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Muscles Schultz

Jayesdiem wrote: »

What topics?

BLM, BAME managers, Feminist managers, alt right, Trump, virtue signal....virtue signal....

Usual gamut of wokedness.

They needed to send a fleet of waaaambulances to deal with it !

Tell me how

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

BLM, BAME managers, Feminist managers, alt right, Trump, virtue signal....virtue signal....

Usual gamut of wokedness.

They needed to send a fleet of waaaambulances to deal with it !

Have you seen what is going on in the world right now?
Everyone, everywhere is talking about these issues.

I mean, even on this thread, people are offended at the though of gambling in sports while some people are negatively impacted by it.

Some people are offended that darts was spoken about in a derogatory manner.

Would you say that falls in to the usual gamut of wokedness?

Chalk McHugh

Jayesdiem wrote: »

What topics?

Bit of nonsense on the scumbag fight. Some horse racing which i dont like. Some premier league restarting stuff and other stuff i can barely remember. It was more the two guests, Hector and Cliona Foley that were mind numbingly boring. Hector of all people? Whats he doing near a sports paper review?

Jayesdiem

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

BLM, BAME managers, Feminist managers, alt right, Trump, virtue signal....virtue signal....

Usual gamut of wokedness.

They needed to send a fleet of waaaambulances to deal with it !

Oh Christ. Thanks for the warning, that’s not an episode for me!

Jayesdiem

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you seen what is going on in the world right now?
Everyone, everywhere is talking about these issues.

You’re right. Everyone, everywhere. All the more reason to talk about sport on a sports show and give us all a break from Covid, George Floyd and felled statues. But as you are one of the woke crowd yourself, I wouldn’t expect you to agree.

Muscles Schultz

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you seen what is going on in the world right now?
Everyone, everywhere is talking about these issues.

I mean, even on this thread, people are offended at the though of gambling in sports while some people are negatively impacted by it.

Some people are offended that darts was spoken about in a derogatory manner.

Would you say that falls in to the usual gamut of wokedness?

Are you disgusted by the gambling and darts?

Muscles Schultz

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Oh Christ. Thanks for the warning, that’s not an episode for me!

There might have been a bit of TERF bashing as well for good measure.

Tell me how

Jayesdiem wrote: »

You’re right. Everyone, everywhere. All the more reason to talk about sport on a sports show and give us all a break from Covid, George Floyd and felled statues. But as you are one of the woke crowd yourself, I wouldn’t expect you to agree.

You don't care about Kinahan murdering innocent people, I'm not exactly expecting to see you on a march any day soon.

The world of sport and real life events and personalities continually overlaps, it makes it much more interesting to discuss ways in which this happens.

Ahwell

Jayesdiem wrote: »

You’re right. Everyone, everywhere. All the more reason to talk about sport on a sports show and give us all a break from Covid, George Floyd and felled statues. .

What utter nonsense. How could you possibly discuss the "behind closed doors" return of the Premier League without also discussing Covid? Premier League players' names will be replaced on the back of their shirts with 'Black Lives Matter' for the first 12 matches of the restarted season, making it a sports story.

Jayesdiem

Tell me how wrote: »

You don't care about Kinahan murdering innocent people.

Never said that. I don’t know enough about any of it to comment.

Tell me how

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

Are you disgusted by the gambling and darts?

Darts? Absolutely not, we talk about football hooligans, racing snobs, rugby fan stereotypes, GAA fans etc in loose presumptive terms pretty frequently and people understand the context in which those comments are being made.

On the gambling, I would much rather it wasn't so closely aligned with sports and did email the show before saying I used to switch off during the 'experts tips' from the boylesports guy simply because it was waffle. But I also know that a lot of people can gamble without it developing in to an issue and so I can see that side of it.

Higgins5473

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you seen what is going on in the world right now?
Everyone, everywhere is talking about these issues.

I mean, even on this thread, people are offended at the though of gambling in sports while some people are negatively impacted by it.

Some people are offended that darts was spoken about in a derogatory manner.

Would you say that falls in to the usual gamut of wokedness?

It’s hard to avoid it, agreed. But it was excessive, more to the point the standard of discussion was from Hector and Clíodhna was horrific. She’s bad any on given day but seems to do some preparation to cover over the cracks of her ineptitude and mind numbing commentary but this Hector fella, it seemed he just logged into whatever platform they were using to communicate with zero research and columns read and started shooting his mouth off about all sorts of nonsense and was utterly clueless about anything Joe asked his sporting opinion on. I think he was attempting comedy at times. It was embarrassing stuff from both of them.

bossdrum

I used to enjoy OTB but recently it has become almost unlistenable.

