Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

jeremyj1968

Yeah I thought that interaction between Joe and Gary Neville was a bit odd as well. I thought it was a bit arrogant of Gary neville to try to taking over the asking of the questions, given that he was a paid guest. But I thought that Joe should have just let him ask the question, and let the audience see his petty "pulling of rank" move for what it was, rather than try to arm wrestle him for the privilege.

deisedude

We all know pr1cks like Neville who always have to have the last word and think they are witty but they are just an asshole

u140acro3xs7dm

deisedude wrote: »

We all know pr1cks like Neville who always have to have the last word and think they are witty but they are just an asshole

I'm fairness, everyone turned up to listen to Keane and Neville, not Joe.

RugbyLover123

Giselle Future Blouse wrote: »

I'm fairness, everyone turned up to listen to Keane and Neville, not Joe.

Exactly, but that’s what Joe and Dan had been doing during the interview, they just let Roy at it, it was just this instance that Joe intervened and tbf should’ve let Neville asked his question. But there was absolute no need for Neville’s reaction.

Something that also I haven’t seen mentioned was Roy’s comments on Kenny Cunningham. I’d say that out Joe in an uncomfortable position. I like Kenny on the show so it’ll be interesting to see what he’s to say!

NIMAN

Why did 2 guests need 2 interviewers?

Surely one would have been sufficient?

the guy on the left is zero craic. See the face on him for most of it, cold, dead-pan.

gormdubhgorm

siblers wrote: »

What he said about Walters regarding his personal life seemed to be largely taken out of context. I'll need to listen to the whole thing but seemed it was about Walter's bitching about Keane that he was having a dig at and not about Walter's family

I watched the whole thing to see what the fuss was about, and so the words are not taken in isolation.
I think you have it spot on Keane mentioned the family situation more as a throw-away part of his answer meaning is was all over the media He then mentioned numerous times that Walters should have 'laid low'

The 'crying on tv about his family situation' clearly makes a more sensational headline for the journalists though. Which is understandable.

I thought the dynamic of the whole thing was odd most questions Neville were asked were about 'Roy Keane' most of the time. With Keane sitting beside him.
It seemed very odd.
If the English are guilty of fawning over Gary Neville - surely the same accusation can surely be leveled to the Irish media's treatment of Roy Keane?
The more than a footballer persona/myth etc.

Jayesdiem

NIMAN wrote: »

Why did 2 guests need 2 interviewers?

Surely one would have been sufficient?

the guy on the left is zero craic. See the face on him for most of it, cold, dead-pan.

Meet Joe. The most politically correct, moralistic and virtuous member of the OTB team. That is quiet a feat let me tell you.

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I watched the whole thing to see what the fuss was about, and so the words are not taken in isolation.
I think you have it spot on Keane mentioned the family situation more as a throw-away part of his answer meaning is was all over the media He then mentioned numerous times that Walters should have 'laid low'

The 'crying on tv about his family situation' clearly makes a more sensational headline for the journalists though. Which is understandable.

I thought the dynamic of the whole thing was odd most questions Neville were asked were about 'Roy Keane' most of the time. With Keane sitting beside him.
It seemed very odd.
If the English are guilty of fawning over Gary Neville - surely the same accusation can surely be leveled to the Irish media's treatment of Roy Keane?
The more than a footballer persona/myth etc.

Not just the media.
The crowd breaking into 'Keano', 'Keano', 'Keano' was a bit much.

Given how much Keane said about his view of modern players, and how he rates a player based on their medal haul, I'd have liked to see Nathan or Joe asked him if he could see how that would be a problem for him being considered for managerial roles.

Can't imagine a squad full of players who would buy in to this in todays game.

holyhead

The way Keane turned on the presenter over Walters was fascinating and telling. I’ll be amazed having watched the 2 hours if he gets a club management position in the future.

gormdubhgorm

holyhead wrote: »

The way Keane turned on the presenter over Walters was fascinating and telling. I’ll be amazed having watched the 2 hours if he gets a club management position in the future.

I would say most championship level teams in England and downward would still take him. Especially if they wanted to get a bit of profile for thier club. Even though Keane said he hates watching it.

In Ireland Cork City is not an option, because Neale Fenn just got that job.

