Any protestants in NI that feel Irish?

dara.obriain

jausus gallag, you'd put a paddy in charge of 70 million? did u c what they did with 4 million?

steddyeddy

dara.obriain wrote: »

jausus gallag, you'd put a paddy in charge of 70 million? did u c what they did with 4 million?

Well plenty of the Irish american paddys did well in charge of 280 million

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

I am a N.I Atheist from a protestant background, I fell strongly about being a proud Brit, I also love Ireland as my closest neighbors. People always look to history to help prop their agenda, but how far in history can we go, a long time ago we lived as one on one island, then Ireland separated but still our blood line is the same.
I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

Totally respect your opinion and I have said throughout this thread you are every bit as Irish as me or the next man/woman from any of the 26 counties and are entitled to express your opinion on the future of this island.

That said I don't agree with your opinion, the idea of the Irish state reuniting with the UK is totally unrealistic, you have to remember there is many people still alive here who were born in an non democratic occupied Ireland, they and their generation built up this country from ground up and while it is not perfect especially in the current climate most Irish people have a quality of life equal to that of any part of the UK. ...... And the idea of an Irish prime minister head of the UK is scary... Can you imagine enda kenny head of the best navy/army in the world ... Scary thought

Jimoslimos

gallag wrote: »

I am a N.I Atheist from a protestant background

Ah a Protestant atheist so. Don't believe in the whole religious bull but marching to/from a church is still an important part of your 'identity'

gallag wrote: »

I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

Even with a United Ireland within the UK an Irish PM would never ever happen. You only need to look at the vitriol displayed in the press when a Scot, Gordon Brown, had the temerity to become PM. Little to do with his failings in office but more where he came from. Imagine the outcry if a 'Paddy' became PM!

Wee Willy Harris

Willing to bet there's more Catholics in SI that feel 'british', as it were now if they could just specify whether that's Welsh, Scottish or english.

woodoo

gallag wrote: »

I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

There would be quite a number of people who would support that idea. Half of Dubin for a start . Where would the devolved government sit? and northern unionists would be a smaller entity within the whole of Ireland.

Chuck Stone

gallag wrote: »

I also love Ireland as my closest neighbors.

Where do you live then? Scotland? Wales?

I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k.

That's not a UI. An Ireland united under British rule? Over my dead body.

Seriously.

p.oconnor

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Where do you live then? Scotland? Wales?[/I]

I think when he said he was an atheist from NI he meant Northern Ireland....

weemcd

Late post, and you are probably discussing something else now, but i'm on page two, so...



Who gives a fúck what Ian Paisley thinks?

I'll tell you one thing, im drinking many a pint the day that man dies

gallag

Jimoslimos wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

I am a N.I Atheist from a protestant background

Ah a Protestant atheist so. Don't believe in the whole religious bull but marching to/from a church is still an important part of your 'identity'

gallag wrote: »

I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

Even with a United Ireland within the UK an Irish PM would never ever happen. You only need to look at the vitriol displayed in the press when a Scot, Gordon Brown, had the temerity to become PM. Little to do with his failings in office but more where he came from. Imagine the outcry if a 'Paddy' became PM!

I have never marched in my life and I believe religion is the ultimate evil, nothing but a tool to make men hate men.

p.oconnor

weemcd wrote: »

Who gives a fúck what Ian Paisley thinks?

I'll tell you one thing, im drinking many a pint the day that man dies

I certainly don't care what he says anyway but you have to realise there is a big % of the population of the North who do care what he says and hold him in high regard.

I will be indifferent when he does die, in all reality it won't make any difference to us down south.

Hannibal

gallag wrote: »

I am a N.I Atheist from a protestant background, I fell strongly about being a proud Brit, I also love Ireland as my closest neighbors. People always look to history to help prop their agenda, but how far in history can we go, a long time ago we lived as one on one island, then Ireland separated but still our blood line is the same.
I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

Why a "kingdom" and not a republic??

Do we always need to have the state supporting the priveledged minority to a life of wealth and luxury just because of their bloodline.

Arthur Wellesley was born in Dublin wasn't he? he was PM in the early 1800's

gallag

Chuck Stone wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

I also love Ireland as my closest neighbors.

Where do you live then? Scotland? Wales?

I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k.

That's not a UI. An Ireland united under British rule? Over my dead body.

Seriously.

You are letting your hate cloud your vision.

