Ban Jewish skullcap in public, says Marine

Border-Rat

Far right politician Marine Le Pen has caused outrage across France by calling for the banning of the Jewish skullcap in public.

‘What would people say if I only asked to ban Muslim clothing? They would burn me as a Muslim hater’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207486/French-National-Front-leader-calls-ban-wearing-Jewish-skullcap-public--equality.html#ixzz27O458h4r

Certainly. I agree with this. According to the Rabbi it is 'deeply deplorable'. It appears we have double standards in Europe. Its fine to ban religious regalia if its associated with Islam, its fine to even publish bigoted Islamaphobic cartoons. None of that is 'deeply deplorable'? Banning religious headgear only becomes taboo, apparently, when it comes to that other Middle Eastern culture.

I'm all for equality.

wes

The National Front hate Jews just as much as Muslims. They have been been keeping there Anti-semitism quiet these days, to focus more on Muslims , but as we can see from the link, its still there. This isn't about equality, its just a rather sorry attempt to hide there Anti-semetism.

nyarlothothep

Well if you're going down that route you might as well ban people wearing crosses, turbans etc. But what gives any one individual or group of individuals the right to dictate what you can and can't wear in public? As much as I dislike the burka, for example, as it is very medieval, I'm not going to impose my own values on someone else and say "you can't wear that because it offends me!" Ditto for cartoons depicting Muhammed, if Muslims don't like it tough, they live a world among other people, many of whom don't share their values and people in the West shouldn't give into religious threats/intolerance, we've seen that happen before in our own histories. It just seems like arguments and conflicts over subjects like this are attributable to people's egos getting out of control. They want to impose their values on everyone else and they should be told where to get off.

Border-Rat

wes wrote: »

The National Front hate Jews just as much as Muslims. They have been been keeping there Anti-semitism quiet these days, to focus more on Muslims , but as we can see from the link, its still there. This isn't about equality, its just a rather sorry attempt to hide there Anti-semetism.

So should the National Front be banned, in your opinion?

wes

Border-Rat wrote: »

So should the National Front be banned, in your opinion?

I made no mention of banning anything.

However, to answer your question. There not engaged in any organised violence, so no, they shouldn't be. Just, because those clowns wish to ban things, doesn't mean we should stoop to there level.

Border-Rat

wes wrote: »

I made no mention of banning anything.

However, to answer your question. There not engaged in any organised violence, so no, they shouldn't be. Just, because those clowns wish to ban things, doesn't mean we should stoop to there level.

I hope this ire is directed at the French centrists who banned the Burqa too?

Manach

From my historical reactionary PoV perhaps a public ban on an symbolic item that had incited violence, intolerance and bloodshed that ran into the millions of casualties might be in order. I of course mean the French tricolor.

wes

Border-Rat wrote: »

I hope this ire is directed at the French centrists who banned the Burqa too?

Yes, I did. If you read the threads from back then, you will see my post in that regard.

humanji

I thought they didn't ban the Burqa, just the full veiled ones (the niqab?)?

brimal

Another day, another anti-Jew thread by Border-Rat.

We've had such classics as the Holocaust described as 'the Jewish fairytale tradition', 9/11 was a 'Jew job' plus many more 'Jews did xyz' threads.

What's interesting to note is the regular users, who are usually defenders of minorities, are entertaining these last few threads started by Border-Rat.

Nodin

Border-Rat wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207486/French-National-Front-leader-calls-ban-wearing-Jewish-skullcap-public--equality.html#ixzz27O458h4r

Certainly. I agree with this. According to the Rabbi it is 'deeply deplorable'. It appears we have double standards in Europe. Its fine to ban religious regalia if its associated with Islam, its fine to even publish bigoted Islamaphobic cartoons. None of that is 'deeply deplorable'? Banning religious headgear only becomes taboo, apparently, when it comes to that other Middle Eastern culture.

I'm all for equality.

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It's more bigotry from a shower of bigots. I'm unclear where you're going with this.

Nodin

brimal wrote: »

Another day, another anti-Jew thread by Border-Rat.

We've had such classics as the Holocaust described as 'the Jewish fairytale tradition', 9/11 was a 'Jew job' plus many more 'Jews did xyz' threads.

......