Richie McCormack was virtue signalling at the highest order regarding the death of George Floyd a couple of weeks ago.
It's a pity he doesn't share some sympathy on air for the tragic deaths in the nursing homes in Ireland even though neither belong in a sports show.

The 10 or 11 John Mitchels GAA clubs should also start thinking about getting new headed stationery if these guys have their way.

The panel wanted a statue for Michael D Higgins who just so happens to be a sympathiser for a former dictator and they have no problem with the statue in Offaly of Obama even though the amount of bombs dropped during his presidency dwarfed the amount dropped by that warmonger Bush.

They wanted to 'correct' the amount of BAME managers in the league because it is too low but seem to have no problem with the amount of BAME players as that is over represented.

Regarding Kinehan, I don't know much about him but I didn't hear much outrage from OTB when Denis O'Brien was paying most of Trappatoni's wages to the FAI.
Mr O'Briens transgressions are in the open and founded by Tribunal but as he is also their boss it seems such virtue can be silenced when their wages are at stake.

Muscles Schultz

bossdrum wrote: »

I used to enjoy OTB but recently it has become almost unlistenable.

Richie McCormack was virtue signalling at the highest order regarding the death of George Floyd a couple of weeks ago.
It's a pity he doesn't share some sympathy on air for the tragic deaths in the nursing homes in Ireland even though neither belong in a sports show.

The 10 or 11 John Mitchels GAA clubs should also start thinking about getting new headed stationery if these guys have their way.

The panel wanted a statue for Michael D Higgins who just so happens to be a sympathiser for a former dictator and they have no problem with the statue in Offaly of Obama even though the amount of bombs dropped during his presidency dwarfed the amount dropped by that warmonger Bush.

They wanted to 'correct' the amount of BAME managers in the league because it is too low but seem to have no problem with the amount of BAME players as that is over represented.

Regarding Kinehan, I don't know much about him but I didn't hear much outrage from OTB when Denis O'Brien was paying most of Trappatoni's wages to the FAI.
Mr O'Briens transgressions are in the open and founded by Tribunal but as he is also their boss it seems such virtue can be silenced when their wages are at stake.

Usual OTB defender in 3.....2......1.......

My name is URL

Tuned in for a minute earlier and they were talking about statues so I instantly changed channel

Jayesdiem

Fck me, did any conversations about actual sport break out at all today? There was more virtue signalling nonsense (unbelievably of a sporting variety) yesterday when they refused to include Sean Kelly, arguably Ireland’s greatest ever cyclist, on the County Waterford Mount Rushmore things they’ve been doing. You see to keep up with his European competitors, it is thought that Sean took a substance or two in an effort to ensure he didn’t fade in obscurity in the cycling pecking order. Oddly, their regular contributor Paul Kimmage also engaged in such behaviour but is nonetheless welcomed on the show with open arms on a regular basis, ironically, to talk about that very topic. Even more ironically, it’s all he ever talks about. The man eats, drinks, sleeps, breathes doping.

Chalk McHugh

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Fck me, did any conversations about actual sport break out at all today? There was more virtue signalling nonsense (unbelievably of a sporting variety) yesterday when they refused to include Sean Kelly, arguably Ireland’s greatest ever cyclist, on the County Waterford Mount Rushmore things they’ve been doing. You see to keep up with his European competitors, it is thought that Sean took a substance or two in an effort to ensure he didn’t fade in obscurity in the cycling pecking order. Oddly, their regular contributor Paul Kimmage also engaged in such behaviour but is nonetheless welcomed on the show with open arms on a regular basis, ironically, to talk about that very topic. Even more ironically, it’s all he ever talks about. The man eats, drinks, sleeps, breathes doping.

Thats ridiculous alright. Kelly should made that list. Who made the cut? John O Shea, Ken McGrath and Mullane?

Beechwoodspark

Kimmage hasn’t been on in ages , in fairness

Jayesdiem

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Thats ridiculous alright. Kelly should made that list. Who made the cut? John O Shea, Ken McGrath and Mullane?

An odd list.

O’Shea, John Treacy (fair enough), Niamh Briggs (have to have a female in there - this is OTB) and Thomas Barr (whose sister happened to be on the panel. Fancy that).

No hurlers. Incredible.

Chalk McHugh

Jayesdiem wrote: »

An odd list.

O’Shea, John Treacy (fair enough), Niamh Briggs (have to have a female in there - this is OTB) and Thomas Barr (whose sister happened to be on the panel. Fancy that).

