Your opinion on UFC?

Seaneh

Nodin wrote: »

I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion as to what you're on about. Not a clue.

Biggins talking nonsense, well I never...

yore

Personally I don't see much difference between UFC and watching fellas fighting outside the chipper.

Not because of the athletes themselves. I understand it takes skill and dedication, but the way it's marketed and a lot of the people who follow it.

Similarly, I'm not a big fan of pro boxing, but I think amateur boxing is fantastic sport. I'm sure it's similar for kids learning MMA as a sport. But I've no interest in UFC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Oranage2

I like it, though the wrestling element is a bit gay.


A much better sport is X-Arm, it's like a mixture of MMA arm wrestling and chess.

Nodin

yore wrote: »

Similarly, I'm not a big fan of pro boxing, but I think amateur boxing is fantastic sport.

...you'll have to explain that to me.

Crann na Beatha

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yore

Nodin wrote: »

...you'll have to explain that to me.

Pro boxing is a business. Amateur boxing is a sport. Even if you call pro boxing a "sport" it's a different sport.

The purpose of amateur boxing is to be fast and accurate, to hit and not be hit, to score points. The purpose of Pro boxing is to knock the other fella out.

Have you ever seen a tight pro fight where the fellas shake hands with each other and the opposite cornermen after the fight?

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion as to what you're on about. Not a clue.

You'd be surprised.

I know some whats involved in the sport, locks, holds, floor combat tackles and escape methods, etc.

Everyone has their preference though.
Excuse me for having my own!

Gauss

yore wrote: »

Nodin wrote: »

...you'll have to explain that to me.

Pro boxing is a business. Amateur boxing is a sport. Even if you call pro boxing a "sport" it's a different sport.

The purpose of amateur boxing is to be fast and accurate, to hit and not be hit, to score points. The purpose of Pro boxing is to knock the other fella out.

Have you ever seen a tight pro fight where the fellas shake hands with each other and the opposite cornermen after the fight?

They shake hands all the time, not sure about the teams in the corner though.

Rigol

I prefer the really important boxing matches tbh, the mayweathers, tysons etc.
Random tuesday boxing from 2 unknowns is just snooze time however.

So if its big name boxing vs all ufc/mma ....i have to say the boxing. I don't exactly know why. Its kind of like the relatively limited attacks/defences in boxing make it better.
Its like the fact that theres less variety actually improves it, it feels more drawn out and strategic.

I think its that in mma you might get a lucky leg lock or choke after having gone down in points but in boxing theres less chance of an underdog making a freak k.o...you'll have to gradually climb back up with intelligence and planning for the next few rounds.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

You'd be surprised.!

O no - I'd be positively fucking amazed.

Biggins wrote: »

I know some whats involved in the sport, locks, holds, floor combat tackles and escape methods, etc..

Well done you.

Biggins wrote: »

Everyone has their preference though.
Excuse me for having my own!

'I don't like UFC/MMA' = fair enough.

"Prefer boxing or some other more (what I consider) better clearer, more professional martial art sport such as Judo, Sumo or Karate to watch." = stupid statement.

Andy-Pandy

I love MMA,

When i first started watching it I thought the same about the ground game, that it was boring. But over the year's, and after watching hundreds of fight's, i actually enjoy it as much as the standup and if the people involved are particularly skilled, even more so.

I also think it's a good thing that the UFC is dominating it. There is no hiding from other fighters in the world, if you want to say your the best, you have to fight the best in the world.

dave1982

Stupid to compare to gay porn, those who think that must be gay themselves.

MMA is the safest full contact sport in the world.

No recorded deaths in PRO MMA, no brain damage reported yet (sport is young)

Fighters fight the best, there no cushioning fighters the way boxing has done for years.

Nodin

yore wrote: »

Pro boxing is a business. Amateur boxing is a sport. Even if you call pro boxing a "sport" it's a different sport.

The purpose of amateur boxing is to be fast and accurate, to hit and not be hit, to score points. The purpose of Pro boxing is to knock the other fella out.?

The purpose of pro-boxing is to win. The purpose of amateur boxing is to win. The shorter length of the amateur bout makes knockouts less likely.

yore wrote: »

Have you ever seen a tight pro fight where the fellas shake hands with each other and the opposite cornermen after the fight?

Over the 30 plus years I've been watching boxing? Yes, indeed I have.