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

I have never marched in my life and I believe religion is the ultimate evil, nothing but a tool to make men hate men.

gallag, I do understand your political persuasion is different to most of us down south but what are the major reasons why you would not vote for a united Ireland under Dublin rule? .... or is it tradition that would mean you would not vote for a UI under any circumstances?

gallag

Dotsey wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

I am a N.I Atheist from a protestant background, I fell strongly about being a proud Brit, I also love Ireland as my closest neighbors. People always look to history to help prop their agenda, but how far in history can we go, a long time ago we lived as one on one island, then Ireland separated but still our blood line is the same.
I would only be happy with a United Ireland if it was an Ireland back in the u.k. the answer for the future is not separation and with a population of over 70 million, a kingdom of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales would weather the future well, image an Irish man or woman being prime minister.

Why a "kingdom" and not a republic??

Do we always need to have the state supporting the priveledged minority to a life of wealth and luxury just because of their bloodline.

Arthur Wellesley was born in Dublin wasn't he? he was PM in the early 1800's

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy, the actually sacrifice a lot and work pretty hard, I would not swap lives with them, probably because they have no real life. Any way, it's not like they are first knighting our women. No real negative.

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy, the actually sacrifice a lot and work pretty hard, I would not swap lives with them, probably because they have no real life. Any way, it's not like they are first knighting our women. No real negative.

That is actually one thing that I could never see happening in the republic, no one should have a right to be born into privilege like that, everyone should be equal from a man sweeping the road to the Taoiseach of the country.

gallag

p.oconnor wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

I have never marched in my life and I believe religion is the ultimate evil, nothing but a tool to make men hate men.

gallag, I do understand your political persuasion is different to most of us down south but what are the major reasons why you would not vote for a united Ireland under Dublin rule? .... or is it tradition that would mean you would not vote for a UI under any circumstances?

Simply because Ireland will fail, it is to small and has limited opportunity and industry, Ireland's biggest export is people. I also believe Scotland would fail on its own, as would Wales and England. Strength in numbers, the future will not be easy. Why let millions of years of our ancestors growing together be ruined by a few hundred years of being shifty to each other.

Chuck Stone

gallag wrote: »

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy

An oft trotted out and dubious justification for archaic traditions and as cover for the obscene waste of money that is the German 'British' royals.

Jimoslimos

gallag wrote: »

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy, the actually sacrifice a lot and work pretty hard, I would not swap lives with them, probably because they have no real life. Any way, it's not like they are first knighting our women. No real negative.

Oh right, a compromise then. I'm sure we could find some descendants of the last high King of Tara somewhere. A united Ireland with its own constitutional monarchy. How about it?

Or what you actually mean to say,

Unionism = English Monarchism

gallag

Chuck Stone wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy

An oft trotted out and dubious justification for archaic traditions and as cover for the obscene waste of money that is the German 'British' royals.

Yet the pope is king. Living a life as comfortable as any royal while really not giving a **** about 2500 people dying every day from no water, until one of them tries a condom, same as the church of England, nearly as much money as the Vatican, equally as stupid. Compared to this lot, the hard working royal family are diamonds.

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

Simply because Ireland will fail, it is to small and has limited opportunity and industry, Ireland's biggest export is people. I also believe Scotland would fail on its own, as would Wales and England. Strength in numbers, the future will not be easy. Why let millions of years of our ancestors growing together be ruined by a few hundred years of being shifty to each other.

Just because a country is small doesn't mean that it will fail, Ireland was run by crooks in the past and that's why we are in this state. Small countries can flourish look at Denmark, Holland, Finland, Sweden ... etc. are they all failures? ... Ireland will eventually recover, the foundations of the Irish economy are sound. An open, modern, educated country taking its place in Europe and alongside other world nations will mean this country will never fail.

gallag

Jimoslimos wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

Having a monarchy is simply a positive for the economy, the actually sacrifice a lot and work pretty hard, I would not swap lives with them, probably because they have no real life. Any way, it's not like they are first knighting our women. No real negative.

Oh right, a compromise then. I'm sure we could find some descendants of the last high King of Tara somewhere. A united Ireland with its own constitutional monarchy. How about it?

Or what you actually mean to say,

Unionism = English Monarchism

If that king will benefit the united kingdom of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales then why not?

I am also not a royalist, when the negatives out way the positives then by-by.

