hope at least.

swimming in a sea

666irishguy wrote: »

I genuinely don't think things are as bad as they were. I remember walking through Ennis early on November 2009, and basically the place was deserted. The apocalypse was upon us. Never happened. I am still not able to find a full time permanent job, but all I can do is keep up hope and doing whatever temp or part time gig comes up. The news from Europe is looking a bit more promising and hopefully they will get that EU money printer rolling (in a responsible manner) and bring some kind of stability back to the world. I have to admit people are under amazing financial strain and worry and the amount of personal tragedy in this recession is evident on every radio station and newspaper every day, but at least we didn't descend in to the madness of Greece. They are totally ****ed, we have hope at least.

I came from a month out of the country in the same month November 2009 and got the bus from Dublin Airport to Galway. It so depressing, I had missed the express bus so got one that went through all the small towns, I was one of five passengers who left Dublin. Now I was suffering post holiday blues but also I had just missed the big floods and every town we went through was deserted and ravaged by the floods, the worst was Ballinasloe with no inhabitants and sandbags all over the place, it looked post apocalyptic.

I think around that time people were over all depressed and worried about an all out collapse, that their savings may have disappeared. Now people are less worried as they know there won't be one big bang collapse it will be just drip drip. Quantitative Easing, goverment bonds will just gradually inflate our savings away:(

starbelgrade

Holy crap.. have you seen the new cover for EA Sports FIFA13?

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Chazz Michael Michaels

eth0 wrote: »

Still huge job losses.

Definitely no change.

http://www.google.ie/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country_group&idim=country:ie&ifdim=country_group&tstart=1195430400000&tend=1342652400000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=unemployment+ireland

ilovesleep

666irishguy wrote: »

I genuinely don't think things are as bad as they were. I remember walking through Ennis early on November 2009, and basically the place was deserted. The apocalypse was upon us. Never happened. I am still not able to find a full time permanent job, but all I can do is keep up hope and doing whatever temp or part time gig comes up. The news from Europe is looking a bit more promising and hopefully they will get that EU money printer rolling (in a responsible manner) and bring some kind of stability back to the world. I have to admit people are under amazing financial strain and worry and the amount of personal tragedy in this recession is evident on every radio station and newspaper every day, but at least we didn't descend in to the madness of Greece. They are totally ****ed, we have hope at least.

'we have hope at least'

While we have a greedy top establishment here in this country, I don't think so.

kneemos

We have The Gathering to look foward to,we can show the Americans how we have "the craic"

eth0

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Definitely no change.

http://www.google.ie/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country_group&idim=country:ie&ifdim=country_group&tstart=1195430400000&tend=1342652400000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=unemployment+ireland

Worser tis getting

ejmaztec

Things will be looking up when people looking for slave-labour interns can't get any takers.

666irishguy

ilovesleep wrote: »

'we have hope at least'

While we have a greedy top establishment here in this country, I don't think so.

I don't buy the myth of the greedy top establishment. They are not untouchable, people power would be all it would take to really force change. But guess what?...most people don't give a damn about physically trying to affect politics, especially when times were good. If you tried to organise any kind of political mass movement to protest, you would get unending messages of support, but nobody would bother their holes to turn up. The mindset in this country is always "Shur someone else will do it, there will be enough of em there". Personal responsibility across all areas of life or lack of it, is also a massive reason that we are in this mess. Those in power have a huge amount to answer for, but aren't we the ones who elected them? and more than likely because we voted for them last time. I will continue to hope that things will get better.

PhlegmyMoses

Things will probably get better for those who can afford to stick it out. The sheer number of young people emigrating is what prevents our unemployment rates from looking much worse. If those people had stuck around, 200 jobs here and there would be a drop in the ocean.

Toby Take a Bow

Are we not at the highest level of unemployment since the crash? And emigration is still pretty high, right? And the housing market is yet to reach bottom (or at least most economists seem to be of this opinion)? And then we've another 'harsh' budget where they'll be taking further billions out of our economy (because austerity has clearly been working for the last couple of years).

Based on all this, I think we've a way to go before we turn the corner, and other such meaningless cliches.

666irishguy

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I came from a month out of the country in the same month November 2009 and got the bus from Dublin Airport to Galway. It so depressing, I had missed the express bus so got one that went through all the small towns, I was one of five passengers who left Dublin. Now I was suffering post holiday blues but also I had just missed the big floods and every town we went through was deserted and ravaged by the floods, the worst was Ballinasloe with no inhabitants and sandbags all over the place, it looked post apocalyptic.

