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petition for range in south east
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What a load of bollocks.Range Shooter wrote: »The often lorded FCP........................it was a PR exercise by the DOJ and when some of the "shooters" refused to cow down DOJ pulled the plug
Refused to cow down? You mean took hugely expensive court cases that never could have achieved anything and whose sole gains were signed away in back rooms. And those same people are now calling for an FCP 2.0.
Not to mention that the NARGC and CAI are now off trying to set up a mini-FCP. And that'll just open the floodgates and we'll be right back to where we were, circa 2003. The most important part of which is what happened in 2004...
Again, bollocks. The midlands effort means that reloading has been done, publicly, safely, visibly, by shooters. That's a positive step that would never had happened under the aegis of groups like the NARGC who told the DoJ that no hunters wanted to reload; nor under any other group who just never fought for it as hard as the midlands lot did.And set a precedent that'll probably mean that relaoding at home will never materialise
Begrudgery of the worst type, this.
Would have been hard, since the FCP wasn't founded until a few years afterwards.So there was no FCP input?
Again, it wasn't founded until years later. And it probably could have fixed it; it was far more effective than certain folks with their own agendas have said it was; but it never had the time to do so because shooters smothered it in the crib.So why didn't your FCP sort it so?
Yup. But that's not a mandatory part of the authorisation, it's the whim of the Super.Not if the range has it in it's authorisation that onlt licence holders can shoot there
Again, FCP wasn't founded yet - for decades in this case - and it never got the chance to get to it because shooters sabotaged it for no clear gains.Once again I have to wonder wht the FCP didn't sort it so
Not after the founding of the FCP, no.So the NTSA never made submissions to DOJ?
Before then, yes; there was no other choice. The level of effort involved though, meant that that was not welcome and did not benefit the sport.
There's no illegal stuff on here; read the forum charter.There is a lot of ****e on Utube & here that makes shooters look bad. Maybe shutting this forum down would be a good start so ?
And there you go with the subtle digs and insinuations again. Why can't Irish shooters try to organise even things that everyone agrees are good without that sort of ****e?So selfless these "people" trying to help the rest of us out :cool:
Got one licence for all your firearms, do you? Unregulated low-power airguns? Can zero your rifle before hunting without breaking the law?"Nice things" I have nice things :cool:
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Why focus on the monopoly part and ignore this simply because you cannot explain it away or rationalise it.
Why would I comment on that?
Are people being exploited there or something?
Surely if someone pays their membership and uses the facilities they aren't being exploitedThe person that wrote that petition introduction obviously chose their words carefully, and have said that the MNSCI are exploiting Irish shooters. A fairly serious accusation.
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If someone has a million euro to invest in a range that never will make much of a profit, then good luck to them; but I think we both know that that's not the case here and that that petition is just someone asking idly. Nothing wrong with that either; except that they couldn't ask idly without getting in a dig at people.it looks to me like whoever it is is "putting up" rather than shutting up by doing some research into seeing is it viable venture for the south east
I mean FFS lads, you're supposed to wait until you've founded the range before you start telling porkies about the "competition"
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Sparks,
I though bad language wasn't allowed on the forum? Oh ya. you're a Mod so you can do & post what you like
My point, which you so eloquently ignore, is that all the problems that did & still do exist were NOT sorted by your beloved FCP when it did exist.
So the court cases didn't work BUT neither did the FCP
Until shooters convince the serving or any potential Government that we are a big enough voting group to make a difference in a election all the court cases & FCP's are a complete waste of time
On that note I'll retire from this discussion
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No. It looks like "them feckers have all the shooters, money, etc, etc so after i slate them i'll see if people agree by having them sign my petition".it really looks no more different than someone saying "hey we only have one shop in the village and it has feck all in it,the village is growing,i know ill open one myself"
The person that wrote the petition introduction is.EireIceMan wrote: »Ez, no one is giving out about midlands???
This one;My question is still there.
I answered that already;EireIceMan wrote: »Ez, Can you show me the 'dig, insult and jibes' at the other range???
How would you take it?As usual this is the Irish way of monopolising and exploiting registered firearms owners.
Because you have commented on everything else bar that. IOW selective quoting.Range Shooter wrote: »Why would I comment on that?
Please don't start that "is it happening" crap. It is a poor deflection, and does not hide the fact that you have an opinion on every other aspect, but will not answer this one directly.Are people being exploited there or something?
I'm asking you your opinion. The person signed of with a pseudonym so i don't know who they are.Surely if someone pays their membership and uses the facilities they aren't being exploited:confused
So maybe you should ask them what they mean so
So you agree then that the comment of exploiting members is crap. I would like to ask the OP, but who is it? How would i make contact with them.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
If you see a problem post use the report post function. Click on the three dots on the post, select "FLAG" & let a Moderator deal with it.
Moderators - Cass otmmyboy2 , CatMod - Shamboc , Admins - Beasty , mickeroo
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If bad language was against the charter, half the posters here (if not three quarters of them) would be banned. The worse exccesses get toned down every so often when the forum as a whole is taking a wobbler, but nobody's ever been banned for bad language. Being a dick, yeah, we've banned seven people in eight years for that offence. Hardliners, that's us...Range Shooter wrote: »Sparks,
I though bad language wasn't allowed on the forum? Oh ya. you're a Mod so you can do & post what you like
And my point, which you're ignoring with all the grace of a bull in an industrial plastic shredder, is that the problems were not stopped from arising by the FCP because they arose before the FCP was founded; and they weren't solved by the FCP because shooters smothered the FCP in the crib before that could happen. If it had had more time, the FCP could have solved most of the problems. It wouldn't have been terribly sexy and dramatic, people wouldn't have gotten their names in the paper as leading the charge, it was a quieter process, whose outcome was more binding and longer-lasting than adversarial court cases and whose approach was more realisitic than sending in illegal proposals on the sly; but it would have gotten the job done and to anyone who was results-oriented, it was a better solution than anything we've had before or since.My point, which you so eloquently ignore, is that all the problems that did & still do exist were NOT sorted by your beloved FCP when it did exist.
Do you like your pre-populated licence form? Do you like being able to licence pistols, and having a quick and easy legal method to reintroduce fullbore pistols and amend the conditions on the smallbore pistols being licenced now?So the court cases didn't work BUT neither did the FCP
We didn't get those through court cases (and we've had lots of other threads listing the other things the FCP was able to solve before our own side sank it).
Until you re-reg again you mean bunny shooter?On that note I'll retire from this discussion
Try to learn what actually happened next time, would you?0 -
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