We have? Certainly I didn't see any such titles, and I'm fairly sure I'd notice.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

do you post in conspiracy theories much?

wilkie2006

Border-Rat wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207486/French-National-Front-leader-calls-ban-wearing-Jewish-skullcap-public--equality.html#ixzz27O458h4r

Certainly. I agree with this. According to the Rabbi it is 'deeply deplorable'. It appears we have double standards in Europe. Its fine to ban religious regalia if its associated with Islam, its fine to even publish bigoted Islamaphobic cartoons. None of that is 'deeply deplorable'? Banning religious headgear only becomes taboo, apparently, when it comes to that other Middle Eastern culture.

I'm all for equality.

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This isn't an issue of equality, though. Marine Le Pen - like her father, Jean-Marie - is hard line racist cunt who wants to destroy what's left of French multiculturalism. Instead of campaigning against France's tradition of secularisation - particularly in the public sector - she's using this policy to handcuff another ethnic group.

This is nothing to do about achieving equality. If it was, Le Pen would argue from the other side saying, "Hey, the Jews are allowed x, y and z so the Muslims should be too." All this is is a sly way of getting "les bleedin' forr-ed-nurs ourra La France".

hyperborean

humanji wrote: »

I thought they didn't ban the Burqa, just the full veiled ones (the niqab?)?

Come on now, dont ruin the rant with obvious questions!

wes

humanji wrote: »

I thought they didn't ban the Burqa, just the full veiled ones (the niqab?)?

Burqa and the Niqab both cover the face. There just different style of the same thing, from different countries. So both were banned.

Alan_Curry

Border-Rat wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207486/French-National-Front-leader-calls-ban-wearing-Jewish-skullcap-public--equality.html#ixzz27O458h4r


I'm all for equality.

So am I but Islam doesn't offer equality to gays and women. This is a contradiction. I'm all in favour of banning oppressive clothing and religions. Let's just face facts, Islam is nasty religion and I'm glad I was born in the West. As much as I hate Catholicism, at least we're able to drink here and our women are not treated like second class citizens because political leaders believe in a non-extant God and a paedophile prophet.

All countries should follow in France's footsteps and start clamping down on Islamofascism, it will help inspire and more modernized , up-to-date version of Islam like the Christians did in the 20th Century

hyperborean

Alan_Curry wrote: »

So am I but Islam doesn't offer equality to gays and women. This is a contradiction. I'm all in favour of banning oppressive clothing and religions. Let's just face facts, Islam is nasty religion and I'm glad I was born in the West. As much as I hate Catholicism, at least we're able to drink here and our women are not treated like second class citizens because political leaders believe in a non-extant God and a paedophile prophet.

All countries should follow in France's footsteps and start clamping down on Islamofascism, it will help inspire and more modernized , up-to-date version of Islam like the Christians did in the 20th Century

Is there a major religion that doesn't discriminate?

Eggy Baby!

So am I but Islam doesn't offer equality to gays and women. This is a contradiction. I'm all in favour of banning oppressive clothing and religions. Let's just face facts, Islam is nasty religion and I'm glad I was born in the West.

Oh god...here we go again!

All countries should follow in France's footsteps and start clamping down on Islamofascism, it will help inspire and more modernized , up-to-date version of Islam like the Christians did in the 20th Century

And who would usher in this "modernised" and "up-to-date" version of Islam? Idealistic tosh.

EDIT: I just noticed this gem of yours: "I'm all in favour of banning oppressive clothing and religions."

So you are in favour of banning religions? I think you and Mao Zedong could have a nice chat over a meal..

avalon68

Alan_Curry wrote: »

So am I but Islam doesn't offer equality to gays and women. This is a contradiction. I'm all in favour of banning oppressive clothing and religions. Let's just face facts, Islam is nasty religion and I'm glad I was born in the West. As much as I hate Catholicism, at least we're able to drink here and our women are not treated like second class citizens because political leaders believe in a non-extant God and a paedophile prophet.

All countries should follow in France's footsteps and start clamping down on Islamofascism, it will help inspire and more modernized , up-to-date version of Islam like the Christians did in the 20th Century

Ahhhhh....minor flaw there......the old Catholic Church isn't too fond of gay people either, nor do the promote equality by championing female priests. It's not necessarily the religion that's the problem, it's the amount of power given over to gun wielding twats.

southsiderosie

MOD NOTE:

Alan_Curry has been banned for a month due to antics in a different thread involving Muslims, so he won't be replying anytime soon.

Jonny7

Nodin wrote: »

We have? Certainly I didn't see any such titles, and I'm fairly sure I'd notice.

