Queen of Hip Hop is back - Missy

jonneymendoza

epic. She's back!

Da Shins Kelly

I'd prefer if it was just Missy, and not Timbaland rapping too.

Bobby Baccala

Queen of hip hop is Lauryn Hill, not missy.

weemcd

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Queen of hip hop is Lauryn Hill, not missy.

in before me on that one

Da Shins Kelly

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Queen of hip hop is Lauryn Hill, not missy.

Lauryn Hill could do with making some new music though, rather than resting on her laurels.

Rjd2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Queen of hip hop is Lauryn Hill, not missy.

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEvWPsxO8Po

mufcboy1999

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Queen of hip hop is Lauryn Hill, not missy.

Lauryn Hill could do with making some new music though, rather than resting on her laurels.

+1 , This is true in fairness. As far as the queen of hip hop I'd go with Mary j even though she's really technically more r'n'b inclined.

On missy big fan, always said she was under rated as far as female Mc's go. Her and timbo were a great act, il give this a listen tomorrow on the laptop.

conor.hogan.2

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

+1 , This is true in fairness. As far as the queen of hip hop I'd go with Mary j even though she's really technically more r'n'b inclined.

On missy big fan, always said she was under rated as far as female Mc's go. Her and timbo were a great act, il give this a listen tomorrow on the laptop.

Mary J is more R&B, LH deserves the title and isn't she supposed to be releasing an album this year?

floggg

Ain't no queens in this rap thing.

No female emcee has put out enough work to deserve it.

Lauren Hill only released one real solo album, which was only half rap, half singing. You can't be the GOAT off half an album.

Jean Grae had/has lots of potential to claim the title but hasn't put out a real album in years.

Otherwise it's just the pop acts or tramps like Trina.

Good to see Missy back though. She never had the greatest bars but always came through with some great music.

Da Shins Kelly

floggg wrote: »

Ain't no queens in this rap thing.

No female emcee has put out enough work to deserve it.

Lauren Hill only released one real solo album, which was only half rap, half singing. You can't be the GOAT off half an album.

Jean Grae had/has lots of potential to claim the title but hasn't put out a real album in years.

Otherwise it's just the pop acts or tramps like Trina.

Good to see Missy back though. She never had the greatest bars but always came through with some great music.

Rah Digga is pretty good.

Seaneh

floggg wrote: »

Jean Grae had/has lots of potential to claim the title but hasn't put out a real album in years.

The Evil Jeanius is only 4 years old and she released an Album this year called Cake or Death.

Bobby Baccala

floggg wrote: »

Ain't no queens in this rap thing.

No female emcee has put out enough work to deserve it.

Lauren Hill only released one real solo album, which was only half rap, half singing. You can't be the GOAT off half an album.

I give it to Lauryn over quality, not quantity. Her 2 albums with the fugees and her solo are all excellent, the misseducation outshines any other album i've heard by a female rapper. I have a missy album here, never got fully through it, could never enjoy it. and btw not only is Lauryn the greatest female rapper there is, she's better than the majority of male rappers too. Amazingly talented woman.


This thread has given me and idea for another thread, but i'm too lazy to create it

floggg

L Boogie is great. I just don't think that there have been any females with a consistent body if high class work to own a title like that.

It's a shame, as there are plenty of female emcees who could go toe to toe with their best male counterparts.

I guess though there's too much bull**** they have to go through to get the respect and props they deserve without having to go pop or slutty.

From what I can see Eve and Missy are the only recent female emcees (and they go back) to get mainstream success and respect without having to strip their way to the top.

Not to drag this off topic but Rapsody's new album is pretty good.

conor.hogan.2

Considering how feature heavy Biggie was I would guess LH has released roughly the same amount of work as Biggie, and that is apparently enough to be called greatest.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Considering how feature heavy Biggie was I would guess LH has released roughly the same amount of work as Biggie, and that is apparently enough to be called greatest.

