Kimmage seeks criminal investigation into Vebruggen/McQuaid - Mod Warning Post #1

kincsem

I would like to see thousands of cyclists with their bikes cheer Paul Kimmage into the court.

Funkyzeit

This is nothing if not entertaining:
Check out Kimmage's latest tweets:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
David, good news, found a real pitbull of a lawyer to go after those two ****ers.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Ooops, sorry that was supposed to be a private message to @DavidWalshST

Malari

Then Toby Moody:

@PaulKimmage: Never in writing. Phone.

:pac:

Undercover Elephant

Funkyzeit wrote: »

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Ooops, sorry that was supposed to be a private message to @DavidWalshST

Ooops, I accidentally on purpose told the world and his wife that I'm spoiling for a fight. Silly, silly me.

(If he has found a pitbull, he might want a rethink for a case like this. OTOH, if he's found a Swiss media lawyer well practised in the subtle arts, then this is fiendishly clever.)

TheBlaaMan

His tweets this afternoon have been a bit strange, TBH. It comes across a bit childish to be slagging off his adversaries on social media, esp as they are unlikely to bother reading it, so its for our attention, really.He might be better advised to rise above it, tempting (and entertaining) as it is.

Maybe he is just having a bit of fun getting this off his chest in public?

buffalo

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

His tweets this afternoon have been a bit strange, TBH. It comes across a bit childish to be slagging off his adversaries on social media, esp as they are unlikely to bother reading it, so its for our attention, really.He might be better advised to rise above it, tempting (and entertaining) as it is.

Maybe he is just having a bit of fun getting this off his chest in public?

Perhaps his ego has been boosted a step too far by the defence fund? Or is this publicity to draw more attention to his cause?

ThisRegard

In all of this ridiculous episode, Paul Kimmage is the last person I'd be calling childish. He has no problem saying these things on radio etc so I don't think he'd be too worried if his tweet really was accidental.

Beasty

kincsem wrote: »

I would like to see thousands of cyclists with their bikes cheer Paul Kimmage into the court.

So are you going to start an appeal for funds to send a Boards.ie Cycling Forum delegation over (obviously only Sports Cyclists, and not Commuters invited)?

Maybe we can get Kimmage to chip-in...:D

honkjelly

Hope he gets enough to hire Johnnie Cochran

Slo_Rida

Hopefully this case goes ahead...the more publicity for PK the better. He's one of our own.
Can we put forward a motion to make Paul Kimmage UCI president? Seems like the ultimate (and obvious) solution to all these issues.

12 sprocket

slo rida, you might have missed it but Mc Quaid is one of our own too represented ireland at the very top level, good professional rider and brought the best cyclists in the world to Ireland to be viewed by the Irish public and promote cycling... I presume you are talking about Paul being Irish?
Sad to see them at odds.

witty username

12 sprocket wrote: »

... but Mc Quaid is one of our own too...

Maybe he means PK is one of our own in the sense that he's not a shytebag, unlike Paddy mack (for reasons why, please see posts above by others).

Plus, since McQuaid is sueing PK under Swiss law I now view him as one of those cuckoo clock wielding, toblerone-eating clowns.

And yes, I've chipped in and hope dearly that PK will tear Pinky and the Brain a new one each.

fishfoodie

honkjelly wrote: »

Hope he gets enough to hire Johnnie Cochran

I'm not sure if the fund will get big enough to hire both a lawyer & a necromancer

happytramp

fishfoodie wrote: »

I'm not sure if the fund will get big enough to hire both a lawyer & a necromancer

I may be able to help. I used to be a level 17 Necromancer in advanced D+D.

RobFowl

happytramp wrote: »

I used to be a level 17 Necromancer in advanced D+D.

I'm sure the women were fallling over themselves

buffalo

http://www.atwistedspoke.com/raleigh-to-introduce-kimmage-road-bike/

Irish bicycle company Raleigh plans to launch a Kimmage road bike for the Spring of 2013.

...Raleigh has rushed development so production model Rough Riders are available for Kimmage and his legal team to ride to his trial.

“Paul wants to do it, I mean how cool would that be, showing up with $50,000 grand in your pocket and your legal team on Kimmage bikes?” said Fakely. “McQuaid would **** his pants.”

Fantastic!

RobFowl

The result of the action taken against Landis (almost identical to the one against PK) was released. They found in favour of McQuaid/Verbruggen by default...

Quoted verbattim ....

forbids Floyd Landis to state that the Union Cycliste Internationale, Patrick (Pat)
McQuaid and/or Henricus (Hein) Verbruggen have concealed cases of doping, received
money for doing so, have accepted money from Lance Armstrong to conceal a doping
case, have protected certain racing cyclists, concealed cases of doping, have engaged in
manipulation, particularly of tests and races, have hesitated and delayed publishing the
results of a positive test on Alberto Contador, have accepted bribes, are corrupt, are
terrorists, have no regard for the rules, load the dice, are fools, do not have a genuine
desire to restore discipline to cycling, are full of sh*t, are clowns, their words are
worthless, are liars, are no different to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, or to make any
similar other allegations of that kind;


So there you go....

Lumen

RobFowl wrote: »

The result of the action taken against Landis (almost identical to the one against PK) was released. They found in favour of McQuaid/Verbruggen by default

...because Landis didn't appear to contest it, presumably?

Undercover Elephant

Lumen wrote: »

...because Landis didn't appear to contest it, presumably?

Must be guilty, then.

RobFowl

Lumen wrote: »

...because Landis didn't appear to contest it, presumably?

Hence the "by default" bit :rolleyes:

Fr D Maugire

The UCI have been unable to even track down Landis so were unable to even send him a summons to court.

Lumen

RobFowl wrote: »

Hence the "by default" bit :rolleyes:

I was fishing for more details, like this....