Nodin

dave1982 wrote: »

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Fighters fight the best, there no cushioning fighters the way boxing has done for years.

Corrupt practices have greatly damaged the sport, particularily at the heavyweight level. Not that you can blame any one individual.


But if you had to.....

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

..."Prefer boxing or some other more (what I consider) better clearer, more professional martial art sport such as Judo, Sumo or Karate to watch." = stupid statement.

Was based on the fact that for 14+ years I have been training and teaching Wado Ryu Karate.
As I am able to spot techniques more based around that sport, I can see cleaner moves/methods/mental approaches in attacking and defence, fainting methods and fighting forms, etc. (And I haven't even mentioned Kata yet either in Karate)
You will note I stated "what I consider" - this being due to my involvement also in another form of combat sport where (for me) pain doesn't have to be a more common side-effect inflicted to actually win points.

Each to their own.

Napper Hawkins

It's pretty gay.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Was based on the fact that for 14+ years I have been training and teaching Wado Ryu Karate.
.............

Its a shame somebody robbed 6 years on you.

I do Wado-Ryu. 20+ years now.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71170813&postcount=153

I believe ye. Honestly.

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

Its a shame somebody robbed 6 years on you.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71170813&postcount=153

I believe ye. Honestly.

Contact Drogheda School Of Karate - head instructor Phil Nulty.
Then come back and try accusing me of being a liar.

Contact details here: http://droghedawado.com/

Some people are fcuking unreal!

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

......

Some people are fcuking unreal!

That they are.

cowzerp

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Sure isn't boxing just two lads throwing fists at each other?

Boxing is extremely technical, punching is what peopel who dont know what they're watching see-the footwork, upperbody movement, blocking, parrying and counter punching is serious stuff

Same can be said about MMA, it is much more skillfull than most think but often lads are weak in certain ares and it can make fights look bad, for example some grapplers have Boxing that is worse than waht you'd see in a boxing gym from Novices but they make up for it in other areas.

Scioch

Biggins wrote: »

Some people are fcuking unreal!

Did you piss in his cornflakes or does he just harbour some sort of manlove for ya that due to his desperate attempts to suppress it manifests itself as hostility ?

adamski8

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

It's pretty gay.

And whats wrong with being gay again??

Tombi!

Never got the appeal of it. It's usually a sort of "hope to connect" or "hope to make the guy submit".
At least in other combat sports there's a sort of strategy. In MMA it's boring to me.

El Guapo!

I'm a massive mma fan. I can't get enough of it.
Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous, but its mainly out of ignorance.
The sport is widely misunderstood by the general public.

It has a reputation as human cock-fighting which is unfair. The sport was born out of an idea to pit all the martial arts against one another and see which one was the best. In the beginning there was no weight classes, no rounds, and very few rules. This is where it's bad image stemmed from. Couple that with bad marketing in the early days, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The sport was struggling and the UFC was sold to the Fertita brothers and Dana White for 2 million dollars. They changed the way the sport operated. Adding rounds, introducing weight classes, and creating a whole host of new rules for fighter safety. They marketed it better, changed people's views of the sport and eventually turned it into a billion dollar industry.

Unfortunately, some people have refused to learn about the sport and instead they keep their prejudiced views against the sport.
It is now infinitely safer than it was in the early days and is now a major mainstream sport. The UFC even recently got a contract with the Fox network which proves its rise in popularity.
I can understand people's confusion when they first watch the sport. Because of the nature of the sport, it involves striking and grappling while standing and while on the ground. For this reason people get bored when a fight goes to the ground and they see it as just two guys rolling around on the floor hugging each other. But when you get a deeper understanding of the sport, you start to realise the skill involved in the ground game.
Fighters struggle to achieve a dominant position while on the ground, where they then have a number of options......they can stand back up, use ground strikes,or try to submit their opponent from that position. Once you understand this and watch the sport more, you start to notice the intricacies of the ground game and it can be fascinating to watch.

Many of the misconceptions surrounding the sport are due to people not understanding it and simply dismissing it as "cock-fighting" or "boring".
If anyone has those views of it, I'd strongly urge you to read about it and watch some classic fights. It might just change your mind.

enfant terrible

Internet Hero wrote: »

Is striking in UFC a science? Or is it just a guy freaking out and smashing somebody's head in? And is bjj a science? Or just a guy trying to snap somebody's arm? Boxing is a science though, like Marvin Hagler v Sugar Ray

You sound like you know alot MMA.