1 feature on his first album 1, 11 on his second which is a double disc, when we compare that to game who has 28 features on his last mixtape it's nothing big at all.

Be realistic now conor, biggie has 4 albums, 2 posthumous and 2 while alive (kinda). Lauryn has 1 solo and 2 with the fugees and she wasnt featured on every fugees song., big has clearly released more material, feature heavy or not.
Either way Lauryn is the greatest, regardless of how little work she's brought out even though i think we can judge how good she is on what she did bring out.


Anywho, im gonna start a greatest female mc thread in a while, feel free to vote or whatever.

conor.hogan.2

The posthumous one has a lot of features as does the duets. (quick count up on wiki, biggie had 7 more including the duets and ft for ft they are pretty much even)

The point is LH has released enough and enough of great quality to be considered the greatest female MC.

Da Shins Kelly

floggg wrote: »

L Boogie is great. I just don't think that there have been any females with a consistent body if high class work to own a title like that.

It's a shame, as there are plenty of female emcees who could go toe to toe with their best male counterparts.

I guess though there's too much bull**** they have to go through to get the respect and props they deserve without having to go pop or slutty.

From what I can see Eve and Missy are the only recent female emcees (and they go back) to get mainstream success and respect without having to strip their way to the top.

Not to drag this off topic but Rapsody's new album is pretty good.

Well, I still think Lauryn is the best, but she does need to release more material. It would be great to hear something new.That said, saying that none of them have released enough material to get the title is kinda irrelevant. Like, you have to judge them on what they have released and based on that, Lauryn is the best.

floggg

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

That said, saying that none of them have released enough material to get the title is kinda irrelevant. Like, you have to judge them on what they have released and based on that, Lauryn is the best.

To an extent. Though I just think you can't really make an accurate comparisons when comparing one or two albums each.

For me, Jean Grae is a better lyricist/emcee, but as a whole Miseducation was ahead of anything Jean Grae has released (though you wonder what she might have done if Jean had Lauren's budget and song writers - apparently Jean's first album was done for free, no budget for beats, features etc, all done off favours).

I guess I'm just a little pissed that there is no female emcees that have had the careers they deserved. For whatever reason, bar Lauren, no female emcees with integrity have really made it or had any sort of sustained career. It's a shame, because I love the different perspective they bring sometimes, and the emotion/vulnerability they seem to be able to show that many male emcees can't.

Like Phonte with (bigger) tits!

Da Shins Kelly

floggg wrote: »

To an extent. Though I just think you can't really make an accurate comparisons when comparing one or two albums each.

For me, Jean Grae is a better lyricist/emcee, but as a whole Miseducation was ahead of anything Jean Grae has released (though you wonder what she might have done if Jean had Lauren's budget and song writers - apparently Jean's first album was done for free, no budget for beats, features etc, all done off favours).

I guess I'm just a little pissed that there is no female emcees that have had the careers they deserved. For whatever reason, bar Lauren, no female emcees with integrity have really made it or had any sort of sustained career. It's a shame, because I love the different perspective they bring sometimes, and the emotion/vulnerability they seem to be able to show that many male emcees can't.

Like Phonte with (bigger) tits!

Hip hop is so incredibly dominated by men. It can be horribly misogynisitc and as such, it seems that women aren't really taken seriously for the most part unless they go the whole 'chick with a dick' route that the likes of Lil Kim go for. It's surprising Lauryn had the success she had at all, to be honest, and I'd say it was in part to do with her singing voice and the fact that she has a pretty face.

mufcboy1999

As far emceeing Ye LH gets the nod over Mary j but in terms of hip hop as a culture and based on what Mary has given to the cause she deserves the crown hands down IMO. Yes like I said more r'n'b inclined but in fairness r'n'b and hip hop go hand in hand, well at least they use too.

