Samaritans: Why 3,000 middle-aged men die by suicide each year (in the UK & Ireland)

LeeHoffmann

I don't think it makes a difference if we discuss different methods of suicide or not as a poster claimed earlier.

ok thanks for explaining. Why do you think it´s irrelevant? Just to be clear, I don´t want to discuss particular methods - e.g. hanging, overdose - just categories (violent or non violent). I think whether people choose violent or non violent methods could perhaps tell us something. You said "Generally I would say a failed attempt that had little liklihood of suceeding is also a cry for help" - I took this to mean non violent attempts were cries for help rather than actual attempts. Perhaps I misunderstood you there.

I don´t want to pull discussion off topic

LegacyUser

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I don't think it makes a difference if we discuss different methods of suicide or not as a poster claimed earlier.

The most common methods are pretty well known - hanging, car, wrist, etc. I don't have much of an issue with those being discussed in a fairly vague way. I'd say the difficulties arise when you get into the nitty gritty aspect - specific details on what someone 'needs' to do, be it buying something from the internet, how long they should wait before doing ________. A quick search online will bring you to sites that'll tell you how do these things.

I learned a particular self-harm method due to an unmoderated site, it gave me 'ideas', so I do think we have to monitor what we say about suicide or self-harm methods. I don't buy into the idea that talking about suicide in general will make people want to go down that road because many are already having such thoughts.

Piliger

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

ok thanks for explaining. Why do you think it´s irrelevant? Just to be clear, I don´t want to discuss particular methods - e.g. hanging, overdose - just categories (violent or non violent). I think whether people choose violent or non violent methods could perhaps tell us something. You said "Generally I would say a failed attempt that had little liklihood of suceeding is also a cry for help" - I took this to mean non violent attempts were cries for help rather than actual attempts. Perhaps I misunderstood you there.

I don´t want to pull discussion off topic

I think you are missing the point. Some one asked that no one mention method at all. That is different from 'discussing it'. I don't necessarily want to discuss it, nor do I think the above contributor does. But we don't believe it there is any reason why it has to be actively avoid being mentioned.

LeeHoffmann

What did I miss? I know Pawwed Rig wasn´t saying we should avoid the topic. He just doesn´t think there´s anything to be gained from discussing it.

Seeing as there´s little interest in discussing this aspect, I´ll leave it there.

Pawwed Rig

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

What did I miss? I know Pawwed Rig wasn´t saying we should avoid the topic. He just doesn´t think there´s anything to be gained from discussing it.

I dunno maybe I am not making myself clear here. I don't see any reason to avoid the topic.
I think the question asked about violent deaths versus non violent deaths is a relevant one. I don't think I said it was irrelevant

I am tired though so will try to be clearer next time

LeeHoffmann

I think the question asked about violent deaths versus non violent deaths is a relevant one. I don't think I said it was irrelevant

oh ok. I thought differently because of this:

I don't think it makes a difference if we discuss different methods of suicide

I am tired though so will try to be clearer next time

no worries.I guess we got our wires crossed. We can come back to it when we´re better rested

Piliger

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

What did I miss? I know Pawwed Rig wasn´t saying we should avoid the topic. He just doesn´t think there´s anything to be gained from discussing it.

This is the actual original post:

martinnew wrote: »

The reality is One in every 38 male deaths and one in every 143 female deaths in Ireland is by suicide.

I would like to know how many Women V Men attempted Suicide so we could get the complete picture.

Men are more nuclear about this decision, But experts say we should not discuss the how people take their lives on internet forums.

I think we should discuss suicide, but keep well away for the details of how men do it. Its what a women for the Samaritans told me.

Please do not discuss ANY methods here. Just keep it as general as possible. Its bad enough the fact people take their lives.

I'm happy to leave it there too.

LeeHoffmann

Piliger, I think you misunderstood my posts. Let´s get off this carousel

martinnew

Piliger wrote: »

Also this attempt to control the 'how' is a very selfish and damaging one. It results in people committing suicide in painful and brutal ways where they suffer a lot more than they would had they known about less painful and brutal ways.

Ok.. We definitely should not be talking about less painful ways to take ones life. This is irresponsible. Boards.ie really should not be a source for this info.

That's the professional advice I was given when I checked again today.

Any professionals here,, feel free to give me your opinion.

What we should do is discuss WHY people arrive to the act,, not the act itself.