No hurlers. Incredible.

Oh yes of course John Treacy. Ah your joking me with Niamh Biggs and Barrs sister on the panel. Thats pathetic in all fairness.

generalgerry

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Oddly, their regular contributor Paul Kimmage also engaged in such behaviour but is nonetheless welcomed on the show with open arms on a regular basis, ironically, to talk about that very topic. Even more ironically, it’s all he ever talks about. The man eats, drinks, sleeps, breathes doping.

Damn it, you got my hopes up Jay. Kimmage hasn't been on in ages. Not sure if there was a row there but it's been a long time. I looked at the podcast today, as I was going to listen to it while doing a bit of gardening, but it reads "Troubled times in boxing, racism in sport". And to be frank, I've heard all that they have to say about racism in sport - all the live long day every day of the week.

Unless the "racism in sport" is in reference to the lack of opportunity for white sprinters, then I've heard it all before.

Higgins5473

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Kimmage hasn’t been on in ages , in fairness

That’s right...can’t even remember the last one, and he was always quite good. Loose canon chucking out obscenities and whatever else accusations and theories ran through the mad c*nts head mid-afternoon.

Think I may have answered my own question there as to why he hasn’t been on lately on reflection,

Blanco100

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Oh yes of course John Treacy. Ah your joking me with Niamh Biggs and Barrs sister on the panel. Thats pathetic in all fairness.

Niamh Briggs, that absolutely ridiculous.

How many women play rugby worldwide?

Tell me how

generalgerry wrote: »

Damn it, you got my hopes up Jay. Kimmage hasn't been on in ages. Not sure if there was a row there but it's been a long time. I looked at the podcast today, as I was going to listen to it while doing a bit of gardening, but it reads "Troubled times in boxing, racism in sport". And to be frank, I've heard all that they have to say about racism in sport - all the live long day every day of the week.

Unless the "racism in sport" is in reference to the lack of opportunity for white sprinters, then I've heard it all before.

That's up there with 'sure the NFL can't be racist, most players are black'.

Jayesdiem

Blanco100 wrote: »

Niamh Briggs, that absolutely ridiculous.

How many women play rugby worldwide?

Not that many but growing. It’s not Briggs per se that I’d have the issue with on that selection. She’s good at what she does and has achieved plenty in her domain. My issue is that if picking a Waterford Mount Rushmore, you go and omit any player from the only sport that really matters in the county. And you do it because you are OTB and you are compelled to forcibly hammer women’s sport down your listenership’s throat. Then you include someone whose sister is on the judging panel to make it even more farcical. For the record, Tom Barr is a fantastic athlete who achieved a brilliant fourth place finish in his event at the last Olympics. He might well have more to add to that so his career could yet be legendary. But it isn’t yet and John Mullane, Ken McGrath and Dan Shanahan, even Paul Flynn, are Waterford folk heroes who will go down as some of the greatest hurlers the county ever produced. And not one made the list!!!

generalgerry

I think most of their lists were put together in the fear that they would end up with four males faces on the mountain and suffer a backlash on Twitter as a result. Which, to be fair, is probably what would have happened.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Higgins5473 wrote: »

That’s right...can’t even remember the last one, and he was always quite good. Loose canon chucking out obscenities and whatever else accusations and theories ran through the mad c*nts head mid-afternoon.

Think I may have answered my own question there as to why he hasn’t been on lately on reflection,

Kimmage wont appear on any Communicorp stations until they lift their ban on IT journalists appearing from what I've read. A lot more journalists should be doing the same imo but its easy money thats hard turn down I suppose

Jayesdiem

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Kimmage wont appear on any Communicorp stations until they lift their ban on IT journalists appearing from what I've read. A lot more journalists should be doing the same imo but its easy money thats hard turn down I suppose

Hopefully the ban continues for some time then. One dimensional does not begin to describe that man. I’m pretty sure he’s thinking about doping right now.

Chalk McHugh

The Waterford Mount Rushmore for me would be

1 Sean Kelly
2 John Treacy
3 John O Shea
4 Ken McGrath
5 John Mullane

Having a woman rugby player is baloney. What are the attendances or viewer figures like for this? Not a rugby fan myself but anytime i had the misfortune of flicking through the channels and seeing the womans rugby there seemed little crowd. How is she ahead of legends of hurling, Waterfords favourite game? An insult to peoples intelligence. If Briggs was on Mnt Rushmore there should be statues built for McGrath and Mullane in Mount Sion and De La Salle instead.