Yup they are there. In fairness this post is pretty tame compared to Holocaust denial and "Jews did 911" and all that jazz.

Frynge

Don't catholic clergy also wear the skullcaps, so will they also be banned from wearing them?

Chuck Stone

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its fine to ban religious regalia if its associated with Islam

It wasn't fine.

Many people were against the ban.

Nodin

Jonny7 wrote: »

Yup they are there. In fairness this post is pretty tame compared to Holocaust denial and "Jews did 911" and all that jazz.

Not in Politics though?

Slurryface

Border-Rat wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207486/French-National-Front-leader-calls-ban-wearing-Jewish-skullcap-public--equality.html#ixzz27O458h4r

Certainly. I agree with this. According to the Rabbi it is 'deeply deplorable'. It appears we have double standards in Europe. Its fine to ban religious regalia if its associated with Islam, its fine to even publish bigoted Islamaphobic cartoons. None of that is 'deeply deplorable'? Banning religious headgear only becomes taboo, apparently, when it comes to that other Middle Eastern culture.

I'm all for equality.

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Based on your posting history it might well be argued that you are all for anything that is anti-Jewish since you seem to be unable to seperate you open hostility to the state of Israel from Judeism in general.

wes

Frynge wrote: »

Don't catholic clergy also wear the skullcaps, so will they also be banned from wearing them?

Muslim men sometimes wear something similar as well.

nevsky

Nodin wrote: »

Not in Politics though?

I don't post that much, but had to reply to this one. The amount of anti-Jewish (Not Israeli but Jewish) posts and threads on this forum and others is quite ridiculous at times. Sure the guy who started this thread is banned, but the thread is still open.

Leincar quit boards because of a thread started by a guy who is still not banned, yet the thread was closed. He got 'Invader Zimmy' bang to rights over his racist postings about Jews, Muslims, and black people. He got no backing that I could see on this forum. In fact you said you couldn't see it.

peil

Most countries have freedom of religion, France has freedom FROM religion. You're not even supposed to wear a cross, although I somehow doubt if it's a crime and I'm sure no one will stop you.

Nodin

nevsky wrote: »

I don't post that much, but had to reply to this one. The amount of anti-Jewish (Not Israeli but Jewish) posts and threads on this forum and others is quite ridiculous at times. Sure the guy who started this thread is banned, but the thread is still open.

Leincar quit boards because of a thread started by a guy who is still not banned, yet the thread was closed. He got 'Invader Zimmy' bang to rights over his racist postings about Jews, Muslims, and black people. He got no backing that I could see on this forum. In fact you said you couldn't see it.

In the politics forum? You've a link or two, I trust?

nevsky

Nodin wrote: »

In the politics forum? You've a link or two, I trust?

Just look back at some of the threads. Its not just anti-Jewish, there are anti-Islamic threads as well.

Nodin

nevsky wrote: »

Just look back at some of the threads. Its not just anti-Jewish, there are anti-Islamic threads as well.

Examples of anti-jewish threads, please. And this "invader zimmy" thing you're on about as well.

nevsky

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056684067

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056761273

Thats just two that spring to mind. Other threads that mention Israel quickly descend in to anti-semitism and well you know it. Also there is a thread in Golden Dawn thats skirted pretty close.

Nodin

nevsky wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056684067

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056761273

Thats just two that spring to mind. Other threads that mention Israel quickly descend in to anti-semitism and well you know it. Also there is a thread in Golden Dawn thats skirted pretty close.

Two. Ones from AH. The other is recent and locked.

And don't tell me no-one advocating a far right position got a hard time in the golden dawn thread.

Anyhoo, if you see an anti-semtic or racist post or thread, report the thing.

southsiderosie

MOD NOTE:

I think the discussion over anti-Semitic (and for that matter, anti-Muslim) threads is worthwhile, but belongs in the the 'Discussion of the Rules' thread in this forum, or the Feedback forum for the entire website. I will say, however, that both of the OPs in the links above have been banned (and that includes the OP of this thread).

The Corinthian

Any ethnic group that makes chicken soup that good can't be all bad, as far as I'm concerned.

If only we judged ethnic groups on their cuisine - of course then, we'd be a lot less popular...

super_furry

Wasn't the burqa banned because it disguises someone's identity? A skull cap does not.

rockclover1

in fairness though i dont see how the skull cap obstructs the face in anyway or even the hairline like some scarves wrapped around the side of the head can do..i dont think it is practical to say lets ban it,im beginning to think she is a racist for that.

i can understand the practicality of asking muslims to stop obstructing their faces with a full on burka or head gear,the skull cap though is a different story,it doesnt even interfere with the hairline around the face,its literally on the back of the head the cap is placed..

