Kimmage seeks criminal investigation into Vebruggen/McQuaid - Mod Warning Post #1

Funkyzeit

The entertainment continues:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Dear Pat McQuaid, I hope you have a better grasp of the facts than that mutt on boards.ie purporting to be your sister.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
...because believe me, you'll be in trouble if you don't.

Green Diesel

2m Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Dear Pat McQuaid, I hope you have a better grasp of the facts than that mutt on boards.ie purporting to be your sister.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
...because believe me, you'll be in trouble if you don't.


Twitter just now https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage

tunney

Who is the mutt????????

Lumen

SWL wrote: »

Yes you missed a more than a few

Quote them then.

SWL wrote: »

There was a time in Ireland when family members were “off limits” especially when they have no act in any public proceedings, like many things in Ireland that appears to have changed and not for the better.

The family wasn't mentioned until Ms McQuaid posted. Are you suggesting that we're not allowed to challenge the publicly-aired opinions of people who are related? If so, that's absurd.

torturedsoul

I think Paul should be very careful with his bullish tweets. I would hate for anything he says on there coming against him

Undercover Elephant

torturedsoul wrote: »

paul is active enough on Twitter today. Lots of quotes from the Dave Brailsford article in the Scotsman. Me thinks Paul ain't too enamored by him either

Does he like anybody?

SWL

Lumen wrote: »

Quote them then.



The family wasn't mentioned until Ms McQuaid posted. Are you suggesting that we're not allowed to challenge the publicly-aired opinions of people who are related? If so, that's absurd.

I can't quote them because a Mod has deleted them. If you wish you may highlight the sentence where I suggested that individuals cannot be challenged, however the subsequent remarks are my issue.

I don't support Pat or the UCI especially in this case, however it appears some posters have a lower social etiquette than others, I simply highlighted my disappointed that remarks were made against family members who are not responsible for the court case, you are free to continue to disagree with this view but it is view I will continue to hold. But if we are to follow that view point Lance Armstrong’s mother better go into hiding.

el tel

torturedsoul wrote: »

I think Paul should be very careful with his bullish tweets. I would hate for anything he says on there coming against him

I agree. I mean, it is possible that the poster in question is not a sister of the UCI president. Anyone can easily claim to be anyone else.

Yours,
Spartacus.

Lumen

SWL wrote: »

I can't quote them because a Mod has deleted them.

Ah right. It's a bit of a non-discussion then.

SWL wrote: »

If you wish you may highlight the sentence where I suggested that individuals cannot be challenged

I assumed that's what you meant by...

SWL wrote: »

There was a time in Ireland when family members were “off limits”

RobFowl

el tel wrote: »

I agree. I mean, it is possible that the poster in question is not a sister of the UCI president. Anyone can easily claim to be anyone else.

Yours,
Spartacus.

TBF he did say the "mutt purporting to be" Pat Mcquaids sister...


(Have already posted saying the personal comments and insults were not on)

SWL

Lumen wrote: »

Ah right. It's a bit of a non-discussion then.



I assumed that's what you meant by...

The posts were edited after my posts.

You assumption is incorrect, family members of a person holding any office especially when the topic relates to their professional work, were not discussed in the manner some of the McQuaids were, that’s a whole world away from challenging someone on their views.

Plenty of posters challenged in a translucent manner the supporter(s) of Pat McQuaid without resorting to family bashing.

12 sprocket

Pat Mc Quaid has been very succesful in combating doping over the last number of years, stuck out his neck by chasing the dopers and seeing that they recieved heavy sentences where possible..

Its not so long ago that some people in cycling was saying that his zeal in accepting that there was a doping culture in cycling, and taking it on head on was creating bad publicity for cycling and were calling for his head.

We seen the results of his breaking the doping culture in the tours this year with slower times and very exhausted riders having to do the old piano trick on some stages. Also the exhausted riders at the end of the hard stages were clear to see.

He has also brought cycling to a wider audience worldwide. now if some of the posters are begrudgers who are too smallminded to acknowledge that, I would think that's their problem. But its hardly fair!

Cienciano

Funkyzeit wrote: »

The entertainment continues:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Dear Pat McQuaid, I hope you have a better grasp of the facts than that mutt on boards.ie purporting to be your sister.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
...because believe me, you'll be in trouble if you don't.

LOL! He must have read this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81133289&postcount=156

Don't blame him, UCI would take you to court over far less accusations.

Lumen

12 sprocket wrote: »

Pat McQuaid...stuck out his neck by chasing the dopers and seeing that they recieved heavy sentences where possible...He has also brought cycling to a wider audience worldwide

Part of the problem is the massive conflict of interest that those two roles bring.

For instance, back in 2007 after two doping test no-shows from Rasmussen, PMQ was reported to have said:

Pat McQuaid wrote:

From an image point of view, it would be better if it was not Rasmussen but one of the youngest riders winning the Tour

From an image point of view. That's the problem, he has given the impression of being more bothered by bad publicity than by the doping itself. This is completely unacceptable in my view.

