Oscars 2013

Soby

Prob the best place to ask (effort of PM'ing a mod) , any reason why Flight (and Lincoln) have no threads yet ?

Sad Professor

Lincoln thread is here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69113263

I could have swore there was a thread for Flight as well but I can't find it. The new search is unreliable so doesn't mean it's not there. Start a new one if you like. Both films aren't out for another couple of weeks which is why there's not much discussion of them at the moment.

Mervyn Crawford

Bigelow's rationalisation of her support for torture and war. Please read:

http://wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/18/bige-j18.html

adox

Mervyn Crawford wrote: »

Bigelow's rationalisation of her support for torture and war. Please read:

http://wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/18/bige-j18.html

Jaysus got half way through and had to give up. An article written with a clear agenda against Bigelow and the authors interpretation of every staggered line of quotation.

In th first half of the hugely biased and one sided article, when I could eventually stumble across a Bigelow quote, I saw no mention of her support for torture and war.

I'd like to read the Bigelow interview somewhere in its entirety and make up my own mind, not this preachy biased tripe.

SarahBM

Ok, I caved and I went to see silver linings playbook in Cineworld (still annoyed at the price!) - great film. Really enjoyed it. Love Di Niro in it.
Saw the ad for Lincoln for the first time, looking forward to that Nxt wk. Seems like I'm gonna be spending most of Feb in the cinema

dark crystal

ERPR wrote: »

Argo will win the best film thus covering Ben Affleck's snub- I happen to think Argo is just alright

Kinski wrote: »

Typically, the Academy awards Best Director and Best Picture to the same film. Though this doesn't always happen, I think the absence of Affleck, Tarantino and Bigelow from the director's category doesn't bode well for their respective films' chances of scooping the big one.

Argo has just won Best Film and Ben Affleck has won Best Director at the Producers Guild of America awards:

http://www.digitalspy.ie/movies/s188/homeland/news/a454117/argo-homeland-win-at-producers-guild-of-america-awards-2013.html

Says in the article that the film that walks away with the PGA award typically wins Best Picture at the Oscars too.

With Affleck winning Best Director at both the Golden Globes and now the PGA's, it makes his Oscars snub all the more puzzling. Add to that, his nomination for Best Director at the Director's Guild of America awards, one has to wonder what the guy's done to p!ss off the Academy!

Good article here about some of the reasons why both he and Kathryn Bigelow may have been omitted..

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/movies/awardsseason/directors-guild-vs-oscars-an-unusual-year.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

krudler

Mervyn Crawford wrote: »

Bigelow's rationalisation of her support for torture and war. Please read:

http://wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/18/bige-j18.html

if you think Zero Dark Thirty is a movie supporting torture you were watching the wrong film, that article is absolute waffle. Is Steven Spielberg supporting slavery by showing slavery on film? Nope.

johnny_ultimate

Half the articles I've read against Zero Dark Thirty seem to be by people who either haven't seen or have completely misunderstood the film. I read a feature in Sight & Sound last night comparing it to a consequence free shoot 'em up - a reading so off the mark even the editor of the magazine expresses his strong disagreement with it. It's as if people desperately want it to be be a piece of pro-military jingoism so they can get all righteous about it. ZDT is not that film, by a long shot. I really struggle to marry the outrage with the content I saw last night.

The Pontiac

ZDT was the one film from the Oscar nominations I choose not to watch, due to what I read online. Think I'll watch it later this evening now.

Reebrock

spank_inferno wrote: »

I don't get all the hate for McFarlane.

The guy is funny, charming and a great singer.
He looks good & is at ease in front of the camera.

I think he will do well.

Besides.... it can't be Billy Crystal forever.

Good choice I think. Expecting good things.

johnny_ultimate

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Half the articles I've read against Zero Dark Thirty seem to be by people who either haven't seen or have completely misunderstood the film. I read a feature in Sight & Sound last night comparing it to a consequence free shoot 'em up - a reading so off the mark even the editor of the magazine expresses his strong disagreement with it. It's as if people desperately want it to be be a piece of pro-military jingoism so they can get all righteous about it. ZDT is not that film, by a long shot. I really struggle to marry the outrage with the content I saw last night.

The fact that many of these articles appeared before there had even been any screenings says all you need to know about the validity of them. The protestors at the premiere and other screenings much like those behind the negative articles really come across as idiots. It's clear that a lot of people desperately wanted the film to come out and say "torture is great" simply so they could get up on their high horse and spout nonsense. Hell when I mentioned seeing the film in a post on Facebook the first reply was "I'd never pay to see disgusting pro torture propaganda and really you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a film that trues to legitimise an evil cabal businessmen who saw war as the easiest way to get at their previous black hold. Bigalow should if there is any just in the world be prosecutors for war crimes given how she tries to justify torture."