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

The UCI have been unable to even track down Landis so were unable to even send him a summons to court.

Funkyzeit

Gotta smile at the
"forbids Floyd Landis to state that the Union Cycliste Internationale, Patrick (Pat) McQuaid and/or Henricus (Hein) Verbruggen .. are terrorists"

corny

"are clowns":D

Beasty

corny wrote: »

"are clowns":D

I would steer clear of Switzerland if I were you;)

RobFowl

Beasty wrote: »

I would steer clear of Switzerland if I were you;)

Stop acting like Colonel Muamar Ghadafi

Beasty

RobFowl wrote: »

Stop acting like Colonel Muamar Ghadafi

On a completely unrelated note, I shall be speaking to my lawyers in the morning.

Actually, I just remembered, you cannot be prosecuted for defaming the dead...

thebouldwhacker

Didn't mention anything about being elitist...... Dang.

therewillbe

Anyone know how to make a donation to Paul`s defense fund?

Cienciano

therewillbe wrote: »

Anyone know how to make a donation to Paul`s defense fund?

Yeah, the "chip in" thingie on this page:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/paul-kimmage-defense-fund

Lusk Doyle

Someone should make a documentary of this epic saga when it's done. It'd be a great piece of television if done in the right light/angle.

Lazairus

in the interests of fairness


is there a pad mc quaid defence fund

lol

CH

RobFowl

Lazairus wrote: »

in the interests of fairness


is there a pad mc quaid defence fund

lol

CH

There is




It's your CI licence :eek:

Undercover Elephant

Lazairus wrote: »

is there a pad mc quaid defence fund

Yes, it's called the UCI treasury, and it's part-funded by the members of Cycling Ireland.

seve65

There is a serious point here though, if there are majority of members of Cycling Ireland not happy with McQuaids performace, can CI not register an official complaint ? Up the members !

Of course the complaint would need to be very specific, which is perhaps where problems might arise formulating or getting majority backing.

Hermy

Lazairus wrote: »

...pad...

As in footpad?:D

Beasty

seve65 wrote: »

There is a serious point here though, if there are majority of members of Cycling Ireland not happy with McQuaids performace, can CI not register an official complaint ? Up the members !

Of course the complaint would need to be very specific, which is perhaps where problems might arise formulating or getting majority backing.

Clubs have until 5pm tomorrow to get resolutions to CI in time for this year's AGM.

Of course, it's possible that a club has already submitted one (or has one lined up to go in)

el tel

Beasty wrote: »

Clubs have until 5pm tomorrow to get resolutions to CI in time for this year's AGM.

Of course, it's possible that a club has already submitted one (or has one lined up to go in)

Do you know if it possible to submit one as an individual or must it be via an affiliated club?

jimm

Pat Kenny discussed it with Shane Stokes on his radio show this morning. Interesting piece. I'm sure you can find it on the RTE player.

Bizarre wording in that court ruling alright!!

Beasty

el tel wrote: »

Do you know if it possible to submit one as an individual or must it be via an affiliated club?

As I understand it only affiliated clubs can pre-submit resolutions. That in itself creates a logistical issue, as it would presumably need the support of the Club's committee, and the committee may also wish to canvas the opinion of it's own members before submitting a resolution like this (I guess that depends on the club's own constitution). I think, realistically, unless a club has already formulated a resolution to be submitted, there's little chance of getting something in before tromorrow's deadline

2 Wheels Good

Courtesy of bikeradar
In the wake of the Swiss court ruling yesterday we thought this message should be shared #UCIvsFloyd pic.twitter.com/4sSp1wPG

ThisRegard

Pat Kenny discussed, his words, "the most bizare court declaration from a court of law I've ever seen" with Shane Stokes this morning. It doesn't seem to be available as a stand alone podcast but starts just after 49 minutes on todays playback here.

I had to laugh when Pat read through the declaration, the declaration reads like something from Monty Python.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#rii=9%3A10058523%3A133%3A04%2D10%2D2012%3A&type=radio

And an alternative take on phrases rejected by the judge in his decision
http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/10/uci-reveals-words-rejected-in-judgement-against-landis/

Undercover Elephant

Presumably the Swiss courts only have jurisdiction in Switzerland. If Landis wants to stand in the French zone of Geneva Airport and shout "McQuaid is a corrupt terrorist" across the concourse, is there anything actually stopping him?

And if not, how can they stop him from posting this on a website?

And if they can't, what the blue fcuk is the point of this lawsuit?

ThisRegard

I was thinking that myself, there's not a lot they can do outside Switzerland, surely he can continue to call them anything he wants.

niceonetom

leftism

Does anyone know when the start date for Kimmage vs. McBruggen is?

I'm seriously thinking about setting up a facebook event page and see if we can rustle up some support for Kimmage outside the courthouse. Maybe do a critical mass cycle around the streets and stuff! This could realistically become the final epic battle in the war that anti-doping advocates have waged on the UCI. For sure, reading Rough Ride as a teenager was a major turning point for me, and i'd love to be there to shout support at Kimmage as he takes on these muppets!

If nothing else, its a chance to go to Switzerland for a couple days and do some cycling...

corny

leftism wrote: »

Does anyone know when the start date for Kimmage vs. McBruggen is?

No its McBruggen-UCI. Sounds like a cycling team that way!

Think its set for December 12th if memory serves.

petethedrummer

Boom, my suggestion made the pelotoon!!!

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1040412&postcount=153

kincsem

petethedrummer wrote: »

Boom, my suggestion made the pelotoon!!!
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1040412&postcount=153

Paper can't wrap fire.

iregk

This is the line at the bottom of the court statement that really caught my eye:

IX. rejects any and all further findings.

Interesting how that was buried in amongst all the other noise isn't it?