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I would say most championship level teams in England and downward would still take him. Especially if they wanted to get a bit of profile for thier club. Even though Keane said he hates watching it.

In Ireland Cork City is not an option, because Neale Fenn just got that job.

He spoke very strongly about moving back to Ireland.
I got the feeling early on in the piece that he was very much angling for the Irish job in future. CAn't remember now if he ruled it out and said he'd prefer a club job.
Interestingly, there was no comment made or questions asked about the shenanigans going on in the FAI.

u140acro3xs7dm

Tell me how wrote: »

He spoke very strongly about moving back to Ireland.
I got the feeling early on in the piece that he was very much angling for the Irish job in future. CAn't remember now if he ruled it out and said he'd prefer a club job.
Interestingly, there was no comment made or questions asked about the shenanigans going on in the FAI.

They briefly tried to bring up the FAI, and Keane brushed it off. Maybe there was an agreement before hand, Newstalk are owned by DOB, good mates with JD. Both are fond of using their legal team.

ghostdancer

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

That’s very harsh from Neville if it was only that 1 instance. He came across very arrogant in that exchange with Joe I felt.

I think if OTB planned on going down the road on Ireland and spending an amount of time on it, I don’t think they should’ve got Neville to come on. I remember thinking at one stage it was ages since Neville had spoke. He must have been dying to talk which is why he reacted to Joe the way he did.

or maybe, like when he did actually cut in, he had little to say.
He kept on jumping in with little comments and quips and then giggling away to himself but little of it had any substance.

Talking about himself was fine, but him trying to jump in to Keane's conversation killed it at a few times, and if it had been a one-on-one with Joe and Keane, it would have been much more insightful IMO.

the worst was Keane talking away about something, and Neville jumped in with "You know, I was so calm when I was in Pret-A-Manger this morning hahaha". Yeah, thanks for that Gary, great contribution :rolleyes: Can we get back to what Roy was saying/ranting about now?

JoeA3

I thought Neville came across worse than Keane tbh. That interaction with Joe was cringeworthy, he made a complete tool of himself. And then giggling like a 4 year old girl at stuff Keane was saying that wasn't even that funny... my god, that squeaky laugh :mad:

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

Obviously we know these guys live on a different planet to most of us in terms of money. But I felt all that talk about Villas in Spain/Portugal not being up to scratch and 5k fines being "small change" (or words to that effect) just served to highlight how far removed Keane/Neville and their ilk are from us mere mortals. A real arrogance about it that I didn't like.

Chalk McHugh

Never liked Keane. To me he comes across as a horrible person. A nasty bully. I wouldn't waste my time listening to him speak but have enjoyed the comments on here about the interview.

Tell me how

JoeA3 wrote: »

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

I thought it was a bit ironic to mention a certain player living off scoring a goal against Holland for 20 years while also talking about a lot of things which happened 15-20 years ago.

This is another example where you'd think an ad visor would point out the conflict with a lot of what he says and how it will impede him going back in to management.

rrs

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I would say most championship level teams in England and downward would still take him. Especially if they wanted to get a bit of profile for thier club. Even though Keane said he hates watching it.

In Ireland Cork City is not an option, because Neale Fenn just got that job.

I don't think they would. Its 8 years since he last managed at Ipswich.. He might get a lower Championship team club or maybe not.. You don't hear his name being in the frame for jobs..
The way the Ireland spell ended won't have helped, d and himself and O Neill weren't liked by the players in the short stint at Forrest.

gormdubhgorm

JoeA3 wrote: »

I've been a big fan of Keane over the years at his no nonsense straight talking approach but I felt the tone of this interview felt all wrong. A nasty bitter tone to a lot of the stuff he was saying. It's 14 years since he left United, maybe its time to let it go.

Tell me how wrote: »

I thought it was a bit ironic to mention a certain player living off scoring a goal against Holland for 20 years while also talking about a lot of things which happened 15-20 years ago.

This is another example where you'd think an ad visor would point out the conflict with a lot of what he says and how it will impede him going back in to management.

In fairness to Keane though he was asked about his views on Ferguson - all his most recent dealings with Ferguson were 14 years ago - he was also asked about Siapan by Joe who attempted to try and get the 'how were you feeling' angle. (which fell a bit flat)

Keane has not changed his view on Ferguson he did not like the 'manner' he was told to leave - the club gave him a prepared statement etc - rather than saying you can leave in January etc. Keane said he would have said fair enough to that.