Chalk McHugh

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Hopefully the ban continues for some time then. One dimensional does not begin to describe that man. I’m pretty sure he’s thinking about doping right now.

Surely hes not still at that carry on?

Joe Columbo

Tell me how wrote: »

That's up there with 'sure the NFL can't be racist, most players are black'.

You obviously deliberately decided ignore the point being made.

The poster said "then I've heard it all before" which is true for a lot of people as the racism in sport topic is discussed constantly over the last few weeks months and years and eventually hearing the same thing over and over again gets boring so it's understandable why someone might decide to change the channel when that discussion comes up again.

Joe Columbo

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Not that many but growing. It’s not Briggs per se that I’d have the issue with on that selection. She’s good at what she does and has achieved plenty in her domain. My issue is that if picking a Waterford Mount Rushmore, you go and omit any player from the only sport that really matters in the county. And you do it because you are OTB and you are compelled to forcibly hammer women’s sport down your listenership’s throat. Then you include someone whose sister is on the judging panel to make it even more farcical. For the record, Tom Barr is a fantastic athlete who achieved a brilliant fourth place finish in his event at the last Olympics. He might well have more to add to that so his career could yet be legendary. But it isn’t yet and John Mullane, Ken McGrath and Dan Shanahan, even Paul Flynn, are Waterford folk heroes who will go down as some of the greatest hurlers the county ever produced. And not one made the list!!!

These Mount Rushmore segments should take into account the impact the person has had on the county not just sporting achievement you can't have a Waterford Mount Rushmore without including one of the great hurlers of the past 20 years it's about the only sport in that country that brings everyone together.No disrespect to her but nobody will remember Niamh Briggs career whereas nobody will forget the likes of Flynn, McGrath, Browne, Shanahan and Mullane.

cmac2009

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Kimmage wont appear on any Communicorp stations until they lift their ban on IT journalists appearing from what I've read. A lot more journalists should be doing the same imo but its easy money thats hard turn down I suppose

Kimmage is with Irish Independent not the Irish Times so shouldn't affect him?. Perhaps he hasn't been on since his last appearance, can't recall when it was, but he went off on a intense rant, with possibly a profanity thrown in. He's a loose cannon and Joe et al. can't control him so unlikely to hear him again. Always enjoyed his contributions, may not agree with his views and he does tend to labour a point, but at least he speaks freely and is unafraid to offend. The paper review contributors now are absolutely woeful, yesterday's episode was a new low and made me pine for someone like Kimmage or Gary O'Toole.

Jayesdiem

cmac2009 wrote: »

Kimmage is with Irish Independent not the Irish Times so shouldn't affect him?. Perhaps he hasn't been on since his last appearance, can't recall when it was, but he went off on a intense rant, with possibly a profanity thrown in. He's a loose cannon and Joe et al. can't control him so unlikely to hear him again. Always enjoyed his contributions, may not agree with his views and he does tend to labour a point, but at least he speaks freely and is unafraid to offend. The paper review contributors now are absolutely woeful, yesterday's episode was a new low and made me pine for someone like Kimmage or Gary O'Toole.

I’d agree with your Kimmage assessment except that he only has one topic he is capable of talking about. If the conversation is not about doping, it will invariably gravitate there. I think the man falls asleep by imagining doping cyclists in the way we’d imagine sheep jumping fences.

dr.kenneth noisewater

cmac2009 wrote: »

Kimmage is with Irish Independent not the Irish Times so shouldn't affect him?. Perhaps he hasn't been on since his last appearance, can't recall when it was, but he went off on a intense rant, with possibly a profanity thrown in. He's a loose cannon and Joe et al. can't control him so unlikely to hear him again. Always enjoyed his contributions, may not agree with his views and he does tend to labour a point, but at least he speaks freely and is unafraid to offend. The paper review contributors now are absolutely woeful, yesterday's episode was a new low and made me pine for someone like Kimmage or Gary O'Toole.

I know that, its his choice as he doesn't agree with DOB banning his colleagues from the IT from being on

cmac2009

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I’d agree with your Kimmage assessment except that he only has one topic he is capable of talking about. If the conversation is not about doping, it will invariably gravitate there. I think the man falls asleep by imagining doping cyclists in the way we’d imagine sheep jumping fences.

I'd disagree with that assertion, he has spoken in depth on numerous sporting topics when he's been on and I've always found his views compelling and insightful. Yes, sports doping gets him riled up and he frequently makes unsubstantiated claims which can become tiresome, but I'm willing to give him a pass on that as obviously it's a topic that has dominated his life, and his contributions on a whole are overwhelmingly positive.