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

If that king will benefit the united kingdom of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales then why not?

Would an elected president not do the exact same thing?.... a man/woman elected by the people, for the people without the disgusting privilege....

gallag

p.oconnor wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

Simply because Ireland will fail, it is to small and has limited opportunity and industry, Ireland's biggest export is people. I also believe Scotland would fail on its own, as would Wales and England. Strength in numbers, the future will not be easy. Why let millions of years of our ancestors growing together be ruined by a few hundred years of being shifty to each other.

Just because a country is small doesn't mean that it will fail, Ireland was run by crooks in the past and that's why we are in this state. Small countries can flourish look at Denmark, Holland, Finland, Sweden ... etc. are they all failures? ... Ireland will eventually recover, the foundations of the Irish economy are sound. An open, modern, educated country taking its place in Europe and alongside other world nations will mean this country will never fail.

Some of them are failures, and geographically different to Ireland, others will still flourish because they have already built industrys and most of their citizens have not bailed. I am just guessing but I believe Ireland will need plenty more bail outs and the future might be rough.

Chuck Stone

gallag wrote: »

Compared to this lot, the hard working royal family are diamonds.

Hepatitus is preferable to AIDS.

belfast security

Interesting thread. Ive heard of both, and ive heard others say they feel like they do not belong to either! Stuck in Limbo maybe .........:D

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

Some of them are failures, and geographically different to Ireland, others will still flourish because they have already built industrys and most of their citizens have not bailed. I am just guessing but I believe Ireland will need plenty more bail outs and the future might be rough.

... you have to remember the Irish economy is almost completely dependent on exports (granted this is not ideal). If the world economy takes off, which it inevitably will have to in a year, two or three. You will see dramatic improvements over a short period of time when it does happen, exports of Irish goods will flourish to the UK, US, China, Russia etc...... You can believe what you want, just don't write us off yet.

p.oconnor

belfast security wrote: »

Interesting thread. Ive heard of both, and ive heard others say they feel like they do not belong to either! Stuck in Limbo maybe .........:D

I said it before and il say it again .... Them protestants don't know what they want

belfast security

I wonder how many Northern Irish protestants applied for an Irish passport recently? ;p

That would be the real answer to the question!

LordSutch

Its a shame that peoples nationality (seems to be) identified and divided by religion.

You Catholic, then you must be an Irish Nationalist.
You Protestant, then you must be a British Unionist.

p.oconnor

LordSutch wrote: »

Its a shame that peoples nationality (seems to be) identified and divided by religion.

You Catholic, then you must be an Irish Nationalist.
You Protestant, then you must be a British Unionist.

.... In general though it just happens to be the way it is but as we have seen on this thread there are many Catholic Unionists and Protestant republicans. I think most people realise its not as black an white as you set out.

gallag

You know, just sitting here thinking, what great motivation for the Irish to join up, dissolve the monarchy and become a republic, a true show that every Irish man, woman and child where truly equal, we shall call it the United republic of great Britain U.R.G.B or the United states of Great Britain U.S.G.B. you Irish would ****in love it, nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and loads of cool ****. Wee could even legalise weed, **** it who's in, sign up here.

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

You know, just sitting here thinking, what great motivation for the Irish to join up, dissolve the monarchy and become a republic, a true show that every Irish man, woman and child where truly equal, we shall call it the United republic of great Britain U.R.G.B or the United states of Great Britain U.S.G.B. you Irish would ****in love it, nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and loads of cool ****. Wee could even legalise weed, **** it who's in, sign up here.

.... take out the word Britain and we have a deal

... what about the United States of Ireland? .... we'll take the whole lot off ye.

gallag

And I know many will obviously love the idea, but just hate Britain to much to contemplate it, well sir I believe I can change your small mind. Close your eyes and imagine their was no G.B, you would just be a small island of the coast of France. A long time ago the French would have made yous their bitchs and today you would all be French. How can you hate the reason you are not smelly, work shy, surrender monkeys.

Happyman42

gallag wrote: »

You know, just sitting here thinking, what great motivation for the Irish to join up, dissolve the monarchy and become a republic, a true show that every Irish man, woman and child where truly equal, we shall call it the United republic of great Britain U.R.G.B or the United states of Great Britain U.S.G.B. you Irish would ****in love it, nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and loads of cool ****. Wee could even legalise weed, **** it who's in, sign up here.