Biggins

Scioch wrote: »

Did you piss in his cornflakes or does he just harbour some sort of manlove for ya that due to his desperate attempts to suppress it manifests itself as hostility ?

Don't know what his problem is but I have contacted a mod to confirm here what I say - by providing evidence to them.

Nodin seems to be very hyper sensitive about this topic.

Nodin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Never got the appeal of it. It's usually a sort of "hope to connect" or "hope to make the guy submit".
At least in other combat sports there's a sort of strategy. In MMA it's boring to me.

O there is a strategy to it, but we don't have the same tradition of wrestling here as they do in the states and a few other countries, so I think a lot of the ground game is lost on most casual observers. Certainly I had barely a bogs notion when I saw it first.

Scioch

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Never got the appeal of it. It's usually a sort of "hope to connect" or "hope to make the guy submit".
At least in other combat sports there's a sort of strategy. In MMA it's boring to me.

You can say that about anything "Walking isnt so much a strategy as sticking one leg out after the other and hoping to gain some momentum".

Of course there is a strategy to it, they dont train for months and go out and do whatever. They know what areas their opponents is strongest and weakest and formulate a game plan based on that. If you know the guy has a weak ground defence you sharpen your takedowns and ground game in training and set out to bring him down. Thats not hoping to submit him, its going out with the aim of doing it.

Nodin

Dean09 wrote: »

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It has a reputation as human cock-fighting which is unfair. .......

I would have gone for "dog fighting" or "bear baiting" meself.

Napper Hawkins

adamski8 wrote: »

And whats wrong with being gay again??

Why? Do you think there's something wrong with being gay?

Micky Dolenz

Biggins wrote: »

Don't know what his problem is but I have contacted a mod to confirm here what I say - by providing evidence to them.

Nodin seems to be very hyper sensitive about this topic.

Mod

I can confirm that Biggins is in fact, this man.

TeddyTedson

UFC is brilliant. I like boxing too, but UFC is a lot more exciting and tactical if you understand what's going on.
It's bigger than boxing now.
I actually like that the UFC have a 95% market share of MMA. Its all the different organisations that contributed to the fall of boxing.
UFC is the present and future of combat sports.

Biggins

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

I can confirm that Biggins is in fact, this man.

I'd be so lucky!

Tombi!

Nodin wrote: »

O there is a strategy to it, but we don't have the same tradition of wrestling here as they do in the states and a few other countries, so I think a lot of the ground game is lost on most casual observers. Certainly I had barely a bogs notion when I saw it first.

Not saying there's no strategy. But it's not obvious to me. Hence as a casual fan I'd lose interest in it quickly.

Scioch wrote: »

You can say that about anything "Walking isnt so much a strategy as sticking one leg out after the other and hoping to gain some momentum".

Of course there is a strategy to it, they dont train for months and go out and do whatever. They know what areas their opponents is strongest and weakest and formulate a game plan based on that. If you know the guy has a weak ground defence you sharpen your takedowns and ground game in training and set out to bring him down. Thats not hoping to submit him, its going out with the aim of doing it.

True but then again like I said above, the strategy is lost on me. At the end of the day it just seems like two lads trying to get one another on the ground to make them tap out. Which I'd rather watch something like judo since I'd find it more entertaining.

TeddyTedson

Is Nodin trolling Biggins :eek:

Biggins

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Is Nodin trolling Biggins :eek:

Naa. Just being far over hyper-sensitive when someone don't like his favoured sport.
My ex-wife was never even that bitchy! LOL

Scar Tissue

I haven't gotten the foggiest clue about F1/Soccer/GAA so when a thread comes up about it I don't go in giving my opinion on something I know nothing about...

For those saying MMA is 'gay', that there's little strategy involved etc are really misinformed imo, these are probably of the same mentality that when fighters are in the clinch they're just 'hugging'. Of course there's strategy involved in everything they do and the years of training/dedication/skill needed to get to such a level is quite impressive.

Never got the appeal of it. It's usually a sort of "hope to connect" or "hope to make the guy submit".
At least in other combat sports there's a sort of strategy.

Jesus wept.

Micky Dolenz

Dean09 wrote: »

I'm a massive mma fan. I can't get enough of it.
Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous, but its mainly out of ignorance.
The sport is widely misunderstood by the general public.

