The Stunning frontman slams Arthur's Day 'smugness'

Mint Sauce

Cant believe the amount of people who have never heard of 'The Stuning' and 'The Walls'! And I wasn't even bought up in Ireland.

:eek:

Oh and as for the Arthurs Day thing, of course its totally marketing, why do you think the date keeps changing each year for a start? I already drink the stuff on a night out, I dont need a special day of the year to remind me about it.

Boombastic

Easily to see the innocence of youth in this thread, who never heard of the Stunning or the Walls and think Authurs days is a tradition from ancient times :pac:

cup of tea

Firstly I've seen the Stunning play before,were decent enough from what I can remember.Stupid Marketing day you say?.Have you ever bought your mother or father anything for Mothers/Fathers day?.Have you ever bought a Valentines card or roses?.Have you ever eaten or bought a child an Easter egg?. If you have then you have no right to be complaining about Arthurs day.

I for one couldn't give a **** whos playing for Arthurs day. For a Guinnness drinker its simply one of the best days of the year. Cheaper pints with taps in full flow all day = enjoyable Guinness. Have partaken the last few years and think it's an amazing day.Meet up with a few friends for the day and sip Guinness,perfect. Whatever way you turn there is going to be live music.

Irish Guitarist

What next? Is the lead singer of The Subterraneans* going to complain about it too?

I couldn't care less about Arthurs Day. It's just a crappy advertising campaign. They could sponsor Justin Bieber for all I care.

*I bet no one has a clue who I'm talking about.

Dizraeligears

My sister told me a good one about Steve Wall recently.
Shes getting something to eat in Galway one day,and whos there but Mr.Wall ordering some food.
Someone shouts over at the waitress
'Give it to him raw,he'll take it home and cook it himself...'

Ash.J.Williams

Rocky de velera and the gravediggers are holding an official press conference today about the lack of irish performers on arthurs day.

norrie rugger

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Rocky de velera and the gravediggers are holding an official press conference today about the lack of irish performers on arthurs day.

Do enough people know who they are to warrant their inclusion?
This is an event funded by a public company. Have the irish bands offered to do it for free, to promote themselves?? Why would they expect a private company to promote them, at the company's cost??

aidan24326

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Let me translate that post:

Joe Nobody (I dont type that as a dickhead, just what is fact, he is unkown) complains about arthurs day to get his name out there. Thus, trying to market himself. While Arthurs day is a marketing tool by Diageo to get suckers into buying Guinness.


Reality: Both Joe Nobody and Guinness wanna make money. While I agree the idea of Arthurs day is a joke. A child could see past both aspects.

It's a fact he's unknown? Or just in your head maybe?

You missed the point of what he was saying entirely. He was giving out that Diageo dress the whole thing up as some wankfest promotion of Guinness and Irish music and bands while failing to promote Irish acts in the process. He wasn't talking about his own band, they had their day.

Nulty

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's a stupid sensationalist moany rant and nothing else.

Why don't they put up new emerging bands? No-ones heard of'em. Can't go around booking something you don't know about or never heard before for a big event now can you?

Bands need to make themselves known to booking agents and show they draw a big and steady enough crowd. If they can't they'll never get into events like this. Because all you'll end up with is a load of unknowns playing together in front of friends/family.

That'll make the whole thing a farce. A lot of the excitement in Arthurs Day is looking to find out who'll be playing where. "Who" as in a big name act brought in from abroad.

But for what it's worth, I'm heading to an event tonight that was organised by a bunch of unknowns to latch into the whole Arthurs Day thing. Bands have to put themselves out there and they've a great opportunity to do so tonight, if they take it up themselves.

You can't expect someone to come up and had you a gig on a fúcking plate. This IS a great opportunity for the Irish Music Industry and for local bands, if they've got both the skill as musicians and the drive to manage themselves.

Don't you see? That's what he's getting at. Arthurs day is supposed to be promoting Irish music and Guinness - what he's saying is that they are only interested in promoting Guinness. They get foreign bands over to attract punters to make money. It's a contradiction.

Is this band you're going to see funded/supported by Guinness or Diageo? If not then you have missed the point. Diageo are interested in one thing - selling guinness, not Irish music. As far as I can see the guy was just making that clear to anyone who wasn't paying attention.

Ormus

I think a lot of people are missing the point, or else haven't really read what the guy said. He never said that his band should be headlining Arthur's Day, he just complained that all the bands headlining it are British. He made no reference to his own band at all.

The Stunning were a great Irish band of the 90's. Anyone who was into music back then would certainly remember them. They haven't released anything in years and have done very few gigs, so a lotta people will never have heard of them.