Also his reaction to the Siapan question was here we go again - sick of talking about it - but he spoke about it quickly and humoured Joe.

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Keane is an anathema to everything OTB tries to portray as a station - they like to say all the right things, be politically correct, not say what they really think for the most part. Joe Molloy - Kevin Kilbane in particular.

I think Roy is what OTB as a show is really lacking someone with forthright opinions, who does not care about political correctness, who calls things as he sees it. His comments about SAF and Preston seemed very valid

It always amazes me that there are people out there who, if they have kind or empathic ideas (say, acknowledging mental health awareness, or not being a dick to women) a small minority of people think that it's an insincere or contrived outlook.

I think the lads on OTB are all very forthright. I believe they do call things as they see them -- it's just that they have a different opinion to you.

That implies that maybe you just dislike them because they have a different outlook.

I don't know what Keane's politics are, but I actually do like him. It's just a hunch, but I reckon he'd have a few choice words for people who act the dick towards others for ideological reasons. Keane's never struck me as a bleeding heart, but I doubt he's a Conservative.

gormdubhgorm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It always amazes me that there are people out there who, if they have kind or empathic ideas (say, acknowledging mental health awareness, or not being a dick to women) a small minority of people think that it's an insincere or contrived outlook.

I think the lads on OTB are all very forthright. I believe they do call things as they see them -- it's just that they have a different opinion to you.

That implies that maybe you just dislike them because they have a different outlook.

I don't know what Keane's politics are, but I actually do like him. It's just a hunch, but I reckon he'd have a few choice words for people who act the dick towards others for ideological reasons. Keane's never struck me as a bleeding heart, but I doubt he's a Conservative.

I think you are missing my underlying point, there is no real alternative viewpoint on OTB it is all very samey.
Oh great point x, thank you y, z agrees.

Even if you look at this site why has it survived so long?
It is viewed as a antiquated form of media by some younger generations.
But it provides contrary opinion it stimulates debate.

There just does not seem to be that in OTB. How often is there real genuine contrary opinion?
Which is why the Keane interview has caused so much controversy someone who actually has alternate viewpoints and shoots from the hip.
Not 'playing as devils advocate' actually saying what he thinks.

As for my contrived outlook comment yes I think that is true for Ger Gilroy in particular. I always get the sense that he just want to be the smug right person, who is full of self important faux gravitas.
He seems a lot like Gary Neville in that way.
If you watch the bit where Gary Neville says first says 'my time in Valencia' making his 'serious' point. Some of the crowd start laughing Gary is uncomfortable and keeps going.
That would never have happened in England. The audience would pander to him in the UK (for the most-part) he is Gary Neville.
From this point of view it was also interesting to see others comments online, who have not viewed Joe/Nathan before and are from outside Ireland. It is a vastly different viewpoint/mindset.

If you think most people in the media are 'forthright' why is there public relations, marketing, spin? Why do only certain programmes get viewed by the same people? It is because the people the programme is aimed at largely agree with the comments, then it leads to a groupthink.
Who is the advertising aimed at who are the target audience? Largely the same group of people.
It is much safer these days to sound the same, to have the homogeneous view. To be careful toe the party line, or at least appear to.

As I said before I am not a fan of Keane, but at least he says what he thinks.But he makes people think about thier viewpoints, gives an alternative view, in the same way that you are giving an alternate view to mine.
Maybe it is the minority group you might have a point there, but on the other hand that might only be the minority within a certain demographic or target audience.

This would be a really boring conversation if we agreed with each other.
I can say maybe you have a point about xyz, but not abc.

OTB has just become largely like those morning breakfast shows where the female host giggles/ agrees/laughs at everything the male host says. (Whether it is funny or true).
Which is why the Keane OTB roadshow got so much traction it was opinion honestly given, and different to the majority.

Abel Ruiz

JoeA3 wrote: »

I thought Neville came across worse than Keane tbh. That interaction with Joe was cringeworthy, he made a complete tool of himself. And then giggling like a 4 year old girl at stuff Keane was saying that wasn't even that funny... my god, that squeaky laugh :mad:
.

