Time to re evaluate enoch powells "rivers of blood" speech

wendell borton

This is the full text of Enoch Powell's so-called 'Rivers of Blood' speech, which was delivered to a Conservative Association meeting in Birmingham on April 20 1968.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

A lot of what he said makes sense given the current state of the UK and we are probably a few years behind them here.

karma_

wendell borton wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

A lot of what he said makes sense given the current state of the UK and we are probably a few years behind them here.

LOL

Nodin

Ok.


It's still a load of racist bollocks and ignorance.

Slurryface

karma_ wrote: »

LOL

In retrospect he was quite a visionary.

Nodin

Slurryface wrote: »

In retrospect he was quite a visionary.

...why, what did he envision?

super_furry

Why reevaluate? We still have the likes of Nick Griffin espousing the exact same kind of nonsense. Thankfully people ignore their hate and their bile and their racism becomes ever increasingly marginalised.

WindSock

Even for its time, it was quite behind its time. So.....nah.

Eve_Dublin

Ah shadapayaface!

Slurryface

Nodin wrote: »

...why, what did he envision?

Rivers of blood, like those seen in London in July 2005 when their "homegrown" talibanis blew up trains and buses.

af_thefragile

Slurryface wrote: »

Rivers of blood, like those seen in London in July 2005 when their "homegrown" talibanis blew up trains and buses.

If it wouldn't be the "homegrown talibans" it would have been someone else eventually. Its not like London was never ever attacked before...

Nodin

Slurryface wrote: »

Rivers of blood, like those seen in London in July 2005 when their "homegrown" talibanis blew up trains and buses.

Considering that we paddys had been blowing up things over there since the 1800's, for a run of (roughly) 130-140 years, on and off, do you think he should have mentioned the irish in his speech?

O - and you might quote where he mentions "terrorism", "muslims" and that kind of thing while you're at it.

karma_

Slurryface wrote: »

In retrospect he was quite a visionary.

Visionary my arse. That speech is nothing but racist bile from a racist old bastard.

Slurryface

af_thefragile wrote: »

If it wouldn't be the "homegrown talibans" it would have been someone else eventually. Its not like London was never ever attacked before...

Point is bubba, it WAS homegrown Talabanis! That is what counts.

karma_

Slurryface wrote: »

Point is bubba, it WAS homegrown Talabanis! That is what counts.

Flutterin?

MrMatisse

Trouble does not occur because people are a particular colour, it occurs because they are poor, become disenfranchised, then angry and go seek an outlet for that anger.

Many ethnic minorities are poor because their poor grandparents emigrated to Britain in the fifties and sixties worked in menial jobs, couldnt educate their kids properly and so the cycle that had been in place in the UK for decades continued. It became more colourful, as poor imigrant parents had kids who stayed poor due to a lack of social mobility and inequality like the white people.

Powell forgot that before the imigrants, there were the white poor.

Such forgetfulness leading to the conclusion that trouble and lack of integration are purely an immigrant problem which has recently arisen can also be termed RACISIM.

Its disgusting stupid and should not be shrouded in any other language.

Nodin

Slurryface wrote: »

Point is bubba, it WAS homegrown Talabanis! That is what counts.

You going to answer my query.....?

Duzzer

It certainly applies here,though unlike the immigrants in Powells speech our "immigrants" don't have to work to have a suitable income and and house.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

It certainly applies here,though unlike the immigrants in Powells speech our "immigrants" don't have to work to have a suitable income and and house.

....here we go. The usual bollocks.

You can't arrive in this country and claim.

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

....here we go. The usual bollocks.

You can't arrive in this country and claim.

Once you become a citizen you can and it's really easy because not having a prior tax history etc. means the minimum amount of means tests form filling etc.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

Once you become a citizen you can and it's really easy because not having a prior tax history etc. means the minimum amount of means tests form filling etc.

Really.

So every immigrant who comes here becomes a citizen? And all immigrants who become citizens do it for the free house and money....?

latenia

I can only begin to imagine how sh1te Dublin would be now without the foreigners living here.

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

Really.

So every immigrant who comes here becomes a citizen? And all immigrants who become citizens do it for the free house and money....?

Not all but alot know that if they are going to land somewhere in Europe then Ireland has good benefits. I don't see many rolling up in Poland or Latvia for example

ejmaztec

Slurryface wrote: »

Rivers of blood, like those seen in London in July 2005 when their "homegrown" talibanis blew up trains and buses.

His rivers of blood speech was purely to do with a race war, and absolutely feck all to do with terrorists.

starbelgrade

Duzzer wrote: »

Not all but alot know that if they are going to land somewhere in Europe then Ireland has good benefits. I don't see many rolling up in Poland or Latvia for example

Post edited for "grammar".

LOL

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

Not all but alot know that if they are going to land somewhere in Europe then Ireland has good benefits. I don't see many rolling up in Poland or Latvia for example

Just to clarify here....what countries of origin do these immigrants you're talking about hail from?

Duzzer

starbelgrade wrote: »

Post edited for "grammar".

LOL

Best you can come up with?:D

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

Just to clarify here....what countries of origin do these immigrants you're talking about hail from?

Outside EU mostly Africa

El Weirdo

Duzzer wrote: »

Outside EU mostly Africa

Ah... it's the brown people you have a problem with.

Didn't see that coming.

Nodin

El Weirdo wrote: »

Ah... it's the brown people you have a problem with.

Didn't see that coming.

It shocked the fuck out of me, I have to say. Nearly dropped me Gerry Adams mug.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

Outside EU mostly Africa

Well the number of immigrants from those areas are actually fairly small. What you're on about, I suspect, are Asylum seekers. Do you know how long it can take to get processed, for an asylum seeker?

