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Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Interest, participation and attendance is growing. Slowly but it is happening.
    It's a worldwide wthing. Female team field sports are growing.

    Womens AFL is in its second season in Australia.
    Manchester united founded a professional womens team just 8 months ago.
    England have awarded their womens team with full professional contracts for the first time just this month.

    I think the ladies football has increased from where it was with many teams now having a fulfillment of coaches and support staff akin to the men which was not there in the past.

    They send kids in to bump up figures.

    The magical thing about football is you see things no one else can do. Canning cutting over a point, a free from 100 yards out.

    I don't think anyone finds goalkeeping like womens football enjoyable to watch. They can barely kick the ball over the bar from 30 yards ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    They send kids in to bump up figures.

    The magical thing about football is you see things no one else can do. Canning cutting over a point, a free from 100 yards out.

    I don't think anyone finds goalkeeping like womens football enjoyable to watch. They can barely kick the ball over the bar from 30 yards ffs.

    I'll just post this here again as you didn't read it the last time.
    It's a worldwide thing. Female team field sports are growing.

    Womens AFL is in its second season in Australia.
    Manchester united founded a professional womens team just 8 months ago.
    England have awarded their womens team with full professional contracts for the first time just this month.

    It's improving and yet some are still stuck thinking 'yeah, well, they're not as good as the men'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Interest, participation and attendance is growing. Slowly but it is happening.
    It's a worldwide wthing. Female team field sports are growing.

    Womens AFL is in its second season in Australia.
    Manchester united founded a professional womens team just 8 months ago.
    England have awarded their womens team with full professional contracts for the first time just this month.

    I think the ladies football has increased from where it was with many teams now having a fulfillment of coaches and support staff akin to the men which was not there in the past.
    But who pays for all this though? Is any revenue being drawn from the game to justify pro contracts?

    This has come to a head in basketball recently with the WNBA.. This organization loses millions of dollars a yr and hasn't made profit in any yr since its formation back in the 90s.


    The NBA owners association who fund it are basically saying that they've had enough and want the entire league to be restructured, possibly reverting to semi pro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    But who pays for all this though? Is any revenue being drawn from the game to justify pro contracts?

    This has come to a head in basketball recently with the WNBA.. This organization loses millions of dollars a yr and hasn't made profit in any yr since its formation back in the 90s.


    The NBA owners association who fund it are basically saying that they've had enough and want the entire league to be restructured, possibly reverting to semi pro.

    How many decades did it take for mens sport to become popular enough to self-sustain a professional structure? The League of Ireland would indicate it still has not happened for professional soccer in this country.

    I'm not suggesting womens sport is on a par (don't think it ever will in some cases), but that various elements around it are improving.


  • Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    How many decades did it take for mens sport to become popular enough to self-sustain a professional structure? The League of Ireland would indicate it still has not happened for professional soccer in this country.

    I'm not suggesting womens sport is on a par (don't think it ever will in some cases), but that various elements around it are improving.

    Just curious but how often do you attend women's sports games yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    redbuck wrote: »
    Just curious but how often do you attend women's sports games yourself?

    Rarely. Went to women's rugby game and the soccer team against the dutch last year. Rare enough I get to a mens event now either unfortunately.

    But the point still stands that participation is improving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'm a big soccer fan, or at least used to be before the kids arrived, and I have tried to watch the odd woman's game.

    The standard is so poor I found it hard to watch. Some girls are great and stand out, but the goalkeepers keep getting lobbed from 50 yards. Shocking standard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I'm a big soccer fan, or at least used to be before the kids arrived, and I have tried to watch the odd woman's game.

    The standard is so poor I found it hard to watch. Some girls are great and stand out, but the goalkeepers keep getting lobbed from 50 yards. Shocking standard.

    I’m surprised they can kick it 50 yards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Womens football is majority just running like headless chickens around the place. There's no tactics or finesse. It's all mad house stuff. Heading the ball is just a case of letting the ball hit their head and hope it goes in the direction they want it to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I'm a big soccer fan, or at least used to be before the kids arrived, and I have tried to watch the odd woman's game.