I think joe made a fool of himself.
Why did he have to get a question in, instead of letting Neville ramble on?
Joe should have laughed it off and let Gary speak.
But instead wanted to butt in and be rude.

The one time joe should have interrupted, is when Roy slagged Kenny Cunningham.
But he wouldnt dare interrupt/debate Roy.

Irishdaywalker

I did enjoy listening to the interview, there was one point during the interview where keane talks about "not being fooled by SAF man management" when he got rid of bruce, robson etc.

But earlier in the interview he talks about man management being one of SAF strengths ! Now, i could be wrong on this but i remember thinking at the time that he contradicted himself, but he did say in the interview that he was a "walking contradiction"

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think you are missing my underlying point, there is no real alternative viewpoint on OTB it is all very samey.
Oh great point x, thank you y, z agrees.

........

OTB has just become largely like those morning breakfast shows where the female host giggles/ agrees/laughs at everything the male host says. (Whether it is funny or true).
Which is why the Keane OTB roadshow got so much traction it was opinion honestly given, and different to the majority.

OTB is a sports radio show. Is it really supposed to be a bastion of opposing views? In what way?
Paul Kimmage has been on the show a lot and he certainly has fairly forthright views in many areas. David Brady has strong opinions.

Eoin Sheehan often disagrees with Ger Gilroy on topics on the morning show.

I do notice that Ewan Mackenna hasn't been near the place since he was on pouring water on Irish rugby celebrations but he hasn't been appearing on other Irish media to discuss that topic either. There are some areas where there isn't really a market for negativity even though it can have a basis in reality.

jeremyj1968

Thought that Walters came across quite well with his response to Keane on that YouTube show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JucrEtXZ5DA

jeremyj1968

I heard Wooly's podcast about Brolly and Whelan the other night and it was like a breath of fresh air compared to OTB. He basically got stuck in to everybody, not shackled by the political correctness and not in fear of his life of offending somebody. Always enjoyed him on OTB, and his own show is very entertaining.

He had a right go at Brolly last week, and criticised Whelan for his 180 on the Clifford decision. Cant wait for his next podcast after the Brolly call to David Gough.

Tell me how

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I heard Wooly's podcast about Brolly and Whelan the other night and it was like a breath of fresh air compared to OTB. He basically got stuck in to everybody, not shackled by the political correctness and not in fear of his life of offending somebody. Always enjoyed him on OTB, and his own show is very entertaining.

He had a right go at Brolly last week, and criticised Whelan for his 180 on the Clifford decision. Cant wait for his next podcast after the Brolly call to David Gough.

Yeah, Wooly is good for the bit of getting the heckles up.

aodomhnaill

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, Wooly is good for the bit of getting the heckles up.

Wooly was a great loss to Off The Ball. Very badly mistreated, by Joe and Ger and their sidekicks. Almost bullied into being the class clown on radio every night, humiliating stuff, although had a great insight into sports all round. He was new to it and either took it in the ass for a while or was just naive and an all round piss take, I'd say he looks back and cringes at what he had to endure from his co-hosts. What exactly was the fall out or his reasons for leaving?

Ahwell

aodomhnaill wrote: »

Very badly mistreated, by Joe and Ger and their sidekicks. Almost bullied into being the class clown on radio every night, humiliating stuff, although had a great insight into sports all round. He was new to it and either took it in the ass for a while or was just naive and an all round piss take, I'd say he looks back and cringes at what he had to endure from his co-hosts. What exactly was the fall out or his reasons for leaving?

What? You must be a very sensitive soul to have that take of his time at OTB. None of that happened. I'm guessing Wooly left in a strop, because that's what he does. Or maybe he just got a better offer.

aodomhnaill

Ahwell wrote: »

I'm guessing Wooly left in a strop, because that's what he does. Or maybe he just got a better offer.

So in other words, you haven’t a breeze. Guessing and maybe’s...thanks for your insight.

He left after a falling out and it was very sudden and they still have regular spats on Twitter, this much is true, I was looking for details of which you’ve zero so maybe the maybes and the guesses aren’t really worthwhile?

Chalk McHugh

Yes, i really enjoy Wooly and the GAA Hour. During the championship it's 4 good shows per week, two hurling and two football. I never miss it. Some good guests, also, my favourite being Cheddar Plunkett, a better hurling analyst you will struggle to find. Bravo all round. Top podcast.

