Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

Did you smash it

Stephen Elliot done his bit in an Ireland jersey but he’s doesn’t give you much on the Saturday show. Bar stooler opinions.

Did you smash it

Ger Gilroy has an interview with Paul Kimmage in the sIndo today or the other way around I suppose.

Wonder how it gets covered in the paper review. Kimmage opines in the interview that OTB isn’t as good as it used to be so could be awkward.

Tell me how

They seemed comfortable talking about it. Turned it in to a segment and pushed it on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1388896061956186116

Beechwoodspark

Did you smash it wrote: »

Ger Gilroy has an interview with Paul Kimmage in the sIndo today or the other way around I suppose.

Wonder how it gets covered in the paper review. Kimmage opines in the interview that OTB isn’t as good as it used to be so could be awkward.

personally I think it’s as good as ever since the second captains crew left

Beechwoodspark

deisedude wrote: »

I haven't made the move, I enjoyed the pod but I would be a very casual golf fan, I don't play the game and really only watch the majors so couldn't justify paying for it when I have other subscriptions too

I’m the same.

Half listen to it on a Sunday when it’s on but couldn’t justify paying a sub for it

siblers

monstermag wrote: »

Yesterday evening Richie seemed pretty convinced the super league would go ahead, fast forward to this evening and it's like he's saying the exact opposite, as if he believed it was a dead duck from the beginning. Joe is the only one on the show who said the super league would never get off the ground. He's quite intuitive that way.

Richie is one of the main reasons why I stopped listening to OTB, he's more insufferable than Gilroy

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

They seemed comfortable talking about it. Turned it in to a segment and pushed it on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1388896061956186116

They dealt with it very well and Eoin Sheehan was the right man in the hot seat as he doesn't get too excited and has a good sense of humour.

Personally, I have noticed a big move away from the more serious journalism towards the fun and light stuff like Nathan and his kid's England jersey in the last year.

I don't have the time to listen live anymore and wouldn't bother with the light-hearted stuff on podcast or video afterwards and tend to go looking elsewhere for the more serious stuff but I doubt I am representative of the market they are after.

Fair play to them for dealing with it head on though.

Beechwoodspark

Just with the talk of second captains etc

Wouldn’t be a second captains regular but just listened to their latest podcast in the car

Dunno, air of smugness from them at times. Ken in particular.

Yes he’s a clever guy and he knows a lot and I enjoy his articles in the times but I can’t really warm to that “hectoring/lecturing” style that Ken has

Ahwell

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just with the talk of second captains etc

Wouldn’t be a second captains regular but just listened to their latest podcast in the car

Dunno, air of smugness from them at times. Ken in particular.

Yes he’s a clever guy and he knows a lot and I enjoy his articles in the times but I can’t really warm to that “hectoring/lecturing” style that Ken has

Ken is the main reason I listen to them, I'm not sure I would if he wasn't on it. Each to his own and and all that....

Ol' Donie

Ahwell wrote: »

Ken is the main reason I listen to the them, I'm not sure I would if he wasn't on it. Each to his own and and all that....

Being smug and funny beats just being smug all day every day.

Did you smash it

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just with the talk of second captains etc

Wouldn’t be a second captains regular but just listened to their latest podcast in the car

Dunno, air of smugness from them at times. Ken in particular.

Yes he’s a clever guy and he knows a lot and I enjoy his articles in the times but I can’t really warm to that “hectoring/lecturing” style that Ken has

I’d keep that opinion off the second captains thread anyway. Some figures there are very sensitive to criticism of the show.

Did you smash it

Did you smash it wrote: »

I’d keep that opinion off the second captains thread anyway. Some figures there are very sensitive to criticism of the show.

Or probably just disagree. Sorry if that’s less dramatic.

Did you smash it

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Or probably just disagree. Sorry if that’s less dramatic.

In there like swimwear. There’s certain posters there that are determined to absolutely shutdown criticism of the show.

You’re best off not putting up any criticism of second captains on its thread, it’s just better for an easy life.

redbuck

Did you smash it wrote: »

In there like swimwear. There’s certain posters there that are determined to absolutely shutdown criticism of the show.