    The standard is so poor I found it hard to watch. Some girls are great and stand out, but the goalkeepers keep getting lobbed from 50 yards. Shocking standard.
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    I’m surprised they can kick it 50 yards.
    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Womens football is majority just running like headless chickens around the place. There's no tactics or finesse. It's all mad house stuff. Heading the ball is just a case of letting the ball hit their head and hope it goes in the direction they want it to go.

    None of this is changing the fact that women's sport is increasing in popularity.

    Stephanie Roche might debate the 'no finesse' point. ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    None of this is changing the fact that women's sport is increasing in popularity.

    Stephanie Roche might debate the 'no finesse' point. ;)

    As I said earlier, they're sending kids in to fluff the figures to make out like the game is getting more support...probably only doing it for sponsorships.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    As I said earlier, they're sending kids in to fluff the figures to make out like the game is getting more support...probably only doing it for sponsorships.

    If they are sending kids in thats excellent!. Those kids will be more likely to play and attend and coach when they are older, hence the improvement process.

    Also, as I said earlier.
    Womens AFL is in its second season in Australia.
    Manchester united founded a professional womens team just 8 months ago.
    England have awarded their womens team with full professional contracts for the first time just this month.

    Interest is growing. It is a long way from being on the same level as the mens version in each case but it is moving in the right direction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    If they are sending kids in thats excellent!. Those kids will be more likely to play and attend and coach when they are older, hence the improvement process.

    Also, as I said earlier.



    Interest is growing. It is a long way from being on the same level as the mens version in each case but it is moving in the right direction.

    Those things are done more likely because of feminism rather than increased interest. Womens football does not make money, it needs money made by the men to run it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Those things are done more likely because of feminism rather than increased interest. Womens football does not make money, it needs money made by the men to run it.

    Of course. At this stage. It will change I expect.

    As for your first sentence. My niece wants to play football. Is that 7 year old motivated by feminism?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    None of this is changing the fact that women's sport is increasing in popularity.

    Stephanie Roche might debate the 'no finesse' point. ;)

    There are of course exceptions to every rule. Some of the girls are very talented footballers, most are not.

    And don't want to be negative, but SR is famous cos of one great goal. Even I have scored some crackers in my day but I never played for Derry City or any sort of level cos I ain't good enough.

    Didn't SR move abroad and couldn't cut it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    NIMAN wrote: »
    There are of course exceptions to every rule. Some of the girls are very talented footballers, most are not.

    And don't want to be negative, but SR is famous cos of one great goal. Even I have scored some crackers in my day but I never played for Derry City or any sort of level cos I ain't good enough.

    Didn't SR move abroad and couldn't cut it?

    She's in Italy currently but not sure how it's went for her.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    As I said earlier, they're sending kids in to fluff the figures to make out like the game is getting more support...

    Yeah that's always been the case. While there is nothing wrong with bringing all the kids to the matches, it is certainly disingenuous to come out and acclaim what a massive success the matches have been when really you have just used rent-a-crowd. It's disingenuous.

    If you ever listen to the matches it sounds like the audience at an S Club 7 concert.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Yeah that's always been the case. While there is nothing wrong with bringing all the kids to the matches, it is certainly disingenuous to come out and acclaim what a massive success the matches have been when really you have just used rent-a-crowd. It's disingenuous.

    If you ever listen to the matches it sounds like the audience at an S Club 7 concert.

    The womens All-Ireland final is the same. Constant high pitch shriek from all the kids.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Patww79 wrote: »
    The womens All-Ireland final is the same. Constant high pitch shriek from all the kids.

    A lot of clubs get allocated free tickets for the Camogie and LF All Ireland finals. Which in turn leads to bus loads of kids from the club getting a day out. Which is a good thing.

    Hardly anyone pays to attend. I'd imagine it costs the GAA to open the stadium for the day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,675 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.

    This is rugby country....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.

    Positive/Negative of the provinces and national team doing so well at the moment Donie.
    Expect it to get even more attention next week ahead of 6N.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,675 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Positive/Negative of the provinces and national team doing so well at the moment Donie.
    Expect it to get even more attention next week ahead of 6N.