I think around that time people were over all depressed and worried about an all out collapse, that their savings may have disappeared. Now people are less worried as they know there won't be one big bang collapse it will be just drip drip. Quantitative Easing, goverment bonds will just gradually inflate our savings away:(

I think that time must have been the bleakest memories I will have of this whole mass. As for the drip, well it's easier to stop/deal with a dripping tap than deal with the mains exploding at once.

Tom Cruises Left Nut

The main problem is the default Irish setting of "oh god its terrible" and the media with "WE ARE DOOMED"

If people who have money, and it is true that a lot of people are no worse off these days, went out and spent it then this would in turn cause new jobs

So yeah, its the fault of all the moaning oul ones :pac:

buck65

Expect no improvement til 2016. But things will improve.

eth0

As a pessimist I keep misreading the title of the thread as "Are things fooking up?"

ejmaztec

t|nt|n wrote: »

The main problem is the default Irish setting of "oh god its terrible" and the media with "WE ARE DOOMED"

If people who have money, and it is true that a lot of people are no worse off these days, went out and spent it then this would in turn cause new jobs

So yeah, its the fault of all the moaning oul ones :pac:

I think most of the people with money are hanging onto it, because their doom mechanism is telling them that once they spend it, it'll be gone forever, never to be replaced.:(

bbam

Just on the news on the radio so I don't have a link.
Overall unemployment still rising.
Number of long term unemployed rising steady.
That and;
Fuel and other essentials still rising in price and seen as a one way only path.
Facing into an ongoing series of cuts in the next number of budgets.
Farming which was heralded as a major industry to support the export led recovery has just had a disastrous season where many farms will loose money for the year.

Things are not looking up, things are looking bleaker than ever.

Top that with a weak self serving government and it doesn't paint a nice future at all.
I have commitments I can't walk away from, otherwise I'd be on the plane, as would any saine rational person with a skill that can be exported.

Tom Cruises Left Nut

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think most of the people with money are hanging onto it, because their doom mechanism is telling them that once they spend it, it'll be gone forever, never to be replaced.:(

You can't take it with you I say

Gurgle

JohnMarston wrote: »

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

300 Jobs in EA, whats the betting they have to recruit outside the country for people with a 2nd language?

Learning a language is something you can do at home and at no cost beyond an internet connection. 4 years into the recession, and how many former construction workers have done anything to improve their job prospects?

admiralofthefleet

buck65 wrote: »

Expect no improvement til 2016. But things will improve.

at the start i guessed late 2013 will see a pick up. im hope im not wrong

Tommy Dillon

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

buck65 wrote: »

Expect no improvement til 2016. But things will improve.

at the start i guessed late 2013 will see a pick up. im hope im not wrong

Why 2013 if you don't mind me asking?

bamboozle

bbam wrote: »

Just on the news on the radio so I don't have a link.
Overall unemployment still rising.
Number of long term unemployed rising steady.
That and;
Fuel and other essentials still rising in price and seen as a one way only path.
Facing into an ongoing series of cuts in the next number of budgets.
Farming which was heralded as a major industry to support the export led recovery has just had a disastrous season where many farms will loose money for the year.

Things are not looking up, things are looking bleaker than ever.

Top that with a weak self serving government and it doesn't paint a nice future at all.
I have commitments I can't walk away from, otherwise I'd be on the plane, as would any saine rational person with a skill that can be exported.

you know how to paint a pretty picture!!!!

there are jobs out there and companies with roles to fill, especially in IT, unfortunately in some cases it appears to be difficult to persuade candidates to give up their social welfare entitlements to take these roles.

paikea

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Definitely no change.

http://www.google.ie/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country_group&idim=country:ie&ifdim=country_group&tstart=1195430400000&tend=1342652400000&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&q=unemployment+ireland

How do you want to feel today?

"Things are not that bad" - click on Spain

"I want my mommy!!!" - click on Sweden

PhlegmyMoses

Gurgle wrote: »

300 Jobs in EA, whats the betting they have to recruit outside the country for people with a 2nd language?

Learning a language is something you can do at home and at no cost beyond an internet connection. 4 years into the recession, and how many former construction workers have done anything to improve their job prospects?