You’re best off not putting up any criticism of second captains on its thread, it’s just better for an easy life.

A lot like this thread so.

17togo

Did you smash it wrote: »

In there like swimwear. There’s certain posters there that are determined to absolutely shutdown criticism of the show.

You’re best off not putting up any criticism of second captains on its thread, it’s just better for an easy life.

Pretty much like this thread then?!

Did you smash it

redbuck wrote: »

A lot like this thread so.

Not that I’ve noticed to be honest. This thread has a mood of lambasting certain people on the show...so very different vibe. My impression anyway.

Did you smash it

Did you smash it wrote: »

Not that I’ve noticed to be honest. This thread has a mood of lambasting certain people on the show...so very different vibe. My impression anyway.

Yes, we've had that point; several times.
Talk about the show if you want, not your impression of other users.

Did you smash it

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yes, we've had that point; several times.
Talk about the show if you want, not your impression of other users.

Sure, no problem from me. Two people said the vibe was the same on both threads. I just took a different view.

Fromvert

I didn't get the Ritchie hate but lately he's really grinding. Even today Adrian is just throwing out a why won't a GAA Super League happen at some point comment, not even in our life times but sometime in the future that it could potentially happen. This came after a golf super league chat and all the recent soccer super league stuff. More light hearted chat than a serious chat. But Ritchie just kept saying no, in a low tone every couple of seconds while Adrian was talking.

You're on radio, shut up while others are making a point and then interject afterwards, not be a petulant child and interrupt continuously because someone is saying something you don't agree with.

Faugheen

Fromvert wrote: »

I didn't get the Ritchie hate but lately he's really grinding. Even today Adrian is just throwing out a why won't a GAA Super League happen at some point comment, not even in our life times but sometime in the future that it could potentially happen. This came after a golf super league chat and all the recent soccer super league stuff. More light hearted chat than a serious chat. But Ritchie just kept saying no, in a low tone every couple of seconds while Adrian was talking.

You're on radio, shut up while others are making a point and then interject afterwards, not be a petulant child and interrupt continuously because someone is saying something you don't agree with.

In fairness Adrian was chatting absolute sh*te there.

Fromvert

Faugheen wrote: »

In fairness Adrian was chatting absolute sh*te there.

He was but it was light hearted chat in a light hearted segment where the chat usually meanders as the news stories are brought up. He seems to constantly get tilted when doing it if the chat isn't going the way he wants it to.

While your colleague is talking (nonsense or not) on a live show and you're saying no..pause..no..pause..no..pause..no very lowly but still very audibly is just rude and unprofessional and shows a lack of awareness of how you are coming across. I was waiting for Joe or Adrian to tell him to shut up, because I sure wanted to.

He talks about music and sport for a living, he could do with being able to lighten up on air. He has, for want of a better word no 'banter' about him.

Fromvert

Fromvert wrote: »

He was but it was light hearted chat in a light hearted segment where the chat usually meanders as the news stories are brought up. He seems to constantly get tilted when doing it if the chat isn't going the way he wants it to.

While your colleague is talking (nonsense or not) on a live show and you're saying no..pause..no..pause..no..pause..no very lowly but still very audibly is just rude and unprofessional and shows a lack of awareness of how you are coming across. I was waiting for Joe or Adrian to tell him to shut up, because I sure wanted to.

He talks about music and sport for a living, he could do with being able to lighten up on air. He has, for want of a better word no 'banter' about him.

Not having any banter in him is probably a good thing! He just comes across as being so serious and sanctimonious about everything, and has that worst trait of so many people these days - he's so easily offended.

Tell me how

Anyone have any thoughts on the Micheal Martin interview from Tuesday evening?

A key part of the interview was the announcement that Irish primary school students spend the 4th fewest amount of hours in PE classes amongst countries in Europe.
At first I thought Joe came across as naïve in pushing him so hard to commit to more PE activities in primary schools within 5 years but as it went on I figured it wasn't a bad approach to get the highest politician in the country to commit to something which on the face of it should be a no brainer. Micheal's hesitancy showed just how difficult it can be to implement something as he alluded to having to train people, get the curriculum set up for this and so on and so on. There's an awful lot that goes on between taking something being an idea and it actually happening with a lot of stakeholders along the way who can influence it. Martin obviously has been at this game too long to promise something he knows might not happen and didn't disclose just who or what exactly would be the stumbling block to this happening.