I have no interest in Arthur's Day and find it too makey-uppy, but the fact that hundreds of thousands of people will go out and drink Guinness all night makes it an absolute triumph of marketing. Just because some of you think you have seen through it doesn't make you the new Bill Hicks.

norrie rugger

Nulty wrote: »

Don't you see? That's what he's getting at. Arthurs day is supposed to be promoting Irish music and Guinness - what he's saying is that they are only interested in promoting Guinness. They get foreign bands over to attract punters to make money. It's a contradiction.

Is this band you're going to see funded/supported by Guinness or Diageo? If not then you have missed the point. Diageo are interested in one thing - selling guinness, not Irish music. As far as I can see the guy was just making that clear to anyone who wasn't paying attention.

Don't be rediculous, of course it is to sell more Guinness. But give me some headline Irish bands that would draw a crowd, without trotting out the same bands over and over??
Also, scratch below the headline bands and there is plenty of local talent.

holystungun9

starviewadams wrote: »

Just a marketing stunt that people bought into,can't believe it's lasted 3 years now.

snigger*

someone doesn't own an iPhone.













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Dravokivich

irish-stew wrote: »

Cant believe the amount of people who have never heard of 'The Stuning' and 'The Walls'! And I wasn't even bought up in Ireland.

:eek:

Oh and as for the Arthurs Day thing, of course its totally marketing, why do you think the date keeps changing each year for a start? I already drink the stuff on a night out, I dont need a special day of the year to remind me about it.

In case you haven't noticed...

"Our Thursday"

Dravokivich

Nulty wrote: »

Don't you see? That's what he's getting at. Arthurs day is supposed to be promoting Irish music and Guinness - what he's saying is that they are only interested in promoting Guinness. They get foreign bands over to attract punters to make money. It's a contradiction.

Is this band you're going to see funded/supported by Guinness or Diageo? If not then you have missed the point. Diageo are interested in one thing - selling guinness, not Irish music. As far as I can see the guy was just making that clear to anyone who wasn't paying attention.

No it isn't. He's expecting it to be provided to unknown bands.

There have been many other small scale events that do such already.

Hard Working Class Heros
Bud Rising
Heineken Green Energy
King Kong Club
Emergenza

These are all done on a much smaller scale because the unknown/emerging bands don't have a big enough pull to sustain an event the size of "Arthurs Day." They could even be so low below the radar, that who ever the booking agent is, simply doesn't know of them. For the most parts in the events above, the bands have to put themselves forward.

This is what I'm getting at. And what he is choosing not to mention. And me going to see a gig that was specifically targetted for tonight in town is an example of it. Without this commotion about Arthurs Day as an event, it'd be a harder to get together a crowd.

Mr. CooL ICE

If people have never heard of The Stunning or The Walls, I wouldn't be so fast to put it down to ignorance. I'd put it down to there being too many bands putting "the" at the start of their name.

Seriously, how fcuking unoriginal is this? Do they blindfold themselves, spin around and decide to pluralise the first thing they see while adding "the"? I know that as time goes on, more and more bands are created and therefore, finding an unused name is getting more difficult. But if your name is gonna be unoriginal, how is your music gonna be?

Just by sitting on my arse using my computer, I thought it would be funny if there was a band called The Monitors (they do exist). Theres also a band called The Mice (here). For now, I am gonna copyright the names The Whiteboard, The Teacups and The Tesco Finest Shopping Bag so any upcoming band will have to use their creativity for their name too.

Ash.J.Williams

I doubt any of the arthurs day bands will be written into music history anyway

Quorum

grenache wrote: »

Fair play to Steve Wall i say. Guinness/Diageo say it's a day not only to remember Arthur Guinness, but also promote Irish culture. Can't do that if you have no headline Irish acts lads!


http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/arthurs-day-criticism-steve-wall-610812-Sep2012/

Don't the Stunning have something to promote these days? Aaaah, having opinions for money. :cool:

Ghost Buster

norrie rugger wrote: »

Don't be rediculous, of course it is to sell more Guinness. But give me some headline Irish bands that would draw a crowd, without trotting out the same bands over and over??
Also, scratch below the headline bands and there is plenty of local talent.

So you want some bands other than known popular and successful ones?
Ok...
Ummmmmmmmm

Dyr

Ah the stunning are deadly, take your parachute and jump. Class.

Ash.J.Williams

just read this

Government urged to bring forward Sale of Alcohol Bill
The Joint Committee on Health and Children today called on the Government to bring the Sale of Alcohol Bill before the Oireachtas as soon as possible.
Ms Shortall had promised to bring forward proposals on the country's alcohol laws before her resignation.
Committee Chairman Jerry Buttimer praised Ms Shortall for her work in the area, paying tribute to her "achievements and commitment during her relatively short time in the Department of Health".
He said the motion calling for the Bill's introduction was timely, not least because of Ms Shortall's resignation but also because today was "being hijacked as a marketing gimmick by a major drinks company".