Learning a language to a high enough level to function within a business environment is not as simple as downloading a few Michel Thomas audiobooks and Skyping a few Spaniards.

To suggest that construction workers should simply do this, many of whom left school precisely due to their natural affinity towards other kinds of learning and work, is disingenuous.

bbam

bamboozle wrote: »

you know how to paint a pretty picture!!!!

there are jobs out there and companies with roles to fill, especially in IT, unfortunately in some cases it appears to be difficult to persuade candidates to give up their social welfare entitlements to take these roles.

Yes I know there are some jobs out there if you have qualifications and experience... I changed jobs myself within the last year.

However if you happen to be 30 or under the prospects are indeed bleek.. the government can sugar coat it how they like but with unemployment growing and growing I'd say they are failing on their promises..

Reskilling is the only avenue for lots of people.. however this needs to be fully understood.. The likes of EA games aren't looking for forty something year old unemployed plasterers who have done a 9 month introduction to computers with FAS.. Reskilling to a decent standard takes 3-4 years of fulltime education.. thats a hard sell to a person with a few kids and a mortgage to service..

So the truth seems that if you have a decent Qualification, preferably in IT, experience, a second language and live in Dublin, Cork or Galway then yes things may seem a litle better.. But that leaves a whole swathe of people for whom the days are getting darker and darker, they feel forgotten and ignored.

Rural Ireland in general is moving backwards.. i see myself towns where the unemployment, expectations and attitudes are as bad as it was in the 80's with little hope... It won't take too long until it's like the 50's

aidan24326

JohnMarston wrote: »

There's plenty of jobs, provided you have the relevent qualifications and the required experience

That's just horsesh1t. There isn't 'plenty of jobs' regardless of what you are or aren't qualified in. We have almost half a million people unemployed. Where are all those jobs going to come from? The reality is that we'll never have them, because we have little or no indigenous industry of our own. What do we actually produce? Not much. Spuds and beef and a bit of software.

The notion that there's plenty of jobs is bollox. And obviously not everyone can be highly qualified, such qualifications wouldn't mean much if every Tom Dick and Harry had one. The majority of people rely on ordinary jobs to make a living, ordinsry office and factory jobs, cafes, reastaurants, pubs, shops etc. And those jobs simply don't exist as the vast majority of businesses are either not hiring or in many cases are actually laying people off.

ilovesleep

bbam wrote: »

Yes I know there are some jobs out there if you have qualifications and experience... I changed jobs myself within the last year.

However if you happen to be 30 or under the prospects are indeed bleek.. the government can sugar coat it how they like but with unemployment growing and growing I'd say they are failing on their promises..

Reskilling is the only avenue for lots of people.. however this needs to be fully understood.. The likes of EA games aren't looking for forty something year old unemployed plasterers who have done a 9 month introduction to computers with FAS.. Reskilling to a decent standard takes 3-4 years of fulltime education.. thats a hard sell to a person with a few kids and a mortgage to service..

So the truth seems that if you have a decent Qualification, preferably in IT, experience, a second language and live in Dublin, Cork or Galway then yes things may seem a litle better.. But that leaves a whole swathe of people for whom the days are getting darker and darker, they feel forgotten and ignored.

Rural Ireland in general is moving backwards.. i see myself towns where the unemployment, expectations and attitudes are as bad as it was in the 80's with little hope... It won't take too long until it's like the 50's

What was it like in the 50s?

Gurgle

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Learning a language to a high enough level to function within a business environment is not as simple as downloading a few Michel Thomas audiobooks and Skyping a few Spaniards.

Yes, it is.
Spend a few hours a day for 4 years with rosetta stone, audio books, web pages, blogs, news sites etc and you can be fluent in whatever language you choose.

Spend 4 years in UCD and you can get yourself a BA in a language studies. Throw in a H.Dip and you can teach languages to LC level.

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

To suggest that construction workers should simply do this, many of whom left school precisely due to their natural affinity towards other kinds of learning and work, is disingenuous.

Are you suggesting that 10% of the population (the current live register) don't have the capability to learn a foreign language?
I couldn't disagree more.
Anyone who can speak English can learn another language. It just takes time, effort and motivation. Motivation is sustainable employment, time and effort is up to the individual.

Gurgle

aidan24326 wrote: »

What do we actually produce? Not much. Spuds and beef and a bit of software.

What absolute bùllshìt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ireland_Export_Treemap.jpg