Any men want to liven up the discussion here. Any men who were suicidal but were able to get help? I think their story could help others.

Piliger

martinnew wrote: »

Ok.. We definitely should not be talking about less painful ways to take ones life. This is irresponsible. Boards.ie really should not be a source for this info.

That's the professional advice I was given when I checked again today.

Any professionals here,, feel free to give me your opinion.

What we should do is discuss WHY people arrive to the act,, not the act itself.

Any men want to liven up the discussion here. Any men who were suicidal but were able to get help? I think their story could help others.

No one has discussed methods but I find your censorious tone really objectionable and patronising. This is a place for discussion and not for you to drag in so-called expert opinion to lay down the law and shut people up.

Madam_X

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would think that if someone was willing to talk about their plans to commit suicide it is a cry for help rather than a definite plan.

I've read that this is a well meaning but mistaken view - that talking about it can very well mean genuine intention, not only a cry for help.

Priori

Yes, it's certainly not always those who kept silent about it that eventually had the resolve to do it.

Pawwed Rig

Obviously a general thread about suicide will throw up some generalisations. You often hear after a suicide that there was no indications and everyone is taken completely by surprise.

To discuss it with someone is allowing them to intervene in some way (whether that is effective or not).

Priori

I know where you're coming from, but it might be better to say:

To discuss it with someone can be to allow them to intervene in some way (whether that is effective or not).

Piliger

Priori wrote: »

I know where you're coming from, but it might be better to say:

To discuss it with someone can be to allow them to intervene in some way (whether that is effective or not).

'Intervening' is almost always a code word for 'talking' and is highly over stated in it's effectiveness.

I believe this is part of the lexicon that is tossed around by charities who work in this area as part of their natural tendency toward self justification - something all organisations of this type engage in. One thing is clear, the organisations that claim they are 'experts' are doing a pretty crap job in this country and in my view don't merit the title.

It is a fallacy to put it about that 'talking' is some kind of 'solution'. It is one potential helpful action. That is all it is. A lot of people commit suicide because of real world challenges that they cannot deal with - and actual action, by their family and friends, that alleviates their situation is equally likely to be effective.

One of the contributing factors to this topic, imho, is not just that men don't talk, but that too many people nowadays are not interested in listening and acting to help their friends and family relations. There is too much politically correct arms-length distancing going on. In my view we need to return to a much more 'nosier and interfering' attitude in life.

Pawwed Rig

I agree with you generally about 'talking' in that it is often seen as the solution to every problem which it clearly is not.
With regards to an intervention I am not just referring to talking but in some cases closely monitoring the person, gifting cash (if finances are an issue) or ultimately convincing them to see mental health professionals or having the person sectioned. Admittedly these are all short term solutions but often short term solutions are all that is needed when someone is in a crisis.

Priori

Piliger wrote:

One of the contributing factors to this topic, imho, is not just that men don't talk, but that too many people nowadays are not interested in listening and acting to help their friends and family relations.

Lamentably true I think. And I definitely agree that talking is not a solution in itself, though it may sometimes lead to a solution. It is also a possibility that it may lead to the resolve to commit suicide being strengthened; the Stoics, for example, believed that suicide was a perfectly rational option in some circumstances, and you can find traces of this in some forms of existentialism. And if the person in a suicidal state of mind genuinely seeks help and speaks to people deaf to his suffering, this 'talking' could end up having a worse effect than staying silent.

Basically, with talking, it entirely depends on what is said and how it is said. And even then, that is only a first step.

Piliger wrote:

the organisations that claim they are 'experts' are doing a pretty crap job in this country and in my view don't merit the title.

Can you give me an example of a charity that deems themselves 'experts' in this area? You're not referring to organisations such as the Samaritans by any chance? If so, I think that is a very unfair comment.

Piliger

Priori wrote: »

Can you give me an example of a charity that deems themselves 'experts' in this area? You're not referring to organisations such as the Samaritans by any chance? If so, I think that is a very unfair comment.

The Samaritans. I am not attacking them, but responding to an earlier post claiming to say what 'experts' tell him. I know people who work for the Samaritans and it is no insult to them to say that they are not experts in suicide, as such. They know a lot about the people who call them. They don't give advice. They are dedicated to the 'talking' solution approach, which I believe is only 'part' of the solution.
Though they do good work - they are not immune to comment, even 'critical' comment, and should never be imho.