Ahwell

aodomhnaill wrote: »

So in other words, you haven’t a breeze. Guessing and maybe’s...thanks for your insight.

Well, it's more insightful than that nonsense you posted above.

The reasons are not in the public domain, so demanding only people who know what happened need reply is pointless.

Tell me how

aodomhnaill wrote: »

So in other words, you haven’t a breeze. Guessing and maybe’s...thanks for your insight.

He left after a falling out and it was very sudden and they still have regular spats on Twitter, this much is true, I was looking for details of which you’ve zero so maybe the maybes and the guesses aren’t really worthwhile?

I wouldn't be surprised if he left after having lined up the new gig, he was put on gardening leave iirc which may have been normal given he was starting a new show so maybe there was no falling out as such.

Also, they aren't really having spats on twitter, Wooly does reference the show from time to time but I don't think anyone from it has responded back to him (maybe I am wrong).

The last significant reference to them was the Mayo ladies football strike when he had Peter Leahy on and OTB had Cora Staunton. He mentioned the show a lot then but it was all him doing the mentioning.

monstermag

Is it any wonder that the gaa lads are gagged. if they said anything even slightly controversial they'd be hung drawn and quartered by the very same hacks who complain about lack of access.

Chalk McHugh

Rumours in the Irish Sun that Brolly could be gone for
good and that it has been coming for a while. His poor manners and annoying habit of butting in on his fellow pundits looks to have finally caught up with him. Bye Joe!

jeremyj1968

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

His poor manners and annoying habit of butting in on his fellow pundits looks to have finally caught up with him. Bye Joe!

This has annoyed me for years. He would never behave the same way in court, but thinks that it's alright to behave absolutely obnoxiously in studio.

He made a complete idiot of himself last week. And compounded it by then coming out and admitting he was wrong on ALL of the things he so adamantly defended on Sunday. It's sort of worrying that a barrister, who is supposedly a very learned man who is good with the books, does not even understand the GAA rule book. If I was looking at hiring a barrister, I think I would be worried about his attention to detail.

Chalk McHugh

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

This has annoyed me for years. He would never behave the same way in court, but thinks that it's alright to behave absolutely obnoxiously in studio.

He made a complete idiot of himself last week. And compounded it by then coming out and admitting he was wrong on ALL of the things he so adamantly defended on Sunday. It's sort of worrying that a barrister, who is supposedly a very learned man who is good with the books, does not even understand the GAA rule book. If I was looking at hiring a barrister, I think I would be worried about his attention to detail.

He must be a nightmare to share a studio panel with. I doubt his fellow pundits will be too disappointed if he's axed for good. And certainly not Joanne Cantwel. Yes, he can be entertaining and humorous but he cannot help himself talking over people and basically taking over the show and his lack of basic manners has always been a turn off.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

OTB is a sports radio show. Is it really supposed to be a bastion of opposing views? In what way?
Paul Kimmage has been on the show a lot and he certainly has fairly forthright views in many areas. David Brady has strong opinions.

Eoin Sheehan often disagrees with Ger Gilroy on topics on the morning show.

I do notice that Ewan Mackenna hasn't been near the place since he was on pouring water on Irish rugby celebrations but he hasn't been appearing on other Irish media to discuss that topic either. There are some areas where there isn't really a market for negativity even though it can have a basis in reality.

There are a number of issues with this post. I am not saying that someone should have an opposing view on everything like a referendum.
I mean another individual or two who has a different outlook to the others.
You say it is a sports show. But there are many occasions where there can be different viewpoints on the a sports issue. Invariably it leads to discussions outside the realm of sports (just associated with it) then they all have the same general 'world view'. I find it telling that you seem to think of any criticism as negative. There is also positive ciritism as well to counteract negative critisim as you yourself admit to do on this thread. As you think there is enough negativity in the world.

But if you look back to some issues where OTB themselves were negative in thier criticism there was no one there to give the positive counterbalance.
Cork fans were painted as ignorant or racist for the use of rebel flags.
There was no counterbalance then.
There was plenty of times where Micky Harte is/was slagged off/sneered at for using prayer and religion with his players.
There was no counter balance in response to this.