    Suppose it is that time of the year!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Suppose it is that time of the year!

    It’s always that time of the year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Suppose it is that time of the year!
    It’s always that time of the year.

    It's never going to be too far away this year.

    Jan - ERC/Pro 14/6 Nations preview
    Feb - 6 Nations
    Mar - 6 Nations
    Apr - ERC/Pro 14
    May - ERC/Pro 14
    Jun -
    Jul -
    Aug - WC Preview/Pro 14
    Sep - WC Preview/Pro 14
    Oct - WC/Pro 14
    Nov - WC/ERC/Pro 14
    Dec - ERC/Pro 14


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,384 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.

    The official launch for the 6 Nations was on this week so lots of interviews and coverage of that. It'll be pretty rugby heavy for the next 2 months.

    Probably be a bit more GAA as well from now on with the leagues starting this weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Howitzer the 5th


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.

    Rugby is not as mindlessly frequent as it is on 'Game On' which spends swathes of its meagre time (by comparison to OTB) discussing the utterly futile pro-14 as well as other elements of the nouveau riche marketers choice of sporting pursuit. Hugh Cahill's Godfather Donal Lenihan can be 'try'ing but Bernard Jackman's simple witterings pollute the airwaves far too often. The comparison with OTB is of a more proportioned coverage with better contributors like Keith Wood. However it's still intensely frustrating to hear the continual torper surrounding 'Irish rugby' especially via Gilroy or his many mini me's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    https://www.offtheball.com/events/off-ball-show-live-build-cheltenham-association-bulmers-323783
    Barry Murphy from AprMatch will be there alongside Ger Gilroy, Johnny Ward, David Brady, Kate Harrington, Nina Carberry, Oli Bell (ITV Racing Presenter) and Vogue Williams along with LIVE music too

    is vogue williams into the horses???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    She is addicted to publicity, no other reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭gluppers


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Every time I switch on Off The Ball, they seem to be talking about rugby.

    I mean, I know they're not. They cover loads if stuff.

    It just seems like every time I turn it on, they're talking about rugby.


    They know what side their bread is buttered on

    Rugby pays the bills unfortunately


  • Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Dr_serious2


    gluppers wrote: »
    They know what side their bread is buttered on

    Rugby pays the bills unfortunately

    Why is that as a matter of interest? (Not disagreeing, just wondering)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭howareyakid


    An increase in rugby discussion isn’t that unsurprising I suppose. Public interest has never been higher as evidenced by the TV ratings for last year’s Six Nations and All Blacks game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,675 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie



    I like the way they felt obliged to tell us (in brackets) the relevance of the commentator, yet completed neglected to indicate in what possible way Vogue Williams is relevant to a Off The Ball sports show.

    Is it because she's on a travel show with Tommy Bowe? Is that all is takes these days? (Or do they share an agent or something?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    her and Kilbane are DJing after the event for the people there, nothing to do with the actual sports bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,675 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    her and Kilbane are DJing after the event for the people there, nothing to do with the actual sports bit.

    Oh, well then.

    That sounds f*ckin fabulous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    Kevin Kilbane and Vogue Williams.

    going by the stage name KillWill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    I like the way they felt obliged to tell us (in brackets) the relevance of the commentator, yet completed neglected to indicate in what possible way Vogue Williams is relevant to a Off The Ball sports show.

    Is it because she's on a travel show with Tommy Bowe? Is that all is takes these days? (Or do they share an agent or something?)

    I'd say it's purely to attract a different sort of crowd. A wider reach so to speak.
    The outside broadcasts are fast becoming something I wouldn't go to if I got tickets for free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They probably discuss rugby so much on OTB because they also have the rights on TV3 so the more they can keep reminding you about the rugby the more likely you'll want to watch it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,384 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    You have to chuckle at Kimmage's rudeness or abruptness. Whatever you want to call it.

    Himself and Gary O'Toole were doing the papers talking about Joe Schmidt articles today in the build up to the 6 Nations. O'Toole spoke for a couple minutes about one article and was then about to mention another when Kimmage grumpily jumped in.

    "Are you going to let me talk about Joe Schmidt or what?"

