**Spoilers** Series 7, Episode 5 - "The Angels Take Manhatten"

norrie rugger

ríomhaire wrote: »

Wasn't it something like "Amelia's Final Farewell"?

To who though?
River, Rory, Doctor or Normal Life? could mean anything

Doctor DooM

ríomhaire wrote: »

Wasn't it something like "Amelia's Final Farewell"?

That could mean anything, Amelia's final farewell to a puppy she just met, etc. I think that's the point people were trying to make.

Regardless, the logic to this one was a bit rough and unMoffatlike imo.

off.the.walls

He couldn't rescue them because 1 he read their names on the head stones creating 1 fixed point and 2 Amy wrote that they'd never seen each other again. Since he read it thats his future hence why he wouldn't let amy read that book.

Doctor DooM

off.the.walls wrote: »

He couldn't rescue them because 1 he read their names on the head stones creating 1 fixed point and 2 Amy wrote that they'd never seen each other again. Since he read it thats his future hence why he wouldn't let amy read that book.

Once again, they disproved this in the very same episode- the Doctor never broke Rivers hand, despite them reading that.

norrie rugger

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Once again, they disproved this in the very same episode- the Doctor never broke Rivers hand, despite them reading that.

They never said that he did actually break her hand. They had the exact conversation as read from the book, he stopped Amy reading further but that passage played out perfectly as in the book

Wing126

Yeah, Amy said he's going to break "something". Never clarified what that "something" was. The Doctor assumed it was her wrist.

off.the.walls

The quote was "buy why do you have to break mine" i do believe and thats what river said, then BAM broken wrist!

norrie rugger

I definitely River's wrist that they were reading about but Amy never read that the Doctor actually broke her wrist

cloud493

The wrists is never explicitly mentioned in the talking its like 'Whose wrist are you going to break, mine or its?' 'Oh no why do you have to break mine? Cos Amy read it in a book, now I have no choice'

Another timey wimey headache..if the Doctor now supposedly visits little Amelia on the night she waits for him, and tells her of the fantastic adventures they'd have together, surely she'd remember this as an adult then? As in when we meet Amy she should not be angry that the Doctor didn't come for her, because he Did, and he told her they'd travel together in the future. Furthermore she should have memories of being told about certain events in the series while she's living them, eg when she saved the star whale she should know already she'll save it because the Doctor told her as much?

I suppose we get this from Amy's afterword so we don't know what he actually says to her, but we Do see him visit Amelia so at the very least the whole childhood of thinking she was abandoned by him etc shouldn't have happened?

Time travel hurts my head :P

jasonb

It hurts all of our heads, god job it's not real (or is it!).

Like you said, you could argue that the Doctor did visit her, but didn't give her all of those spoilers. And you could also argue that he could visit her, say 'Hi', and then say, 'I'll be back in a few mins', and *then* she has to wait, as he never comes back? It's a leap, but it would fit...

J.

connemara man

Good enough episode, all the wibbly wobbly mess it caused gave me a headache but instead of trying to figure it all out I went with it and just thought the Ponds got a good send of (one they deserved)

bradyle

Just had the heartbreaking realisation that there's no episode tonight!

Wibbs

*bit of an aside* I have to say Matt Smith is growing on me as an actor in the role. TBH (and I mentioned it early on) I didn't find him... let's say comfortable in the role, indeed I AA Gill's critique echoed my own, but IMHO he's come on in major leaps and bounds for me.

K-9

He's good at the comic stuff, though the "shapes" he throws can be a bit jarring at times, but he's come on hugely for the serious, emotional stuff, as did Amy.

pixelburp

Yeah, I remember a lot of criticism at the start that his dramatic acting wasn't much cop & to be fair, he was a little unconformable with that element. Don't think that can still be said, his work lately with the more emotional material has been pretty stellar; he was always brilliant at the comic stuff though.

Mind you, the idea of a multi-Doctor story, featuring Eccles, Tennant & Smith all emoting at each other fills me with some dread

Bubblefett

I don't know if anyone's seen the P.S video (didn't see it mentioned on the thread) but until I watched it I felt like something was missing from the episode. I genuinely felt they'd just forgotten about Rory's Dad.
It's a scene they never got to shoot, something to do with an actor availability. I cried more watching this that The Ponds farewell tbh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zn6ff

SparklersJo

Bubblefett wrote: »

I cried more watching this that The Ponds farewell tbh.

Same.

Thanks for posting

corkie

Caitlin Blackwood, who played kid Amelia Pond, is now 23, which is the same age Karen Gillan was when "The Eleventh Hour" aired

See the photo in reddit link, Karen's cousin and she looks the same as her.