Junior

Funkyzeit wrote: »

The entertainment continues:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
Dear Pat McQuaid, I hope you have a better grasp of the facts than that mutt on boards.ie purporting to be your sister.

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
...because believe me, you'll be in trouble if you don't.

Yeah I linked him up with the thread, it seems as if a few journo's were reading this thread before that as well.

Cienciano

Paul Kimmage is definitely one of the best people to follow on twitter! Comes out with some great stuff

morana

fran oconnor wrote: »

And he should when cheating is the topic.

i would be delighted to discuss this with you over on the football forum were we can discuss a bit of gbh etc. but i dont think this is the place to discuss it.

Mods sorry for the ot stuff delete all the football stuff if you think inappropriate.

Beasty

morana wrote: »

Mods sorry for the ot stuff delete all the football stuff if you think inappropriate.

This is a discussion about cycling and the legal action being taken against Paul Kimmage. "Alleged" examples of footballers diving are absolutely nothing to do with this topic, so let's leave the activities of Suarez (and indeed Ashley Young, allegedly;)) in the Soccer Forum

Thanks

Cycling Fanatic

Just catching up on all the recent posts. I'd just like to clear something up. The so called " younger sister " of Pat McQuaid recently wrote PK was unemployed and a poor writer. This in fact not true. He is currently finishing off Brian o Driscoll's Autobiography and has been named sports writer of the year on a number of occasions over the past number of years.

I know this might seem irrelevant, but it was been made out that he was a washed aul writer with no work.

#kimmageforucipresident

petethedrummer

I'd really like to see Kimmage do the Floyd Landis Autobiography.

RobFowl

petethedrummer wrote: »

I'd really like to see Kimmage do the Floyd Landis Autobiography.

You're missing the obvious!

Leadership in a time of crisis (or how I learned to stop worrying and learned how to love the bomb)

A biography of a man, rider, manager, leader, legend

the true story of Patrick McQuaid

By Paul Kimmage

Forward by Lance Armstong

el tel

Has the definition of 'autobiography' changed recently?

petethedrummer

el tel wrote: »

Has the definition of 'autobiography' changed recently?

I think autobiographies are generally ghost written or a collaborative effort.

manwithaplan

el tel wrote: »

Has the definition of 'autobiography' changed recently?

Yes. The 'auto' used refer to the self. Like autologous blood doping to take a convenient example. Now the 'auto' comes from 'automatic', in that you push a button and a 300 page masterpiece emerges. See Justin Bieber, Katie Price and Jedward for details.

Lusk Doyle

RobFowl wrote: »

You're missing the obvious!

Leadership in a time of crisis (or how I learned to stop worrying and learned how to love the bomb)

A biography of a man, rider, manager, leader, legend

the true story of Patrick McQuaid

By Paul Kimmage

Forward Forword by Lance Armstong

Better not get you to spell check it

Lumen

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Better not get you to spell check it

Or you. It's spelled "foreword".

Lusk Doyle

Lumen wrote: »

Or you. It's spelled "foreword".

Major face-palm me

Undercover Elephant

petethedrummer wrote: »

I'd really like to see Kimmage do the Floyd Landis Autobiography.

He'll have to find him first.

Actually I'd like to see an unghosted autobiog from Landis. It will be slightly more coherent than Ulysses, but vastly more entertaining.

12 sprocket

THeres a video of Pat Mc Quaid out working for the sport.
http://nos.nl/video/421452-smeets-in-gesprek-met-mcquaid.html

Lumen

12 sprocket wrote: »

THeres a video of Pat Mc Quaid out working for the sport.
http://nos.nl/video/421452-smeets-in-gesprek-met-mcquaid.html

Transcript wrote:

Interviewer: Do I understand you well? You did not receive one word from them, till now?
PMQ: No, no. Anything we received from them, correspondence, has also been put in the public domain by them as well, so we haven't received anything.
Interview: So you're waiting for the report?
PMQ We're waiting for the report. Then what you gonna do?
Interviewer: Then our legal department, legal people, experts will study the report, read it, and they will report what they feel should be done with it.
Interviewer: What could be done?
PMQ: There is a variety of things could be done. It could be appealed to CAS. There's elements in there that we have to study about jurisdictions, there's elements in there that we have to study about statutes of limitations, we could as I say go to CAS, we could sanction give the, er, we could, erm, endorse the sanctions that USADA have handed down, I don't, you know its any numbers of options, and we will take whatever option is justified.
Interviewer: Have you got any idea what people in the street have their opinion about what's going on about Mr Armstrong.
PMQ: We would love to know too. But we don't know, we absolutely don't know. All we know is what we read in the papers.