Do we get to use guillotines when we eh.....dissolve...the monarchy?

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

And I know many will obviously love the idea, but just hate Britain to much to contemplate it, well sir I believe I can change your small mind. Close your eyes and imagine their was no G.B, you would just be a small island of the coast of France. A long time ago the French would have made yous their bitchs and today you would all be French. How can you hate the reason you are not smelly, work shy, surrender monkeys.

... I do believe if GB didn't exist Ireland would not have been occupied for 700 years, how many past and recent problems would that have prevented then?

Chuck Stone

gallag wrote: »

And I know many will obviously love the idea, but just hate Britain to much to contemplate it, well sir I believe I can change your small mind. Close your eyes and imagine their was no G.B, you would just be a small island of the coast of France. A long time ago the French would have made yous their bitchs and today you would all be French. How can you hate the reason you are not smelly, work shy, surrender monkeys.

I see.

Tis a bigot you are.

gallag

Happyman42 wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

You know, just sitting here thinking, what great motivation for the Irish to join up, dissolve the monarchy and become a republic, a true show that every Irish man, woman and child where truly equal, we shall call it the United republic of great Britain U.R.G.B or the United states of Great Britain U.S.G.B. you Irish would ****in love it, nuclear subs and aircraft carriers and loads of cool ****. Wee could even legalise weed, **** it who's in, sign up here.

Do we get to use guillotines when we eh.....dissolve...the monarchy?

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

Happyman42

gallag wrote: »

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

getting your trolling in before you're banned again Keith?:rolleyes:

p.oconnor

gallag wrote: »

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

.... Or maybe we will leave the country the way it is. You can rightly fcuk off i'd prefer to keep it the way it is then let the likes of you call yourself Irish.

gallag

p.oconnor wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

And I know many will obviously love the idea, but just hate Britain to much to contemplate it, well sir I believe I can change your small mind. Close your eyes and imagine their was no G.B, you would just be a small island of the coast of France. A long time ago the French would have made yous their bitchs and today you would all be French. How can you hate the reason you are not smelly, work shy, surrender monkeys.

... I do believe if GB didn't exist Ireland would not have been occupied for 700 years, how many past and recent problems would that have prevented then?

There would be no Ireland without G.B, imagine being French man, this is serious ffs.

gallag

Happyman42 wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

getting your trolling in before you're banned again Keith?:rolleyes:

Keith? Just having a laugh bud.

Micky Dolenz

gallag wrote: »

Keith? Just having a laugh bud.

Mod

Don't post on this thread again.

gallag

p.oconnor wrote: »

gallag wrote: »

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

.... Or maybe we will leave the country the way it is. You can rightly fcuk off i'd prefer to keep it the way it is then let the likes of you call yourself Irish.

Right **** it, you can keep the pope but you have to kill jedward.

Micky Dolenz

gallag wrote: »

Right **** it, you can keep the pope but you have to kill jedward.

Banned

getzls

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Banned

He did talk ****e, but one bit was right.

The French would have invaded Ireland, and probably the Spanish to get at England.

dttq

gallag wrote: »

A long time ago the French would have made yous their bitchs and today you would all be French. How can you hate the reason you are not smelly, work shy, surrender monkeys.

You were never a good journalist in the first place Mr. Myers, but at least you used to at least try your best not to reveal to the world the true spanner that you truly are.

dttq

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Banned

Hang on, he at least has a point there in fairness, and I wasn't referring to the pope bit.

Jelly 292

gallag wrote: »

Only if you guys realize that every sperm is indeed not sacred, stop molesting children and kick the pope up the arse.

That was quite funny tbh...

I love my Nordie bro's and sisters, prod/taig, wtf , labels and names get us no where.
Its all a load of bollox and we all need to grow up and explore deep space TOGETHER etc...

I wonder how many contributes on this thread have actually met/integrated/ worked with folks of the other hue.

spoken as an Agnostic southern lapsed Catholic who works a lot with northern protestants all the time.

People are people, asshats are always asshats. north and south.

old hippy

dara.obriain wrote: »

i know a whole city full of irish catholics who do anything they can to avoid being irish and everything they can to be british- call their kids english names, wear english soccer jersys, ridicule anything irish like the games, language, music, etc. i live there and its called dublin!

Yeah, we should really be bursting forth from stony grey soil, clutching a hurley stick and rosary beads and spouting Peig from dawn til dusk to prove our credentials