Quite a scoop for OTB to get the Taoiseach in for a 30 minute interview as it was and I thought he came across as being interested and aware of the significance of sport in todays society and explained the logic behind not having kids training while they still go to school even if many people wouldn't agree with it.

nialler1978

Tell me how wrote: »

Anyone have any thoughts on the Micheal Martin interview from Tuesday evening?

A key part of the interview was the announcement that Irish primary school students spend the 4th fewest amount of hours in PE classes amongst countries in Europe.
At first I thought Joe came across as naïve in pushing him so hard to commit to more PE activities in primary schools within 5 years but as it went on I figured it wasn't a bad approach to get the highest politician in the country to commit to something which on the face of it should be a no brainer. Micheal's hesitancy showed just how difficult it can be to implement something as he alluded to having to train people, get the curriculum set up for this and so on and so on. There's an awful lot that goes on between taking something being an idea and it actually happening with a lot of stakeholders along the way who can influence it. Martin obviously has been at this game too long to promise something he knows might not happen and didn't disclose just who or what exactly would be the stumbling block to this happening.

Quite a scoop for OTB to get the Taoiseach in for a 30 minute interview as it was and I thought he came across as being interested and aware of the significance of sport in todays society and explained the logic behind not having kids training while they still go to school even if many people wouldn't agree with it.

Didn’t hear it and won’t be looking for it, I’d imagine it was excruciating to listen to just like any other interview he gives.

Quite peculiar having the head of state on to a sports radio programme, no? Was the interview advertised to be a discussion on PE in schools? If not It’s good that he was challenged on something important and topical, I’d say beforehand Mícheál saw it as an opportunity to promote himself and the party in some way, some feel good puff piece shįte along the lines of the glory days of cork hurling and football.

Tell me how

nialler1978 wrote: »

Didn’t hear it and won’t be looking for it, I’d imagine it was excruciating to listen to just like any other interview he gives.

I didn't think so, thought he did give an honest answer on everything he was asked but maybe others would have issues. Would like your take on it if you did listen to it given you obviously aren't a fan.

nialler1978 wrote: »

Quite peculiar having the head of state on to a sports radio programme, no? Was the interview advertised to be a discussion on PE in schools? If not It’s good that he was challenged on something important and topical, I’d say beforehand Mícheál saw it as an opportunity to promote himself and the party in some way, some feel good puff piece shįte along the lines of the glory days of cork hurling and football.

No was advertised as him coming in for a chat and people were encouraged to send in questions. Covered a range of topics, boxing (amateur and pro issue in Ireland), sports funding (LOI, male/female), Covid restrictions, Leinsters efforts to arrange a trial of testing with 2000 in attendance for a match.
MM seemed to take it all in good faith and didn't have an issue with questions being asked even though he probably knows many would have an issue with his answers.

Faugheen

nialler1978 wrote: »

Didn’t hear it and won’t be looking for it, I’d imagine it was excruciating to listen to just like any other interview he gives.

Quite peculiar having the head of state on to a sports radio programme, no? Was the interview advertised to be a discussion on PE in schools? If not It’s good that he was challenged on something important and topical, I’d say beforehand Mícheál saw it as an opportunity to promote himself and the party in some way, some feel good puff piece shįte along the lines of the glory days of cork hurling and football.

I'd advise you actually go and listen to it rather than telling us you're not interested and then asking people questions about it.

Was a very interesting piece and as pointed out, as honest and up front as I've ever seen MM.

nialler1978

Tell me how wrote: »

I didn't think so, thought he did give an honest answer on everything he was asked but maybe others would have issues. Would like your take on it if you did listen to it given you obviously aren't a fan.



No was advertised as him coming in for a chat and people were encouraged to send in questions. Covered a range of topics, boxing (amateur and pro issue in Ireland), sports funding (LOI, male/female), Covid restrictions, Leinsters efforts to arrange a trial of testing with 2000 in attendance for a match.
MM seemed to take it all in good faith and didn't have an issue with questions being asked even though he probably knows many would have an issue with his answers.