Ash.J.Williams

om are playing the button factory tonight

Dyr

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

om are playing the button factory tonight

No f**king way. :eek:

Bollix

Ash.J.Williams

Bambi wrote: »

No f**king way. :eek:

Bollix

Nice little Arthurs day free zone!

Dyr

I'm otherwise engaged in a non arthurian event.

Ormus

LordChessington wrote: »

If people have never heard of The Stunning or The Walls, I wouldn't be so fast to put it down to ignorance. I'd put it down to there being too many bands putting "the" at the start of their name.

Seriously, how fcuking unoriginal is this? Do they blindfold themselves, spin around and decide to pluralise the first thing they see while adding "the"? I know that as time goes on, more and more bands are created and therefore, finding an unused name is getting more difficult. But if your name is gonna be unoriginal, how is your music gonna be?

Just by sitting on my arse using my computer, I thought it would be funny if there was a band called The Monitors (they do exist). Theres also a band called The Mice (here). For now, I am gonna copyright the names The Whiteboard, The Teacups and The Tesco Finest Shopping Bag so any upcoming band will have to use their creativity for their name too.

That's highly creative of you. How eagle eyed of you to spot that one of the most common words in the English language is often used in the name of bands.

I've been hearing the same word a lot in song lyrics too, imagine, just goes to show originality is dead.

Brain Stroking

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

om are playing the button factory tonight

Is Joey Barton getting a run?

leakyboots

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I doubt any of the arthurs day bands will be written into music history anyway

I'd say Primal Scream's place is pretty secure on the back of Screamadelica

Gone Drinking

Spanish guy in work said to me earlier "What's the difference between Arthurs day and St Patricks day?"

I had to laugh

rubadub

Nulty wrote: »

Arthurs day is supposed to be promoting Irish music and Guinness

Do guinness actually say this? Somebody else said it was to "promote Irish culture", but do they actually say anything along these lines in any press releases?

LordChessington wrote: »

I am gonna copyright the names The Whiteboard, The Teacups and The Tesco Finest Shopping Bag

google shows a few bands called the teacups. And The Tesco finest shopping bag are in Whelans tonight.

waxon-waxoff

Steve Wall is getting a hard time here and i think he makes a valid point. People are more interested in knocking him than discussing his remarks. The line up is mostly British and the artists are much more popular in the Uk than over here. So not everyone knows the Stunning? Ok well what about Ellie Goulding and Example...... who? One hit wonders both of 'em. Mumford are ok i suppose. Everything about this suggests it was planned overseas in Diageo towers and reinforces the worst Irish stereotypes.

RainMaker

Pint of Beamish please!

WhimSock

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Spanish guy in work said to me earlier "What's the difference between Arthurs day and St Patricks day?"

I had to laugh

A day off.

Stunning fella is right. We should be doing a hell of a lot more to promote Irish bands. This would be a perfect opportunity to.

DebDynamite

rubadub wrote: »

Do guinness actually say this? Somebody else said it was to "promote Irish culture", but do they actually say anything along these lines in any press releases?

Exactly! On the website it says "We’ve invited massive music names and local artists to plug in and play at pubs right across Ireland, all to celebrate the man behind the pint, Arthur Guinness." Nowhere on the website do they claim Arthur's Day is celebrating Irish culture. They are however, supporting Irish entrepreneurs through the Arthur Guinness fund, which is not a bad thing.

Look if you drink Guinness, great - half price Guinness all night! If you don't even like it, don't get sucked into the whole thing of having to raise a glass of Guinness at 5.59pm. Just go out and enjoy some of the international music acts over here for under €20 (when else will you get that?) or head to your local and catch one of the many Irish acts for free, all they while drinking your usual drink.

Where's the problem?

grenache

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I didn't know the guy or his band either, maybe that's why they're not putting his name on the posters!

What cave have you been living in the last 20 years?!

stmol32

starviewadams wrote: »

Just a marketing stunt that people bought into,can't believe it's lasted 3 years now.

I agree, a more worthy event that has grown a lot over the last three years and is not grasping or cynical is culture night (last Friday).

I hope in ten years time this is a fixture in the calender and diageo day is a distant memory.

THall04

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yesterday, 02:33

Who?

I find it ironic that the first criticism of The Stunning's front man (in post number 2) was posted just after....................half past two!







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUfPMDamJg

AlmightyCushion

THall04 wrote: »

I find it ironic that the first criticism of The Stunning's front man (in post number 2) was posted just after....................half past two!