In all LH better rapper obviously but many a time has Mjb been on the end of a hip hop classic. Overall her catalogue of music smashes any female who ever touched a mic in both hip hop and r'n'b.

Da Shins Kelly

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

As far emceeing Ye LH gets the nod over Mary j but in terms of hip hop as a culture and based on what Mary has given to the cause she deserves the crown hands down IMO. Yes like I said more r'n'b inclined but in fairness r'n'b and hip hop go hand in hand, well at least they use too.

In all LH better rapper obviously but many a time has Mjb been on the end of a hip hop classic. Overall her catalogue of music smashes any female who ever touched a mic in both hip hop and r'n'b.

Her voice is fcuking incredible too.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

As far emceeing Ye LH gets the nod over Mary j but in terms of hip hop as a culture and based on what Mary has given to the cause she deserves the crown hands down IMO. Yes like I said more r'n'b inclined but in fairness r'n'b and hip hop go hand in hand, well at least they use too.

In all LH better rapper obviously but many a time has Mjb been on the end of a hip hop classic. Overall her catalogue of music smashes any female who ever touched a mic in both hip hop and r'n'b.

So by that logic Nate Dogg is the king?

He's been on more classic records than damn near anybody in hip-hop.

Still ain't no rapper so ain't getting on the list.

Same goes for T-Pain!

And to be honest I'm struggling to think of one Mary J feature that I actually like.

It does go to show the dearth of credible female rappers out there though when somebody can even suggest a singer as the queen!

Da Shins Kelly

floggg wrote: »

So by that logic Nate Dogg is the king?

He's been on more classic records than damn near anybody in hip-hop.

Still ain't no rapper so ain't getting on the list.

Same goes for T-Pain!

And to be honest I'm struggling to think of one Mary J feature that I actually like.

It does go to show the dearth of credible female rappers out there though when somebody can even suggest a singer as the queen!

These are pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORQOYpLaA9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8P8f4JArmo

Bobby Baccala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEfkdnx1zUs

There you go Floggg, if you dont like that you're either deaf or very strange.

mufcboy1999

floggg wrote: »

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

As far emceeing Ye LH gets the nod over Mary j but in terms of hip hop as a culture and based on what Mary has given to the cause she deserves the crown hands down IMO. Yes like I said more r'n'b inclined but in fairness r'n'b and hip hop go hand in hand, well at least they use too.

In all LH better rapper obviously but many a time has Mjb been on the end of a hip hop classic. Overall her catalogue of music smashes any female who ever touched a mic in both hip hop and r'n'b.

So by that logic Nate Dogg is the king?

He's been on more classic records than damn near anybody in hip-hop.

Still ain't no rapper so ain't getting on the list.

Same goes for T-Pain!

And to be honest I'm struggling to think of one Mary J feature that I actually like.

It does go to show the dearth of credible female rappers out there though when somebody can even suggest a singer as the queen!

Nate is the best hook man hip hop has ever seen that's a cert !. The king of g funk I.e hip hop... Comparing tpain to what Nate and mjb have contributed is beyond idiotic, if anything we have tpain to thank for destroying commercial hip hop and undoing the work of Nate and mjb as far as hooks go.

Also I never said mjb was a rapper, I was talking about hip hop as a whole I.e the culture, community... Are you trying to say mjb doesn't fall into this catogery? The soul hip hop queen , check out her remix of hate it or love it and educate yourself.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Nate is the best hook man hip hop has ever seen that's a cert !. The king of g funk I.e hip hop... Comparing tpain to what Nate and mjb have contributed is beyond idiotic, if anything we have tpain to thank for destroying commercial hip hop and undoing the work of Nate and mjb as far as hooks go.

Also I never said mjb was a rapper, I was talking about hip hop as a whole I.e the culture, community... Are you trying to say mjb doesn't fall into this catogery? The soul hip hop queen , check out her remix of hate it or love it and educate yourself.

Educate myself? I've heard plenty of Mary J.