Yeah, wouldn’t be a fan of his in any capacity but particularly when being interviewed.

You’ve got to wonder about the confidence they have in their own ministers, and his level of unpopularity if the Taoiseach is going on to Off The Ball, it’s fairly embarrassing. Not criticising the show in any way but imagine any other head of state heading on to a sports radio programme, surely a job for Catherine Martin seeing as she is a minister in this department being paid massively and has very little to do at the moment. Bizarre that he would be on. Possibly part of the new FFG pathetic PR stuff trying to “get hip” with the youngsters, neale richmond and Simon Harris TikTok muck.

Yep, a hardcore FFG mod will jump in and tell me to move this to the politics forum and hand me a warning, but I’m not on that for a reason, this is an OTB thread and for some inexplicable reason our Taoiseach is on the show talking sport so that’s my reason for bringing politics into it.

Tell me how

nialler1978 wrote: »

You’ve got to wonder about the confidence they have in their own ministers, and his level of unpopularity if the Taoiseach is going on to Off The Ball, it’s fairly embarrassing. Not criticising the show in any way but imagine any other head of state heading on to a sports radio programme, surely a job for Catherine Martin seeing as she is a minister in this department being paid massively and has very little to do at the moment. Bizarre that he would be on. Possibly part of the new FFG pathetic PR stuff trying to “get hip” with the youngsters, neale richmond and Simon Harris TikTok muck.

Look, you seem to be set on MM and political parties in general.

It didn't seem to be a PR exercise but rather an opportunity to answer sports questions from the Government perspective on a widely listened to show. I'm sure it was in response to a request from OTB and I say fair play to them for doing it.

Again, I would suggest you listen to it and critique him then but maybe if you feel this strongly about them, you might be better off not doing so.

Faugheen

nialler1978 wrote: »

You’ve got to wonder about the confidence they have in their own ministers, and his level of unpopularity if the Taoiseach is going on to Off The Ball, it’s fairly embarrassing.

Why is it embarrassing?

They've had Jack Chambers on already. I think it's high time the leader of the country was put to task on issues impacting on sport here. Whether its funding for professional leagues and grassroots or encouraging participation in the first place.

As Joe pointed out, there are tonnes upon tonnes of journalists that can ask him about housing, health and all the other issues. Sport is criminally underfunded in this country with so many organisations basically having to fight amongst each other for a small pool of funding.

You might think its embarrassing but until you are actively involved in sport in this country you won't realise just how disgraceful it is.. 19 million for greyhound racing and 3 million for the GAA which is a cash cow in itself. It's an absolute joke and like I said earlier it's about time someone took the government to task on this.

nialler1978

Tell me how wrote: »

Look, you seem to be set on MM and political parties in general.

It didn't seem to be a PR exercise but rather an opportunity to answer sports questions from the Government perspective on a widely listened to show. I'm sure it was in response to a request from OTB and I say fair play to them for doing it.

Again, I would suggest you listen to it and critique him then but maybe if you feel this strongly about them, you might be better off not doing so.

Nudge, tip, gentle reminder, don’t respond starting with a patronising “look...” and then proceed to tell the person what their political interests or persuasions are, because 1. it’s none of your business and 2. Mícheál Martin as head of state has bizarrely made his way on to a sports radio programme which is odd, as I’ve pointed out we have a highly paid minister which her job description is “sport” and she is not there. That is odd. This is my point, I initially expressed my total lack of respect for the man which is why I avoid him so, why is he on a sports radio programme, and if it’s explaining Covid and future sporting events why isn’t our sports minister doing it? That is her job.

The FFG fan club is in already anyway, I’ll get a ban, or a warning soon enough.

Did you smash it

Faugheen wrote: »

Why is it embarrassing?

They've had Jack Chambers on already. I think it's high time the leader of the country was put to task on issues impacting on sport here. Whether its funding for professional leagues and grassroots or encouraging participation in the first place.