It has a reputation as human cock-fighting which is unfair. The sport was born out of an idea to pit all the martial arts against one another and see which one was the best. In the beginning there was no weight classes, no rounds, and very few rules. This is where it's bad image stemmed from. Couple that with bad marketing in the early days, and you have a recipe for disaster.

The sport was struggling and the UFC was sold to the Fertita brothers and Dana White for 2 million dollars. They changed the way the sport operated. Adding rounds, introducing weight classes, and creating a whole host of new rules for fighter safety. They marketed it better, changed people's views of the sport and eventually turned it into a billion dollar industry.

Unfortunately, some people have refused to learn about the sport and instead they keep their prejudiced views against the sport.
It is now infinitely safer than it was in the early days and is now a major mainstream sport. The UFC even recently got a contract with the Fox network which proves its rise in popularity.
I can understand people's confusion when they first watch the sport. Because of the nature of the sport, it involves striking and grappling while standing and while on the ground. For this reason people get bored when a fight goes to the ground and they see it as just two guys rolling around on the floor hugging each other. But when you get a deeper understanding of the sport, you start to realise the skill involved in the ground game.
Fighters struggle to achieve a dominant position while on the ground, where they then have a number of options......they can stand back up, use ground strikes,or try to submit their opponent from that position. Once you understand this and watch the sport more, you start to notice the intricacies of the ground game and it can be fascinating to watch.

Many of the misconceptions surrounding the sport are due to people not understanding it and simply dismissing it as "cock-fighting" or "boring".
If anyone has those views of it, I'd strongly urge you to read about it and watch some classic fights. It might just change your mind.

Heh, you said cock fighting, a couple of times :P

Biggins

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

I can confirm that Biggins is in fact, this man.

I'm more like one of these before I grew older and grey hair set in: http://imageshack.us/a/img825/9118/31078929823731018697626.jpg

Micky Dolenz

Biggins wrote: »

I'm more like one of these before I grew older and grey hair set in: http://imageshack.us/a/img825/9118/31078929823731018697626.jpg

You don't have anything to prove.

Nodin, Biggins is going to kick your ass.

Biggins

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You don't have anything to prove.

Nodin, Biggins is going to kick your ass.

Prefer to go on the piss with him - I could watch his back!

(Hopefully he'd watch mine!)

ArtyM

I used to be a big fan of boxing but in all fairness it has done itself some real damage, particularly in the heavyweight divisions.
So many different belts, and so many incredibly overhyped non events sold to us for ridiculous pay per view fees where 'fighters' mouth off for months only to turn up on the night and hardly throw a punch at all. Of course people are going to turn away.
Ultimately, these are entertainment sports. The market is there and as long as you entertain it, people will watch.
I think the problem in ufc and mmc is that when you mix the grappling of bjj etc, the entertainment disappears (except for the purists of course who can appreciate the skill behind the moves) - to the rest of us watching it just looks like 2 guys wrestling on the ground, which is boring.
I think boxing has a tough future ahead. As was stated earlier the ufc guys fight every couple of months, plus they fight the best available contender (not some patsy they know they can beat), and they do actually fight.

P.s. I also like Boobies, can we add that to the Poll?

Remmy

I'm a bit of a fair weather mma fan. I would only watch (By watch I mean stream:pac:) the main headline fights. Having said that I think boxing is much better to watch.

Micky Dolenz

Biggins wrote: »

Prefer to go on the piss with him - I could watch his back!

(Hopefully he'd watch mine!)

You'd watch his back first and then he'd watch yours?

Mental image I did not need, :P

Biggins

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You'd watch his back first and then he'd watch yours?

Mental image I did not need, :P

He might show me some grappling moves!

YIKES!!!

Cee-Jay-Cee

I like their Zinger burgers, they're the perfect hangover cure.

Peetrik

The few times I've trained MMA I've enjoyed it but TBH I find it fairly boring to watch. Bit like snooker/pool, happy enough to play a few games but wouldn't be too keen on sitting down and watching other people play it.

I'd prefer to watch MMA than boxing but I'd be much happier to watch stand up striking (Thai/K1) as its a lot more entertaining than either MMA/Boxing.

Ristiano Conaldo

Never tried them before, no problems with Eircom.

1ZRed

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

It's pretty gay.

FYP.

But I know you try to repress that way of thinking :P

Napper Hawkins

1ZRed wrote: »

FYP.

But I know you try to repress that way of thinking :P

Oh sthop it you!