Priori

Well as long as we're clear that they don't claim to be, nor do they advertise themselves as experts - that's really the only point I was taking issue with.

Healthy criticism is of course necessary for any charitable organisation, and I'm sure in the case of the Samaritans, they would listen to it too.

martinnew

Piliger wrote: »

The Samaritans. I am not attacking them, but responding to an earlier post claiming to say what 'experts' tell him. I know people who work for the Samaritans and it is no insult to them to say that they are not experts in suicide, as such. They know a lot about the people who call them. They don't give advice. They are dedicated to the 'talking' solution approach, which I believe is only 'part' of the solution.
Though they do good work - they are not immune to comment, even 'critical' comment, and should never be imho.

Hi, You are correct, The Samaritans are not expects, in the sense they may not be trained psychologists or psychiatrists. But what they do have are some guidelines on some Do's and Don'ts. I setup an online forum to help others deal with Suicide and I got their opinion on the Do's.. One of the Don'ts was not to discuss the HOW's people did it, not to discuss the details, such as what a person put in a note. No to setup a memorial where the took their life, etc..

I see above someone got offended about how I posted.. Well I just relayed what I was told.. And I am no expert. So If any of you are expects please feel free to contradict me to set the record straight. Just a sensitive topic.

I was hoping that more men would get involved in this discussion. On my online forum 70% are women and there is not much active involvement from a male point of view on a tragedy that takes 80% of the victims of suicide.

Lyaiera

Piliger wrote: »

One of the contributing factors to this topic, imho, is not just that men don't talk, but that too many people nowadays are not interested in listening and acting to help their friends and family relations. There is too much politically correct arms-length distancing going on. In my view we need to return to a much more 'nosier and interfering' attitude in life.

You say that part of the solution is that people should be "more 'nosier and interfering'" but that's not something I can translate from your abstraction to real world action. Could you explain more?

Piliger

Lyaiera wrote: »

You say that part of the solution is that people should be "more 'nosier and interfering'" but that's not something I can translate from your abstraction to real world action. Could you explain more?

What I mean is ... many times over the years (I am 50+ and was married) I have seen people among my extended relations and friends have troubles from time to time, or found out about it post facto. But I have also listened as members of that groups have made comments about 'leaving to him to sort it out', 'not my business', 'a man has to sort out his own life', 'I don't want to get sucked into his mess' and many many more kinds of comments. For me, I tend to reach out and ask if there is anything I can do. But I am regularly deflated by other people's isolationism.
If people reached out more to friends that are suffering at an early stage, it would share the burden and lessen it snowballing. And not just talking ... but action too.
For example with debt ... if people reached out early, before it snowballed, it can enable it to be dealt with before it becomes too much for anyone to deal with .. and hence trigger a suicidal episode.
My, albeit only personal, experience with crises... is that very often they result in situations that could have been nipped in the bud had there been someone willing to intercede earlier.

Piliger

martinnew wrote: »

Hi, You are correct, The Samaritans are not expects, in the sense they may not be trained psychologists or psychiatrists. But what they do have are some guidelines on some Do's and Don'ts. I setup an online forum to help others deal with Suicide and I got their opinion on the Do's.. One of the Don'ts was not to discuss the HOW's people did it, not to discuss the details, such as what a person put in a note. No to setup a memorial where the took their life, etc..

I see above someone got offended about how I posted.. Well I just relayed what I was told.. And I am no expert. So If any of you are expects please feel free to contradict me to set the record straight. Just a sensitive topic.

But this is for two main reasons - the risk of their liability if they are accused of complicity, and the idiotic perception - in my view - that somehow learning methods increases the chances to acting. I believe this is both patronising and utter nonsense and should not be the basis for censoring or restricting open discussion between adults on any topic.

I was hoping that more men would get involved in this discussion. On my online forum 70% are women and there is not much active involvement from a male point of view on a tragedy that takes 80% of the victims of suicide.

Unfortunately this is the way of the world.

As with the other threads on Mens Rights, which is directly relevant to this thread, it is an uphill battle to wake men up to issues they should be taking an interest in.

Men are problem solvers ... they tend not to be interested in something unless it affects them personally. By hammering away with topics like these we can hopefully try to chip away and raise the profile of these issues.