Of the people mentioned I will agree with you on Eoin Sheehan he pulled up Ger on his darts comments. Eoin also tried to create a bit of controversy (obviously for the craic) by saying no English players would get into the Irish team in rugby.

Of the other names you mentioned David Brady?
The fella is completely incoherent and just makes things up as he goes along for the sake of noise. He does not even seem to be knowledgeable of the sport he is supposed to be expert in. And he has mentioned when his comments sound silly in hindsight (Tyrone Dublin 2017 SF)- 'ah sure you have to have the craic with it'

Paul Kimmage is forthright in many areas? I think he is a one trick pony, cycling-drugs, drugs-cycling. Then when he goes on about any other area he seems 'found out' with his lack of knowledge. He mostly speaks in generalities outside his area of expertise -cycling - cycling and drugs.
The independent allows him to write long, rambling self-indulgent articles, about everything and anything. His interviews are always transcribed word for word, and could do with some serious editing.

Ewan McKenna - strangely I think he would be good if he toned down his rhetoric and hyperbole a bit. But I think that train has left the station.

Tell me how

^^^

I don't know gormdubhgorm, there's 4 cases in my post which outline counter opinions heard on the show and you largely discount them (Brady, Kimmage, MacKenna). I think it is subjective whether or not something is treated reasonably or not. You cant just say 'Oh I disagree with those people so they need different people to present a balanced view'

I listen to the show a lot and can't say I heard Cork Fans or Mickey Harte being discussed as a topic, simply that they were mentioned in passing (i could be wrong). Is it reasonable to expect every point will be met with pro and opposing voices? If they had brought on a priest to validate Harte's position, I would bet a significant sum the show would have been lambasted here for being too PC.


Also once more, this line, 'I find it telling that you seem to think of any criticism as negative.' Why is it people get so aggrieved with their points being queried on a discussion board? I've mentioned several times there's things about the show I'm not a fan of, they never seem to be noted, but once again, I'm asked to defend why I disagree with a view. I do find that very curious at this point.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

^^^
Also once more, this line, 'I find it telling that you seem to think of any criticism as negative.' Why is it people get so aggrieved with their points being queried on a discussion board? I've mentioned several times there's things about the show I'm not a fan of, they never seem to be noted, but once again, I'm asked to defend why I disagree with a view. I do find that very curious at this point.

Because at this stage it is like the irish seanfhocail - 'An rud is annamh is iontach.'
'What is rare is wonderful.'
90% percent of the time if a poster says anything even approaching negativity against OTB - you seem to appear like batman - to defend the cause.
If that is what you want to do fair enough, you like the show as is your entitlement if you want to defend it.
There are other posters on the other end of the scale who only jump on anything when OTB make a mistake, or even a perceived mistake.

I still don't listen to the show, and the only reason I heard about the roadshow thing was because there were Keane comments in the newspapers all over the place.
So I was curious and went looking for the source of the comments.
So I watched it and thought Keane would be ideal for a football show segement every so often on OTB.
Better than listening to Giles/Kilbane.

Personally I think OTB needs a shake up at this stage I looked at the JNLR figures and OTB Was 54,000 now 51,000 listeners. Down 3,000.

Ivan Yates seems to be the main man for Newstalk now

https://www.thejournal.ie/jnlr-figures-3-4748744-Aug2019/

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because at this stage it is like the irish seanfhocail - 'An rud is annamh is iontach.'
'What is rare is wonderful.'
90% percent of the time if a poster says anything even approaching negativity against OTB - you seem to appear like batman - to defend the cause.
If that is what you want to do fair enough, you like the show as is your entitlement if you want to defend it.
There are other posters on the other end of the scale who only jump on anything when OTB make a mistake, or even a perceived mistake.

I still don't listen to the show, and the only reason I heard about the roadshow thing was because there were Keane comments in the newspapers all over the place.
So I was curious and went looking for the source of the comments.
So I watched it and thought Keane would be ideal for a football show segement every so often on OTB.
Better than listening to Giles/Kilbane.

Personally I think OTB needs a shake up at this stage I looked at the JNLR figures and OTB Was 54,000 now 51,000 listeners. Down 3,000.

Ivan Yates seems to be the main man for Newstalk now

https://www.thejournal.ie/jnlr-figures-3-4748744-Aug2019/

90% of the time? You mean I'm missing some? Will have to up my game.