Duzzer

El Weirdo wrote: »

Ah... it's the brown people you have a problem with.

Didn't see that coming.

Not necessarily

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

Well the number of immigrants from those areas are actually fairly small. What you're on about, I suspect, are Asylum seekers. Do you know how long it can take to get processed, for an asylum seeker?

I'd say they mostly arrived here under that guise. One can only imagine the terror they went through as they had to flee their country and seek asylum on a little island on the far side of Europe.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

I'd say they mostly arrived here under that guise. One can only imagine the terror they went through as they had to flee their country and seek asylum on a little island on the far side of Europe.

So now all asylum seekers who made it here and made it through the process are, essentially, fraudsters.

If you were seeking asylum, would you go to a stable safe country, or someplace like somalia?

Mr Benevolent

Cool, Stormfront's got a presence on Boards now. Who wants popcorn?

af_thefragile

Confab wrote: »

Cool, Stormfront's got a presence on Boards now. Who wants popcorn?

I thought they've been here for years...

Duzzer

Well guise is a word to describe an impression or appearance that someone wants to portray. In the case of an asylum seeker obviously not all are genuine when their cases are examined therefore the word guise is the most appropriate one to use.

Duzzer

Confab wrote: »

Cool, Stormfront's got a presence on Boards now. Who wants popcorn?

Are you inferring some one here is in stormfront?

Pherekydes

Duzzer wrote: »

Well guise is a word to describe an impression or appearance that someone wants to portray. In the case of an asylum seeker obviously not all are genuine when their cases are examined therefore the word guise is the most appropriate one to use.

In some cases. In many cases, asylum seekers are legit.

Enoch Powell was a rabidly racist rabble rouser.

Nice alliteration, eh?

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

Well guise is a word to describe an impression or appearance that someone wants to portray. In the case of an asylum seeker obviously not all are genuine when their cases are examined therefore the word guise is the most appropriate one to use.

....but you seem to be implying that at least some of the ones that get in are not in fact, genuine.

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

....but you seem to be implying that at least some of the ones that get in are not in fact, genuine.

I'm saying that of all the asylum seekers that arrive here some of them are not genuine. I'm always amazed at the efforts they have all made to get to Ireland, if they purely want to get away from tyranny and terror then why not just get to the closest country that will give them safe refuge.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

I'm saying that of all the asylum seekers that arrive here some of them are not genuine..

...but theres frauds in every system and the vast majority of applicants don't get in so whats the big deal? Are you saying some that get in are fraudsters?

Duzzer wrote: »

I'm always amazed at the efforts they have all made to get to Ireland, if they purely want to get away from tyranny and terror then why not just get to the closest country that will give them safe refuge.

Theres no obligation to go to the closest country. Where would you go, somalia, Uganda or here?

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

...but theres frauds in every system and the vast majority of applicants don't get in so whats the big deal? Are you saying some that get in are fraudsters?



Theres no obligation to go to the closest country. Where would you go, somalia, Uganda or here?

There's a lot of countries to go to between Africa and Ireland. If your in pure terror then you'll just try and get to a safe refuge. If you are willing to try and go 1000s of miles across Africa and Europe to get to Ireland then there must be a more specific reason than fleeing from persecution.

WindSock

I, for one, am sick of these 'Enoch Enoch' jokes.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

There's a lot of countries to go to between Africa and Ireland. If your in pure terror then you'll just try and get to a safe refuge. If you are willing to try and go 1000s of miles across Africa and Europe to get to Ireland then there must be a more specific reason than fleeing from persecution.

.....so the chinese who go to America are chancers, the Afghans who go to Britain are chancers.....

And again - unless you're saying that people who are fraudsters are being granted citizenship in large numbers - I don't see what your problem is.

Why can't you answer the question as regards as to where you'd go?

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

.....so the chinese who go to America are chancers, the Afghans who go to Britain are chancers.....

And again - unless you're saying that people who are fraudsters are being granted citizenship in large numbers - I don't see what your problem is.

Why can't you answer the question as regards as to where you'd go?

I've never had to bail out of Somalia but if I was fleeing in genuine terror I'd try and get to the closest country that would provide food and safe refuge.

profitius

Powell was saying what alot of people were thinking but were not allowed say. Fair play to him for standing up for what he believed.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

I've never had to bail out of Somalia but if I was fleeing in genuine terror I'd try and get to the closest country that would provide food and safe refuge.

And after that.....? leave your family in the tent/lean-to and be happy with that?

You seem to be dodging the issue of whether or not those granted citizenship are fraudsters or not.

El Weirdo

profitius wrote: »

Fair play to him for standing up for what he believed.

I'm going to resist the temptation to Godwin this thread.

Duzzer

Nodin wrote: »

And after that.....? leave your family in the tent/lean-to and be happy with that?

You seem to be dodging the issue of whether or not those granted citizenship are fraudsters or not.

Vast majority are Economic migrants as they are arriving here to seek better economic conditions rather than just pure safe haven to get away from immediate danger.

af_thefragile

Duzzer wrote: »

Vast majority are Economic migrants as they are arriving here to seek better economic conditions rather than just pure safe haven to get away from immediate danger.

You'ld probably do the same if you were in their place too.
Don't judge, its just human nature to want a better life.
Same reason why the Irish move to USA/Australia etc.

Just because they're a different colour doesn't make them any lesser human.

Nodin

Duzzer wrote: »

Vast majority are Economic migrants as they are arriving here to seek better economic conditions rather than just pure safe haven to get away from immediate danger.

But what you really mean is that any African who becomes an Irish citizen is by default "dodgy".