RugbyLover123

generalgerry wrote: »

I think most of their lists were put together in the fear that they would end up with four males faces on the mountain and suffer a backlash on Twitter as a result. Which, to be fair, is probably what would have happened.

Colm Cooper didn’t make the Kerry one - arguable the greatest gaa player of all time - because the need to put a female on it. Although she had an impressive list of honours, it was a bit baffling. Needless to say the lads were drooling over the prospect, think it was Ger encouraging Donaghy to do it.

BPKS

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Colm Cooper didn’t make the Kerry one - arguable the greatest gaa player of all time - because the need to put a female on it. Although she had an impressive list of honours, it was a bit baffling. Needless to say the lads were drooling over the prospect, think it was Ger encouraging Donaghy to do it.

Exactly.

Gooch was on the original list and then he got shafted in favour of a ladies footballer who played in an era when the standard of that sport was muck.

Of course Paul Galvin had to stick his oar in as well - throwing in a few crazy nominations (a hurler and a ladies footballer and rugby player) in favour of "democracy" as he called it.

Higgins5473

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Hopefully the ban continues for some time then. One dimensional does not begin to describe that man. I’m pretty sure he’s thinking about doping right now.

Have found Gerry Thornleys absence to be far more welcoming to be honest.

RINO87

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Fck me, did any conversations about actual sport break out at all today? There was more virtue signalling nonsense (unbelievably of a sporting variety) yesterday when they refused to include Sean Kelly, arguably Ireland’s greatest ever cyclist, on the County Waterford Mount Rushmore things they’ve been doing. You see to keep up with his European competitors, it is thought that Sean took a substance or two in an effort to ensure he didn’t fade in obscurity in the cycling pecking order. Oddly, their regular contributor Paul Kimmage also engaged in such behaviour but is nonetheless welcomed on the show with open arms on a regular basis, ironically, to talk about that very topic. Even more ironically, it’s all he ever talks about. The man eats, drinks, sleeps, breathes doping.

Wasn't it a Can of Cidona that was Kelly's secret weapon?!

He undoubtedly should have topped that list.

Ahwell

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Kimmage wont appear on any Communicorp stations until they lift their ban on IT journalists appearing from what I've read. A lot more journalists should be doing the same imo but its easy money thats hard turn down I suppose

Moncrieff started writing a column for The Irish Times not long after the ban was put in place. In can only have been his way of protesting the decision. I'm surprised he got away with it.

deisedude

If ye thought the Waterford Mount Rushmore was joke the Kilkenny selection was beyond ridiculous

Angela Downey
Willie Mullins
DJ Carey
Willie Duggan

CatFromHue

Kimmage has been on OTB during the IT ban, I think at least twice. It's only a recent enough thing were he's decided to not go on OTB due to the ban.

Chalk McHugh

Heres my Mount Rushmore of the worst/annoying OTB pundits of all time

1 Ger Gilroy
2 Richie McCormack
3 Brian O Driscoll
4 Keith Wood
5 Ger Gilroy

Blanco100

I wonder does Joe Molloy secretly detest Ger Gilroy?

I'd say there is a bit of loathing there both ways. Ger loathing Joe for being far better than him at his job, and Joe loathing Ger for having to faux kiss his arse in most segments.

BPKS

deisedude wrote: »

If ye thought the Waterford Mount Rushmore was joke the Kilkenny selection was beyond ridiculous

Angela Downey
Willie Mullins
DJ Carey
Willie Duggan

Is there a gender quota for each county I wonder?

Beechwoodspark

Top billing on the show tonight - a discussion on John Mitchell -

Absolute tripe as usual

cms88

BPKS wrote: »

Is there a gender quota for each county I wonder?

As had already been said Donaghy was pretty much made take the Gooch out of his and replace with a female.

One thing that actually surprises me it OTB don't have a female host at this state

statesaver

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Heres my Mount Rushmore of the worst/annoying OTB pundits of all time

1 Ger Gilroy
2 Richie McCormack
3 Brian O Driscoll
4 Keith Wood
5 Ger Gilroy

Johnny Ward surely must get an honourable mention.

Chalk McHugh

statesaver wrote: »

Johnny Ward surely must get an honourable mention.

Not for me. Think Johny Ward is a bit mad but his heart is in the right place and he doesnt take himself too seriously. Plus he loves the Irish football league and GAA and dislikes rugby like myself. Himself and Dan McDonmel work well together.