Call Me Jimmy

For me personally, yea I've gone to the train station numerous times with the intent (telling nobody) and just couldn't physically bring myself to do it. I don't think anyone talking about methods would cause a suicide, I agree it should be openly discussed because one thing worse than suicide imo is a failed attempt that could leave someone as a vegetable/ severe medical difficulties.

LeeHoffmann

Men are problem solvers

:rolleyes: ridiculous

martinnew

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

For me personally, yea I've gone to the train station numerous times with the intent (telling nobody) and just couldn't physically bring myself to do it. I don't think anyone talking about methods would cause a suicide, I agree it should be openly discussed because one thing worse than suicide imo is a failed attempt that could leave someone as a vegetable/ severe medical difficulties.

Do you mind me asking what were the problems in you life that made you consider ending it? What has helped you coup with your problems?

Call Me Jimmy

martinnew wrote: »

Do you mind me asking what were the problems in you life that made you consider ending it? What has helped you coup with your problems?

Don't mind at all. Young man, used to be attractive, hit my early twenties and went downhill completely, aged 20 years and now I feel odd, a young man with no prospects.

Unfortunately I don't cope, time just has a habit of continuing to pass when you don't kill yourself. So that's all that's happening now.

the_syco

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Male ROI suicides in 2010 = 386 deaths for all men.

For a country such as Ireland where suicide is not always mentioned "out of respect of the family", I'd wonder if the figure isn't a lot higher.

mikemac1 wrote: »

Nobody knows.

Not fair imo to look at cases and then want them reclassified as not accidents.
Unless you find a note or they told someone what they planned it's an accident

This is why it's not marked down as suicide when the car veers off a straight road and hits a tree at max speed.

I remember a Garda saying that at least 10% of these must be suicide, but they must follow the families wishes in not marking it as a suicide. Cannot find the article, though.

bnt wrote: »

It's part of the male psyche to value action, and so, in a fundamental sense, just talking about the problem will never be sufficient.

What some men don't realise is that they don't have all the answers, but someone else may know of an answer. You talk about your problem, and the doctor may have an answer to deal with it, or be able to point you towards someone that has.

If talking was not classed as "sharing your feeling" but as "help us help you", I'd wonder if the affected men would see it as a manly solution (akin to the "workshop" idea).

martinnew wrote: »

I know suicide is an issue that effects Men and Women.. But I think Men are more drastic with this nuclear option, While women may attempt it, more of them survive it than men.

Generally, women use it as a cry for help, in a place where they can be found, etc. Men are often found dead, either hanging from a tree, or under a train.

Please note, I used the word "generally".

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

:rolleyes: ridiculous

Care to elaborate?

Piliger

All of this talk about men not being able to talk, as an explanation for higher male suicide, is a sexist red herring imho. It is used to wipe away the facts that there are a lot more pressures on men than women throughout our lives. Women also have a lot more options when they run into trouble. How many refuges are there for men ? No. The cause of the huge excess in male suicide is not men's inability ot talk ... and we should not accept this as a catch all excuse.

the_syco

Piliger wrote: »

All of this talk about men not being able to talk

IMO, I'm thinking it's a product of the saying; "big boys don't cry". Many men will thus keep in their emotions, not wanting to tell anyone thinking that this will make people think that they're weak. Sure, it's all a load of sh|te, but it's not a case of "men not being able to talk", but a case of "some men being conditioned not to talk about their emotions of sadness".

iptba

Piliger wrote: »

All of this talk about men not being able to talk, as an explanation for higher male suicide, is a sexist red herring imho. It is used to wipe away the facts that there are a lot more pressures on men than women throughout our lives. Women also have a lot more options when they run into trouble. How many refuges are there for men ? No. The cause of the huge excess in male suicide is not men's inability ot talk ... and we should not accept this as a catch all excuse.

Both could be factors.

martinnew

Piliger wrote: »

All of this talk about men not being able to talk, as an explanation for higher male suicide, is a sexist red herring imho. It is used to wipe away the facts that there are a lot more pressures on men than women throughout our lives. Women also have a lot more options when they run into trouble. How many refuges are there for men ? No. The cause of the huge excess in male suicide is not men's inability ot talk ... and we should not accept this as a catch all excuse.

I agree, its not the Catch all excuse, but its a factor.

Other factors for Male suicide, in my opinion are:-

1. Loss of male role models for kids. Nearly 80% plus primary school teachers are women. Pressures on some men mean they work 10-12 hrs a day and don't spend time with they children.