Zamboni

Banning religious garments is almost as idiotic as wearing religious garments.

rockclover1

no i dont agree i think banning certain religious garments like lets say a cloth covering the face or a scarf hiding half the side of your face and hairline,for obvious reasons,so people can be ID'd,i think that is very important,it is what makes our societies as safe as they can be.If any anti social activity were to occur and it was seen as acceptable to wear a burka,or full on head gear,how can that person be ID'd?It could even be a guy under there,could be someone with murdereous intentions,someone physically hiding something,or shoplifting,its our right to know as a public who is there and what they look like.You just never know..

Zamboni

rockclover1 wrote: »

no i dont agree i think banning certain religious garments like lets say a cloth covering the face or a scarf hiding half the side of your face and hairline,for obvious reasons,so people can be ID'd,i think that is very important,it is what makes our societies as safe as they can be.If any anti social activity were to occur and it was seen as acceptable to wear a burka,or full on head gear,how can that person be ID'd?It could even be a guy under there,could be someone with murdereous intentions,someone physically hiding something,or shoplifting,its our right to know as a public who is there and what they look like.You just never know..

So in the name of ID, you pretty much want to ban all and any items which can cover/partially cover the face.
So scarves, caps, hoodies, sunglasses, Halloween masks etc should all be banned - or do you really just have a thing about Muslims?

who the fug

wes wrote: »

Burqa and the Niqab both cover the face. There just different style of the same thing, from different countries. So both were banned.

what about a ski mask and a west cork shawl

rockclover1

So in the name of ID, you pretty much want to ban all and any items which can cover/partially cover the face.
So scarves, caps, hoodies, sunglasses, Halloween masks etc should all be banned - or do you really just have a thing about Muslims?

NO.I dont have a thing about muslims,you just added that in yourself.Just to clear things up.

Halloween items are seasonal,a burka i believe is all year around,as long as men are looking etc.

Hoodies are also seen as a problem or did you not hear politicians also having discussions about the anti social behaviour surrounding hoodies?Caps can also be used to obstruct and sunglasses if worn together.

Would it be acceptable to walk into a bank with a full on biker helmet or would people get suspicious and bankers fingers linger near the alert button?


Its perfectly reasonable to ask the question is the burka or can the burka be used in a criminal situation,you see by normalising the burka you make it more acceptable and a crime could even go unnoticed until it is too late..

Think about that for a change ,instead of hysterically pointing the finger and touting racist or i must have something against muslims.

Sorry to dissapoint.

Zamboni

So you think hoodies and sunglasses should be banned too?

Nodin

rockclover1 wrote: »

in fairness though i dont see how the skull cap obstructs the face in anyway or even the hairline like some scarves wrapped around the side of the head can do..i dont think it is practical to say lets ban it,im beginning to think she is a racist for that.

i can understand the practicality of asking muslims to stop obstructing their faces with a full on burka or head gear,the skull cap though is a different story,it doesnt even interfere with the hairline around the face,its literally on the back of the head the cap is placed..

They want to ban the skull cap because they're - a lot of of them - anti-semites. Don't listen to that "even handed" crap

who the fug

Nodin wrote: »

They want to ban the skull cap because they're - a lot of of them - anti-semites. Don't listen to that "even handed" crap

They want to ban everyone and anyone who is different to their ickle tribe.

If they did not have skin or religion they would pick on gingers

T-K-O

Apples and oranges. You CANNOT have someone in a Burqa go through security in airport. That's just ridiculous.

Now the skullcap should be remove in the same situation just like a baseball cap or hat

The Corinthian

Zamboni wrote: »

So you think hoodies and sunglasses should be banned too?

Hoodies definitely. Add the public wearing of pyjamas or Nike tracksuits to the list.

southsiderosie

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rockclover1

So you think hoodies and sunglasses should be banned too?

If they are worn together it is a purposeful effort to obstruct viewing of the face,so i would say it would be appropraite to remove them for security reasons,just like anybody wearing a full on burka would have to do the same thing,i think it is a reasonable request to expect people to act with a certain decorum in those situations and comply.Wearing full burka or headgear is a deliberate attempt to obstruct the face,it is important also in work situations to not fully obstruct your face..