As Joe pointed out, there are tonnes upon tonnes of journalists that can ask him about housing, health and all the other issues. Sport is criminally underfunded in this country with so many organisations basically having to fight amongst each other for a small pool of funding.

You might think its embarrassing but until you are actively involved in sport in this country you won't realise just how disgraceful it is.. 19 million for greyhound racing and 3 million for the GAA which is a cash cow in itself. It's an absolute joke and like I said earlier it's about time someone took the government to task on this.

You are quite correct. Be interesting to see if anything changes in the next decade or we just go forward as a third world sporting infrastructure country where the government sees sport as a good revenue raiser and that’s all.

Tell me how

nialler1978 wrote: »

Nudge, tip, gentle reminder, don’t respond starting with a patronising “look...” and then proceed to tell the person what their political interests or persuasions are, because 1. it’s none of your business and 2. Mícheál Martin as head of state has bizarrely made his way on to a sports radio programme which is odd, as I’ve pointed out we have a highly paid minister which her job description is “sport” and she is not there. That is odd. This is my point, I initially expressed my total lack of respect for the man which is why I avoid him so, why is he on a sports radio programme, and if it’s explaining Covid and future sporting events why isn’t our sports minister doing it? That is her job.

The FFG fan club is in already anyway, I’ll get a ban, or a warning soon enough.

Tip. If you don't want to discuss something, stay the F out of the discussion on it.

But sure, it'll be the mods fault when they decide to scrub this nonsense.

nialler1978

Tell me how wrote: »

Tip. If you don't want to discuss something, stay the F out of the discussion on it.

But sure, it'll be the mods fault when they decide to scrub this nonsense.

My political interests have nothing to do with anything. I’m asking why our “chief” head of state is on a radio programme discussing sport instead of our minister for sport, who to be honest I can’t recall hearing from about sport in a very long time.

Faugheen

nialler1978 wrote: »

My political interests have nothing to do with anything. I’m asking why our “chief” head of state is on a radio programme discussing sport instead of our minister for sport, who to be honest I can’t recall hearing from about sport in a very long time.

If you bothered to read posts, I told you they had Jack Chambers on already on OTBAM a few weeks ago.

The Taoiseach is never taken to task on sport in this country. It's about time he was.

Why should he be on a sports radio programme to talk about it? Is sport above him?

nialler1978

nialler1978 wrote: »

The FFG fan club is in already anyway, I’ll get a ban, or a warning soon enough.

nialler1978 wrote: »

Yep, a hardcore FFG mod will jump in and tell me to move this to the politics forum and hand me a warning, but I’m not on that for a reason,

I couldn't do anything if I wanted to — I'm not sure what the point you're making is?

A Taoiseach shouldn't go on a sports' programme because sport is somehow beneath his office? Is that it? He's questioned on all portfolios, I'm not clear on what it is about sport that's different.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

Anyone have any thoughts on the Micheal Martin interview from Tuesday evening?

A key part of the interview was the announcement that Irish primary school students spend the 4th fewest amount of hours in PE classes amongst countries in Europe.
At first I thought Joe came across as naïve in pushing him so hard to commit to more PE activities in primary schools within 5 years but as it went on I figured it wasn't a bad approach to get the highest politician in the country to commit to something which on the face of it should be a no brainer. Micheal's hesitancy showed just how difficult it can be to implement something as he alluded to having to train people, get the curriculum set up for this and so on and so on. There's an awful lot that goes on between taking something being an idea and it actually happening with a lot of stakeholders along the way who can influence it. Martin obviously has been at this game too long to promise something he knows might not happen and didn't disclose just who or what exactly would be the stumbling block to this happening.

Quite a scoop for OTB to get the Taoiseach in for a 30 minute interview as it was and I thought he came across as being interested and aware of the significance of sport in todays society and explained the logic behind not having kids training while they still go to school even if many people wouldn't agree with it.

Enjoyed the piece and can't see why some posters would have any issue with the leader of the country tackling such an important issue.

I'm a a primary teacher by training and did extensive research and a lengthy thesis on the matter a few years back.