So despite absolutely not knowing what the facts are the following were the first things that came into Pat's mind as a response to the report he hasn't received yet:

- Appeal to CAS
- Challenge USADA on jurisdiction
- Challenge USADA on statutes of limitation
- Sanction give the, er, we could, erm, endorse the sanctions that USADA have handed down.

In that order.

As far as I'm concerned that says a great deal about the relationship between Pat and Lance, and I don't like it.

12 sprocket

Lumen Theres more to the interview and the sport in general than doping and anti doping, funny how you just see those few lines that you have written..

Did you not see the bit about how the doping culture has been tackled and broken to a large extent since Mc Quaid became president?

Lumen

12 sprocket wrote: »

Lumen Theres more to the interview and the sport in general than doping and anti doping, funny how you just see those few lines that you have written..

This is a thread about the UCI and doping, so I focused on that bit. I haven't had time to watch the whole thing, and it takes ages to transcribe.

I also noted that he goes to a lot of meetings. Well done for that Pat, we all know meeting attendance is the hallmark of a great leader.

12 sprocket wrote: »

Did you not see the bit about how the doping culture has been tackled and broken to a large extent since McQuaid became president?

I did see Pat take credit for that, yes.

witty username

Anything said by PK since the cycling internet exploded? Nothing from him on twitter since this on 8th Oct:

This conflict with the UCI may seem like a game, and a game I'm enjoying, but the truth is that it's destroying my life. And the person I care most about. So I'm going to check out now. A sincere thanks again for the support.

ThisRegard

I read that when he said he was going to check out now that that's him finished with twitter.

witty username

Latest from Kimmage:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-truth-comes-dropping-slow-3258595.html

TheBlaaMan

I got my contribution to the Kimmage defence fund refunded to my PayPal account this morning??? Anyone else have the same thing?

Here's the msg that came with it:

The funds have been returned to your account.

This payment was returned for the following reason(s):

diggerforum10@gmail.com did not sign up for a PayPal account or did not complete the registration process.

Please contact diggerforum10@gmail.com to arrange an alternate payment method.
If you have any further questions, please log in to your PayPal account and go to the History subtab. Locate this transaction and click the word "Cancelled" in the Details column.Yours sincerely,
PayPal

I hope this does not mean that the €65k is NOT actually available to him.

I'll try to send it again, but would welcome any suggestions......

Rovi

PK going to be on the Marian Finucane show on RTE Radio 1 in a minute or two!
http://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#

witty username

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I got my contribution to the Kimmage defence fund refunded to my PayPal account this morning??? Anyone else have the same thing?

When did you contribute? I chipped in a couple of times over the last few weeks and no sign of refund etc so far. I remember the first attempt at setting up the fund had to be scrapped because digger made a small slip-up somewhere and people who had chipped in on that version were refunded, but since it was corrected it seems to be running ok.

TheBlaaMan

witty username wrote: »

When did you contribute? I chipped in a couple of times over the last few weeks and no sign of refund etc so far. I remember the first attempt at setting up the fund had to be scrapped because digger made a small slip-up somewhere and people who had chipped in on that version were refunded, but since it was corrected it seems to be running ok.

Thanks,
Maybe this is the problem - I contributed on the first or second day of the appeal, but surprising that it has taken so long to notify me.....

buffalo

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

I got my contribution to the Kimmage defence fund refunded to my PayPal account this morning??? Anyone else have the same thing?

Me too. Took me a little while to connect the email with Kimmage.

Junior

Seemingly @diggerforum got the first fund going but couldn't get paypal working and Cyclismas took over from there. Hence the refund.

witty username

Fund is coming along nicely, plenty of exposure lately...

Flandria

This meme just keeps on running...

Raam

Is this true?
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/261844853955121152

UCI also decides to suspend the legal action against Paul Kimmage. Will await findings from the investigation.

ROK ON

Raam wrote: »

Is this true?
https://twitter.com/inrng/status/261844853955121152

Seeing it in several sources.

Lumen

ROK ON wrote: »

Seeing it in several sources.

Groupthink and herding, probably.

ThisRegard

Mixed feelings if it's true, as I'm sure Paul has too. He admitted having it hanging over him has been very stressful, but I'm sure he would have liked the opportunity to fight it.

Diarmuid

ThisRegard wrote: »

Mixed feelings if it's true, as I'm sure Paul has too. He admitted having it hanging over him has been very stressful, but I'm sure he would have liked the opportunity to fight it.

What would be nice now would be for cyclismas to use the fund to bring a court case against McQuaid/Verbruggen personally for being a bunch of assholes or something

CheGuedara

Diarmuid wrote: »

What would be nice now would be for cyclismas to use the fund to bring a court case against McQuaid/Verbruggen personally for being a bunch of assholes or something

If the proceedings against Kimmage do evaporate then you'd imagine Paul could make a case against McBruggen that they brought a vexatious case resulting in emotional stress and trauma (or whatever) to him. That would be an interesting one to see happen.

retalivity

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2012/1026/1224325777481.html

Confirmed