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUfPMDamJg

It wasn't really a criticism, I genuinely didn't have a clue who he or the two bands he were in were. I do recognise that brewing up a storm song someone posted a while back. Didn't even realise that song was made by an Irish band.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Always thought the riff on Brewing Up a Storm was a bit too similar to Don't Fear The Reaper. Did Blue Oyster Cult get a writing credit I wonder?

Optimalprimerib

I myself won't be celebrating Arthur's day. I can't sacrifice 3 days of gastroenteritis for one day of drinking that soup.

batistuta9

Chuileog wrote: »

Ignorance is no excuse. The stunning were huge in the early 90's. Their debut album, Paradise in the Picturehouse, and their second album Once Around The World, both reached the #1 spot in the Irish Albums Chart.

oh wow #1 in in ireland; excuse my ignorance

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

They were a great band. Fact.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

wanna know the rest; buy the the rights...

enfant terrible

LordChessington wrote: »

If people have never heard of The Stunning or The Walls, I wouldn't be so fast to put it down to ignorance. I'd put it down to there being too many bands putting "the" at the start of their name.

Seriously, how fcuking unoriginal is this? Do they blindfold themselves, spin around and decide to pluralise the first thing they see while adding "the"? I know that as time goes on, more and more bands are created and therefore, finding an unused name is getting more difficult. But if your name is gonna be unoriginal, how is your music gonna be?

Just by sitting on my arse using my computer, I thought it would be funny if there was a band called The Monitors (they do exist). Theres also a band called The Mice (here). For now, I am gonna copyright the names The Whiteboard, The Teacups and The Tesco Finest Shopping Bag so any upcoming band will have to use their creativity for their name too.

Danny Dyer's Chocolate Homunculus

ronan45

I went to the pub on the first "Arthurs day" for the bit of crack. But couldnt bring myself to raise the glass and shout "to martha" at 17.59. I just couldnt whore myself out like that
:cool:

cyrusdvirus

dunno if this was done already


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2012/09/27/92-year-old-dublin-man-recalls-first-ever-arthurs-day-back-in-2009/

hatrickpatrick

If Buttimer or any other dictatorial killjoys try to "ban" this event somehow, I say we all do it anyway next year just to give him the finger.

Does the Irish government always have to punish everyone for the actions of some? Any time something goes wrong in this country, the answer is apparently to simply ban it altogether.

Arthur's Day is an excuse to celebrate at an otherwise dreary time of year. Not everyone who does so is going to end up on an A&E trolley and I for one am outraged that the government is even considering trying to screw with it. Leave us responsible people alone and stop trying to wreck our buzz FFS

rubadub

DebDynamite wrote: »

Nowhere on the website do they claim Arthur's Day is celebrating Irish culture.

I thought as much. Looking at the heineken green energy line ups there were not many Irish acts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heineken_Green_Energy

and I don't remember any whinging about it. Why expect guinness to be any different. In other threads the whingers also keep reminding people that guinness is NOT Irish.

fasttalkerchat

grenache wrote: »

What cave have you been living in the last 20 years?!

The name The Walls is vaguely familiar but never heard of The Stunning. I'm only 22 so maybe they were famous when I was too young to listen to music.

Cienciano

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I didn't know the guy or his band either, maybe that's why they're not putting his name on the posters!

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Who?

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Oh yes.
Please forive me. I Just looked at his wikipedia page.


1998 to Present. Man, he and his band has been rocking those major venues and making some serious money the last few .... oh wait.

batistuta9 wrote: »

so he's a member of a one hit wonder band

22 years & counting, some milk outa that

Have we really got to the stage in society that someones point is irrelevant because theyre not famous enough?
(granted almightycushion was probably taking the piss)

YFlyer

LordChessington wrote: »

If people have never heard of The Stunning or The Walls, I wouldn't be so fast to put it down to ignorance. I'd put it down to there being too many bands putting "the" at the start of their name.

Seriously, how fcuking unoriginal is this? Do they blindfold themselves, spin around and decide to pluralise the first thing they see while adding "the"? I know that as time goes on, more and more bands are created and therefore, finding an unused name is getting more difficult. But if your name is gonna be unoriginal, how is your music gonna be?

Just by sitting on my arse using my computer, I thought it would be funny if there was a band called The Monitors (they do exist). Theres also a band called The Mice (here). For now, I am gonna copyright the names The Whiteboard, The Teacups and The Tesco Finest Shopping Bag so any upcoming band will have to use their creativity for their name too.

How about 'The' at the end of their name 'The The'

Pet Shop Boys didn't like been called The Pet Shop Boys

Defiler Of The Coffin

Ye're like this every Arthur's Day

fasttalkerchat

Cienciano wrote: »

Have we really got to the stage in society that someones point is irrelevant because theyre not famous enough?
(granted almightycushion was probably taking the piss)

More famous bands get their name on the posters. If an Irish band was just as good/famous they would probably be on the poster too.