2. Loss of employment, For a man to be out of work is far worse than for a women, I know this is extremely sexist, but its the reality. How a man deals with unemployment on a personal level is very different to how a woman deals with it. I am not saying that all the boys should get jobs first and what's left over goes to the Girls.. But not having anything to do for a man lowers self esteem and does cause a lot of depression. Many women share my male view on this.

3. Linked to point one. When a boy does not have good support and role models, he ends up on paths in life that don't help, taking wrong career choices, doing jobs that don't fulfil them.

There are many other reasons to male suicide.. but I think if you get a good start on life with good support and you enter the Job that is most suited to you it makes all the difference.

eviltwin

Piliger wrote: »

It is used to wipe away the facts that there are a lot more pressures on men than women throughout our lives.

Like what? Not being smart btw just curious. I'd imagine both sexes have it pretty hard.

jill_valentine

Piliger wrote: »

All of this talk about men not being able to talk, as an explanation for higher male suicide, is a sexist red herring imho.

Statistically, women seek treatment for depression more frequently than men, but men take their lives with no warning exponentially more. So I don't think you can really make that assertion, tbh. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that women are more likely to speak to somebody about it - professional or otherwise - whereas men are more likely to internalise it, because society considers that the "manly" reaction.

Piliger

jill_valentine wrote: »

Statistically, women seek treatment for depression more frequently than men, but men take their lives with no warning exponentially more. So I don't think you can really make that assertion, tbh. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that women are more likely to speak to somebody about it - professional or otherwise - whereas men are more likely to internalise it, because society considers that the "manly" reaction.

You continue to assume an underlying principle that 'talking' about it is some kind of magic panacea. I see no evidence of this.

jill_valentine

Piliger wrote: »

You continue to assume an underlying principle that 'talking' about it is some kind of magic panacea. I see no evidence of this.

I'm not assuming anything, I promise you. And I'm not sure why you're so hostile to the concept, to be honest?

Piliger

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'm not assuming anything, I promise you. And I'm not sure why you're so hostile to the concept, to be honest?

Why do you feel the ned to use such aggressive language ? Because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am hostile ?

I have asked for evidence. I have questioned your assumptions. Yet you respond with no argument, no evidence and no real response except accusations ? why ?

jill_valentine

Piliger wrote: »

Why do you feel the ned to use such aggressive language ? Because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am hostile ?

I have asked for evidence. I have questioned your assumptions. Yet you respond with no argument, no evidence and no real response except accusations ? why ?

....?

LeeHoffmann

so we seem to be saying that more men than women kill themselves either because
a. women seek help more often than men
or
b. men´s lives are harder than women´s.

well I know which one makes more sense to me o.O

Care to elaborate?

does it really need elaboration? It´s a stupid stereotype. There are no people who aren´t problem-solvers. It also seems self-contradictory to state that the gender that kills itself most often and seeks help less often is the better problem-solver. Suicide = problem not solved. I think this very idea that men are better problem solvers could also lead men to think that they should be great problem solvers, thus when they can´t fix their problems on their own, they feel like a failure which only makes them feel worse. They then don´t seek help from others because seeking help only points out their inadequacy in solving their own problems.

Piliger

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

so we seem to be saying that more men than women kill themselves either because
a. women seek help more often than men
or
b. men´s lives are harder than women´s.

well I know which one makes more sense to me o.O


does it really need elaboration? It´s a stupid stereotype. There are no people who aren´t problem-solvers. It also seems self-contradictory to state that the gender that kills itself most often and seeks help less often is the better problem-solver. Suicide = problem not solved. I think this very idea that men are better problem solvers could also lead men to think that they should be great problem solvers, thus when they can´t fix their problems on their own, they feel like a failure which only makes them feel worse. They then don´t seek help from others because seeking help only points out their inadequacy in solving their own problems.

In my view this kind of unhelpful prejudicial and sexist fixation is part of what contributes to the whole gender problem we have in our society.

LeeHoffmann

In my view this kind of unhelpful prejudicial and sexist fixation is part of what contributes to the whole gender problem we have in our society.

if you mean the stereotype that you yourself perpetuated, then I agree

The Black Oil

This coroner's comments strike me as bizarre, and a bit frustrating.