I just happen to disagree with you. It happens sometimes.

Nate Dogg the king of G Funk? Doc Dre might have something to say about that.

As far as T-Pain, if singing hooks can put you at the top of the hip-hop game, him and akon would have owned the last half of the 00's. My point is, it doesn't.

If you want to look at the hip-hop culture as a whole, its generally understood to be rapping, dj'ing, dancing and graffiti. In my book, she's an r&b artist who crosses over for some collaborations. I think r&b and hip-hop are closely linked these days, but I see them as separate genres.

She has contributed to hip-hop, and been involved in some good collaborations, but I think she has never strayed outside the role of an r&b singer in those collaborations. I don't see that she has impacted hip-hop greatly though and I think there are many other singers who could have played a similar role in those songs.

As for the songs posted, I knew Can't Knock the Hustle and All I Need would be posted. They are good songs, but I don't think they are great. I know they have plenty of fans, but I can take em or leave em, and more often than not skip em when they come on my iPod.

Rjd2

floggg wrote: »

Educate myself? I've heard plenty of Mary J.



As for the songs posted, I knew Can't Knock the Hustle and All I Need would be posted. They are good songs, but I don't think they are great. I know they have plenty of fans, but I can take em or leave em, and more often than not skip em when they come on my iPod.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaIAeO2IiZ8

jonneymendoza

Mary J queen of hip hop?

might as well say R kelly is king of hip hop while were at it with usher coming second and chris brown 3rd. how daft does that sound? as daft as labeling Mary J queen of Hip Hop

Da Shins Kelly

jonneymendoza wrote: »

might as well say R kelly is king of hip hop while were at it with usher coming second and chris brown 3rd. how daft does that sound?

It does sound daft given R. Kelly and Usher and Chris Brown are all fairly ****e.

That'd be the main difference between them and Mary J.

floggg

Back in the day R Kelly owned R&B like no other (MJB included).

Then again, he did also release Trapped in the Closet just to make sure he finished the job of destroying his legacy that his fondness for young girls and water sports started.

Da Shins Kelly

Was never a big fan of R. Kelly.

floggg

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaIAeO2IiZ8

Again, it's a good song, but I personally don't think it's great.

That song kinda proves my point though - any R&B singer could play that role. Don't believe me? Check the video for it - the woman who sang on Gravel Pit fills in for MJB and does so fairly well.

On the plus side, gave me an excuse to play Ironman again!

jonneymendoza

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

It does sound daft given R. Kelly and Usher and Chris Brown are all fairly ****e.

That'd be the main difference between them and Mary J.

R kelly owned Rnb back in the day and only a fool would say no. point is, R kelly is just as succesful and big if not more then Mary J and who also had lots of guest apperance with hip hop artists but it DOESNT mean R kelly is a hop hop artist the same way Mary J is not either!

Chris brown is more hip hop then both those two put together though

Bobby Baccala

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Chris brown is more hip hop then both those two put together though

No he's not, he's a pop singer, barely RnB never mind hip hop. Does beautiful people which is arguably his biggest song have anything hip hop orientated involved in it?

Jason Todd

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

No he's not, he's a pop singer, barely RnB never mind hip hop. Does beautiful people which is arguably his biggest song have anything hip hop orientated involved in it?

He was RnB, and went Pop. He was never Hip Hop imo.

jonneymendoza

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

No he's not, he's a pop singer, barely RnB never mind hip hop. Does beautiful people which is arguably his biggest song have anything hip hop orientated involved in it?

listen to "Look at Me Now" plus his whole mixtape album he done last year where he rapped on 9/10 of the tracks on it.

"Deuces and no bull are very much Rnb if you listened to it properly. that is not a pop song especially the latter.

pop is something like lady gagga, britney spears etc. Rnb is usually slow tempo songs with sexual/love lyrics.