    O'Toole meekly "Oh, sorry".

    Made me laugh out loud.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Not the first time Kimmage has had a rip at Neil Francis's writing. I'd agree with PK in this case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    What’s the story with kimmage and O’Toole?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I was wondering who that megabore was, assuming he's the one banging on about northside/southside, Declan Rice and so on like that fella you'd avoid in a pub.

    Off teh Ball can really struggle when it's an international or FA Cup weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I find Kimmage one of these people where his opinion is right and everyone else is wrong. Journalism is about putting an opinion out there and some people agree some disagree. I remember a while back on the paper review he decided the show wasn't going to talk about a certain subject (I cant remember what it was) and Molloy said we have to. Kimmage decided he was making the decisions on what the subject is. Then he decides to say this is "****ing bull****" live on air. The guy is an ego maniac. Its his way or the highway and no one should dare have a different opinion which contradicts the very platforms he sells himself on i.e. differing opinions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jeremyj1968


    I find Kimmage one of these people where his opinion is right and everyone else is wrong.

    In a world where everybody in the media has the same opinion about everything, Kimmage is a breath of fresh air. Most people who are on reviewing the papers are afraid to say a bad word about any of their colleagues. But Kimmage says what he thinks. He is certainly not right all of the time, but at least you know that you are getting his honest opinion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 320 ✭✭WillieMason


    Irish rugby get a free ride they never get criticised compared to the GAA or soccer lads


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 320 ✭✭WillieMason


    humberklog wrote: »
    Not the first time Kimmage has had a rip at Neil Francis's writing. I'd agree with PK in this case.

    Neil Francis is very insecure when it comes to other sports


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I was wondering who that megabore was, assuming he's the one banging on about northside/southside, Declan Rice and so on like that fella you'd avoid in a pub.

    Off teh Ball can really struggle when it's an international or FA Cup weekend.

    I prefer these weekends when they actually discuss more interesting topics in sport or explore something deeper.

    Personally I'd prefer if the newspapers was live every week and there was never more than one live EPL game commentary broadcast on any given Sunday.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    You have to chuckle at Kimmage's rudeness or abruptness. Whatever you want to call it.

    Himself and Gary O'Toole were doing the papers talking about Joe Schmidt articles today in the build up to the 6 Nations. O'Toole spoke for a couple minutes about one article and was then about to mention another when Kimmage grumpily jumped in.

    "Are you going to let me talk about Joe Schmidt or what?"

    O'Toole meekly "Oh, sorry".

    Made me laugh out loud.

    There's a bit of tongue in cheek about them. Later on in the show Joe was reading an article out loud and the camera panned back to them and they were trying not to laugh at something.

    Even the bit were Kimmage was giving out about Francis's article O'Toole wished his old school, and their opponents, well in their game!


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    In a world where everybody in the media has the same opinion about everything, Kimmage is a breath of fresh air. Most people who are on reviewing the papers are afraid to say a bad word about any of their colleagues. But Kimmage says what he thinks. He is certainly not right all of the time, but at least you know that you are getting his honest opinion.

    I am always happy when I turn on OTB on a Sunday and Kimmage is doing the papers. As people have said, most of the contributors to this segment are quite dull and never say a bad word about anything that's written as they probably know all the other journalists. With Kimmage, you get the sense that he doesn't care. His contributions are always whole hearted and worth listening to even if like his attack on Dublin last year (or the year before) are silly and ill informed.

    However, there is a side to Kimmage that is not very nice. It's clear he has a massive ego and the bull**** he perpetuates (all the time!) about suffering for his craft is grating. I find a lot of his stuff in the Sindo of late are just Q and As or rehashed quotes which he always manages to portray as works of art he has agonised over for weeks. I think a lot of his BS is self serving in that regard.

    That and the fact that he is quite clearly a bully. His background as the guy who spat in the cycling soup and became a pariah in the sport and then his training in old school journalism have created a really objectionable and bullying personality. His arrogance at times in telling Joe Molloy he is not doing his job right and outright bullying him live on air is an expression of the culture he has been a part of and probably his personality.

    While I do like listening to him, I don't like him.


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