Piliger

The Black Oil wrote: »

This coroner's comments strike me as bizarre, and a bit frustrating.

A coroner ... commenting on an area about which he knows absolutely nothing. Hardly surprising he comes out with such drivel.

iptba

The Black Oil wrote: »

This coroner's comments strike me as bizarre, and a bit frustrating.

Yes. What we need is research i.e. you could even look in to such issues with longitudinal.*

The only concern I would have is that not all possibilities would be looked at. Our gender studies departments are hardly bastions of open-mindedness and impartiality. And they influence what is seen as acceptable to say.

*However, I have come across other research now and again that physical abuse when a child, can lead to poorer mental and physical health when older so not convinced by the corporal punishment theory. Lots of ex-military people take their own lives and I see what they go through as almost like corporal punishment.

Piliger

iptba wrote: »

Yes. What we need is research i.e. you could even look in to such issues with longitudinal.*

The only concern I would have is that not all possibilities would be looked at. Our gender studies departments are hardly bastions of open-mindedness and impartiality. And they influence what is seen as acceptable to say.

*However, I have come across other research now and again that physical abuse when a child, can lead to poorer mental and physical health when older so not convinced by the corporal punishment theory. Lots of ex-military people take their own lives and I see what they go through as almost like corporal punishment.

Also back the day ..... when this idiot thought we had a golden age ... suicide was probably vastly under recorded and this assumption of his that suicide is more prevalent is a bunch of hooey ...

Reku

It might be from an animé but I think this quote sums it up reasonably well:

Maes Hughes: In general, men prefer to let their actions speak instead of words. When they're in pain, they don't want to burden anyone with it, not if they can help it. They don't want anyone to worry about them. That's how they are.

After-all, why spread pain around unnecessarily?

LeeHoffmann

^ Are you saying that men don´t talk about things or seek help because they don´t want to be a burden? I know some people (men and women) who are like this and I think we can all understand that kind of thinking to some extent. Maybe it´s more common in men, I don´t know. Would talking about this or asking for help be a burden? I guess it can be sometimes, depending on the people (the helpers). I think though that most people would prefer to be ´burdened´ with the problems of somebody close to them than run the risk of losing that person, so it´s an awful pity that some people think this way. I guess though, you think you can handle the problem on your own and commit yourself to doing that - and then things can just snowball, and it gets harder and harder to ask for help.


Im also inclined to agree that suicide was probably greatly under-reported back in the day

iptba

Just an early heads up on the following, upcoming report. It may get its own thread at the time:

Launch of Young Men and Suicide Project Report
Since March 2011, the Men‟s Health Forum in Ireland (MHFI) http://www.mhfi.org/ has been working on an all-Ireland „Young Men and Suicide Project‟ (YMSP). This cross-Border initiative was jointly funded by the National Office for Suicide Prevention http://www.nosp.ie/ in the Republic of Ireland, and the Public Health Agency http://www.publichealth.hscni.net/ in Northern Ireland. The aim of YMSP was to identify a range of possible means to promote positive mental health among young men on the island of Ireland, and to assess the efficacy of these approaches. A full report on the project is now being finalised, and will be launched on Wednesday 23rd January 2013. Keep an eye on the MHFI website (www.mhfi.org), Facebook page (www.facebook.com/menshealthforumireland) and Twitter site (www.twitter.com/menshealthIRL) for details of how to get a copy of the report and/or attend the launch.

(from the December 2012 edition of the newsletter of the Men’s Health Forum in Ireland)

Pawwed Rig

A really tragic story. It is often easy to take pops at Politicians but many are under huge pressure.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/political-world-is-rocked-by-tragic-death-of-junior-minister-3334005.html

Lets hope something good comes out of it by raising awareness.

iptba

This story has got some coverage in the UK, including on Sky http://news.sky.com/story/1068998/huge-problem-of-male-suicide-rate-in-uk , today. Age group mentioned here 30-44.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/24/suicide-biggest-male-killer-3556960/

Suicide is now the biggest killer of young men in Britain, a charity has claimed.

Three young males take their own life on average every day across the country – and the recession is thought to be playing a part in many of the deaths.

The latest figures show that the suicide rate rose significantly in 2011 with 4,552 men taking their own life out of a total of 6,045 people.

The highest rate was in the male age bracket 30-44. Suicide in this group accounted for more deaths than road accidents, murder and HIV/Aids combined.

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