Honestly, the amount you've posted in the last week, I'm very surprised you then say 'You still don't listen to the show'

Hard to know how you can say everything that is wrong with it, when you don't listen. I mean, they could have had a series of people supporting counter positions but now you're saying you don't listen.

Anyway, let's leave it for now, we had a good debate for a few days about the whole Keane thing, not looking to get back in to tit for tat but will continue to counter points as I feel appropriate.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

90% of the time? You mean I'm missing some? Will have to up my game.

Honestly, the amount you've posted in the last week, I'm very surprised you then say 'You still don't listen to the show'

Hard to know how you can say everything that is wrong with it, when you don't listen. I mean, they could have had a series of people supporting counter positions but now you're saying you don't listen.

Anyway, let's leave it for now, we had a good debate for a few days about the whole Keane thing, not looking to get back in to tit for tat but will continue to counter points as I feel appropriate.

I only put on the radio in the car going to croke park and they were on about the match. Watched the roadshow because of the Keane comments wanted to see what the fuss was.
But the fundamental problems of the sameness of the show remain for me.
There are not many 'counterpoints' on the show itself.
In fact the debate on this thread gets far more lively than the OTB show ever seems to get - the Keane show was the exception that even drew me in.
But besides that it is telling there is not much life in it.

Ahwell

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Personally I think OTB needs a shake up at this stage I looked at the JNLR figures and OTB Was 54,000 now 51,000 listeners. Down 3,000.

That 3,000 isn't that significant, there is a 3% margin of error in any case. You might dislike aspects of the show, which is your prerogative, I much preferred old versions of OTB - but ratings-wise the show is doing absolutely fine. It is by far the most listened to radio program in that time slot, the only independent show that beats RTE radio in any time slot, has over twice as many listeners as any of it's competitors at that time of night and has maintain that position for over a decade.

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't I think I put on the radio in the car going to croke park and they were on about the match. Watched the roadshow because of the Keane comments wanted to see what the fuss was.
But the fundamental problems of the sameness of the show remain for me.
There are not many 'counterpoints' on the show itself.
In fact the debate on this thread gets far more lively than the OTB show ever seems to get - the Keane show was the exception that even drew me in.
But besides that it is telling there is not much life in it.

But what other radio sports show could you say has more life to it? And again, what is normal as such?

It was interesting last night, the Irish game was on 2FM and on Newstalk and on Newstalk they spent most of it talking about some borderline acceptable joke Stuart Byrne (co-commentator) said live on air in the first half.

Would be a safe bet that that was more 'lively' than on the 2FM commentary.

hawley

Ahwell wrote: »

That 3,000 isn't that significant, there is a 3% margin of error in any case. You might dislike aspects of the show, which is your prerogative, I much preferred old versions of OTB - but ratings-wise the show is doing absolutely fine. It is by far the most listened to radio program in that time slot, the only independent show that beats RTE radio in any time slot, has over twice as many listeners as any of it's competitors at that time of night and has maintain that position for over a decade.

Their YouTube channel is an excellent way of catching up on any pieces that you miss or if you only interested in hearing analysis of selected sports. It's very well organised. Even if they have a slight drop on the live radio figures, I'd say that they've seen massive increases on YouTube. Only annoying aspect is that the comment section is overrun with British people having a go at Irish rugby and soccer teams. This influx happened right after Eoin's comments on the English rugby team during the Six Nations.

jeremyj1968

Wooly has a podcast up this evening, gonna listen to it in the morning.

monstermag

Was pee gate ever covered on OTB?

Tell me how

monstermag wrote: »

Was pee gate ever covered on OTB?

Yes

Tell me how

David Meyler another long play interview worth listening to.
Another career blighted by injury for significant parts.

Didn't know he was so big in to computer gaming.

monstermag

Tell me how wrote: »

Yes

Is it a nothing to see here sort of a thing?

monstermag

Tell me how wrote: »

David Meyler another long play interview worth listening to.
Another career blighted by injury for significant parts.

Didn't know he was so big in to computer gaming.

I haven't heard that particular interview, l must catch up on it. Seen him covering the friendly the other night on RTE, came across really well, seems a likable type of lad.