Check out R kelly's old work and Ginuwine, Boyz to men, jagged edge and Tyrese, all Rnb and Dueces and no bull sounds exactly like the same sort of music Ginuwine and co have put out before rather then what lady gagga or kate perry has put out.

i dont think some people here actually know what RnB is and cant distinguise the difference of it and automatically think that if a well know selling artists sings instead of raps, he or she is a pop star

Bobby Baccala

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i dont think some people here actually know what RnB is and cant distinguise the difference of it and automatically think that if a well know selling artists sings instead of raps, he or she is a pop star

aah here that's rich coming from you, you think because chris brown has rapped that makes him a hip hop artist, there's a difference between being able to rap and being a hip hop artist.

jonneymendoza

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

aah here that's rich coming from you, you think because chris brown has rapped that makes him a hip hop artist, there's a difference between being able to rap and being a hip hop artist.

nope, wrong. i mentioned him because someone mentioned mary j being a hip hop artist lol.

please re read that exact same post where i said r kelly usher and chris brown are the 3 top hip hop artists. read the part right at the end. will give u a big clue

Da Shins Kelly

jonneymendoza wrote: »

R kelly owned Rnb back in the day and only a fool would say no. point is, R kelly is just as succesful and big if not more then Mary J and who also had lots of guest apperance with hip hop artists but it DOESNT mean R kelly is a hop hop artist the same way Mary J is not either!

Chris brown is more hip hop then both those two put together though

I don't like R. Kelly. End of.

And also if you're going to be pedantic about definitions, technically it's all "pop" music - ie popular music.

Mr. Rager

R. Kelly is tha king.

jonneymendoza

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I don't like R. Kelly. End of.

And also if you're going to be pedantic about definitions, technically it's all "pop" music - ie popular music.

So Nas is pop too?:eek:

Be like Nutella

just saw this thread - here's a Missy mashup I did ages ago if anyone interested

http://soundcloud.com/listothis/missy-elliott-vs-ernie-k-doe

Da Shins Kelly

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So Nas is pop too?:eek:

Technically, if you want to be pedantic, it all is. Pop music is popular music. Nas is popular. Obviously most people define pop music differently these days as being the likes of Rihanna etc. but in it's purest definition it is simply any music that's popular.

jonneymendoza

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Technically, if you want to be pedantic, it all is. Pop music is popular music. Nas is popular. Obviously most people define pop music differently these days as being the likes of Rihanna etc. but in it's purest definition it is simply any music that's popular.

So lets ask a mod to move Nas, Kanye west and probably Kenric Lamar's threads into the pop section of this forum then.

i think u and others have "completely" lost the point and way off topic in this thread.

all started when someone said mary j is queen of hip hop lmao.

this is about missy. love it or hate it, she is Hip hop, same as Chris browm, Nas etc etc.

Chris brown is more hip hop then Mary J thats for sure

Da Shins Kelly

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So lets ask a mod to move Nas, Kanye west and probably Kenric Lamar's threads into the pop section of this forum then.

i think u and others have "completely" lost the point and way off topic in this thread.

all started when someone said mary j is queen of hip hop lmao.

this is about missy. love it or hate it, she is Hip hop, same as Chris browm, Nas etc etc.

Chris brown is more hip hop then Mary J thats for sure

All I'm saying is that is all falls within the sphere of popular music. That's what pop music means in its purest definition - popular music. Obviously it's evolved to mean something different.

Chris Brown is definitely no closer to hip hop than Mary.

jonneymendoza

yes i know what u mean but i get tired of people saying that even Kanye west is pop and not a true hip hop artist as mentioned in the CRUEL SUMMER thread.

floggg

I have to say I'd put a person who makes bad rap songs as being more hip-hop than a person who makes good R&B songs.

I know CB makes bad R&B songs more often than not, but doesn't he try and play a rapper every now and then on mixtapes?

Being **** doesn't preclude you from being hip-hop. Ask Wacka Flocka Flame!