What I concluded in my research is:

1. Facilities in primary schools are hopelessly inadequate - lots of schools have no proper hall or access to a field

2. The curriculum is already jam packed and something has to give elsewhere if we are to find more room for PE.

3. Teachers are poorly trained in PE - or were trained at a time when we weren't facing the crisis in movement we are now - and those that are successfully teaching the subject are bringing their expertise from sports experience elsewhere rather than teacher training

4. Children are lacking basic fundamental movement skills that previous generations innately learned through play. Opportunities for outdoor play and learning these movement skills have been drastically cut for the current generation for numerous reasons.

5. The explicit teaching of fundamental movement skills needs to be done from an early age and taught by properly trained teachers. Without mastering basic movement skills, children have no hope of enjoying, mastering or engaging meaningfully with sports.

6. Specialist PE teachers need to be introduced to primary schools and the teaching of PE removed from the classroom teacher. This is done in countries with much more successful PE programmes that Ireland and works well.

The main stumbling block to all of the above - and most likely what MM is alluding to - is the unions. They will fight back against the idea of specialisation as it erodes the role of the generalist class teacher and would open the door for specialisation in other curricular areas.

All of the research shows that we are crisis point with regard to the Physical Education of children - lots of kids these days don't know how to kick, run, climb, jump etc - and the issue needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

riewomann

Really enjoyed the MM interview.

What I don't understand is how there are so many different contributors to this show?! Are they all doing it for free as exposure? Someone said their audience is 50k, is radio advertising really that lucrative?

It can get confusing as usually I have no idea who is talking.

As has been previously said the main presenter plays it a bit too carefully so as not to offend. I know everyone has to be careful these days so as not to get caught off side, but this lad really stays inside his own half!

Definitely not risking becoming a victim of cancel culture

I think the quiz could be really good if they cooled it with the fake banter, some great questions, but some god awful "ribbing".

gluppers

Jaysus, they wouldn't shut up about McIlroy the other evening

Did you smash it

Phillipe Auclair a fairly pointless contributor on the Benzema scandal. Needed a contributor who was willing to speak more freely and quickly. Getting blood out of a stone.

cmac2009

Máire Treasa Ní Cheallaigh and George Hamilton on the paper review. Skip.

Serious deterioration of this section over the last while.

Beechwoodspark

Must say I thought Hamilton was good the last time he was on

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Must say I thought Hamilton was good the last time he was on

Although I admit I’m biased being a big fan of his Hamilton Scores on lyric

Did you smash it

Picking their team of the season on the Saturday show. lawro didn’t get the brief unfortunately.

Robertson was his left back of the season

Jayesdiem

cmac2009 wrote: »

Máire Treasa Ní Cheallaigh and George Hamilton on the paper review. Skip.

Serious deterioration of this section over the last while.

Ni Cheallaigh is as woke as they come. Thanks for the warning, I’ll avoid.

deise man

Dead right. She's a right dose to listen to. An hour of a preachy lecture? No thanks!

deisedude

Did you smash it wrote: »

Picking their team of the season on the Saturday show. lawro didn’t get the brief unfortunately.

Robertson was his left back of the season

He clearly had no preparation done. I genuinely think Robertson was the only left back he could think of when asked.

Pretty sure he called Ederson "Edinson"
Couldn't think of Reece James' name and took ages to try and think of Johhny Evans as his second Centre back

And criminally picked Lingard as the supporting forward player to Kane!

Did you smash it

deisedude wrote: »

He clearly had no preparation done. I genuinely think Robertson was the only left back he could think of when asked.

Pretty sure he called Ederson "Edinson"
Couldn't think of Reece James' name and took ages to try and think of Johhny Evans as his second Centre back

And criminally picked Lingard as the supporting forward player to Kane!

Did he pick Bruno?

deisedude

Did you smash it wrote: »

Did he pick Bruno?

I dont think so

Did you smash it

deisedude wrote: »

I dont think so

Not a man to think on the hoof then. Duggan kept going to him first on the bit I heard. A clever host would back off him and go to the other contributors first once he’d heard his uncertainty.

Billy Ocean

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Ni Cheallaigh is as woke as they come. Thanks for the warning, I’ll avoid.

She has given herself a ridiculous level of self importance been someone doing her medicine exams during covid