I had a long thought out reply to him but decided to simply hide all his posts and infirm him that he is an idiot.

SarahBM

Saw Argo today, thoroughly enjoyed it. Looking forward to Lincoln 2moro. hope it lives up to the hype.

krudler

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Half the articles I've read against Zero Dark Thirty seem to be by people who either haven't seen or have completely misunderstood the film. I read a feature in Sight & Sound last night comparing it to a consequence free shoot 'em up - a reading so off the mark even the editor of the magazine expresses his strong disagreement with it. It's as if people desperately want it to be be a piece of pro-military jingoism so they can get all righteous about it. ZDT is not that film, by a long shot. I really struggle to marry the outrage with the content I saw last night.

I don't get it either, it's not a pro-torture piece by any means

JP Liz V1

Argo also won best cast ensemble last night at the SAG awards

pajunior

It's been a long long time since a movie has won best picture without the director being nominated for best director. This would suggest Argo has a very slim chance of winning best picture.

Sad Professor

I hope Argo doesn't win Best Picture just so I don't have to watch one of Affleck's co-producers make a dig at the audience for not nominating Affleck.

johnny_ultimate

I hope Argo doesn't win best picture because at least four or five of the other nominees are superior and much more interesting films :P

Slightly O/T, but Ebert posted up a scan of Variety in 1941 musing about Oscar nominations. Amazing it still consumes so many film journalists and analysts 70 years later!

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/predicting-the-1941-oscars.html

JP Liz V1

Sad Professor wrote: »

I hope Argo doesn't win Best Picture just so I don't have to watch one of Affleck's co-producers make a dig at the audience for not nominating Affleck.

That's why I want it win

Jimdagym

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I hope Argo doesn't win best picture because at least four or five of the other nominees are superior and much more interesting films :P

Its funny, I thought it standout best of all 9. Intersteingly, powers have made Argo odds-on fav. Lincoln had been odds on since last summer.

blue note

Are we allowed to talk about Oscar odds here? Sure a mod can delete it and lynch me if necessary.

I threw away €19.50 yesterday in the following way

Django - best original screenplay - €5 @ 2/1
Ang Lee - best director - €5 @ 6/1
Michael Hanke - best director - €5 @ 12/1
Life of Pi - best Picture - €2.50 @ 40/1
Amour - best picture - €2 @ 66/1

delbertgrady

Ah, the great Lincoln vs. Argo debate.
One is set at a key time in American history, juxtaposing the protagonist's complicated relationship with his wife and son alongside his duty to his country. A great insight into the machinations of Washington. Impeccable production design, brilliant cinematography, great supporting performances and a masterwork of creating tension, even though we all know what the outcome is before we even enter the cinema.
The other film is Lincoln.

e_e

Wouldn't complain if either Lincoln or Argo won, just so long as it isn't the bland, obvious and uncinematic Zero Dark Thirty.

Django and Amour are clearly the best in that category though.

Da Shins Kelly

I'd love to see Django win for the craic.

delbertgrady

Lincoln was the favourite for Best Picture, but that has now changed. Argo has now won the Golden Globe, the SAG cast award (their equivalent of Best Picture, effectively) and the PGA Best Picture. As Donald Clarke pointed out in his Irish Times blog, these are very strong indicators that it could get the Oscar - the latter in particular - since the last five winners of the PGA went on to get the Academy Award for Best Picture.

FortuneChip

Argo at 10/1!!!
I had given up hope at the start of the month, but now that it's favourite I'm nervous as hell!

FortuneChip

Affleck has picked up the Directors Guild Award as well.
Argo is 4/11 for Best Picture now.

Regardless of general opinion, I can't understand how he's picked up practically EVERY award without even getting a Nomination from the Academy.

dark crystal

FortuneChip wrote: »

Affleck has picked up the Directors Guild Award as well.
Argo is 4/11 for Best Picture now.

Regardless of general opinion, I can't understand how he's picked up practically EVERY award without even getting a Nomination from the Academy.

It's becoming rather embarrassing for the Academy now. Affleck is only the third director in the DGA's 65 year history to have won without a corresponding Oscar nomination.

It'll be interesting to see how it does at the BAFTA's next week, as he is favourite to win there too.

Da Shins Kelly

FortuneChip wrote: »

Affleck has picked up the Directors Guild Award as well.
Argo is 4/11 for Best Picture now.

Regardless of general opinion, I can't understand how he's picked up practically EVERY award without even getting a Nomination from the Academy.

I don't really understand exactly how the voting works, but I would have thought there was some overlap in voters for the different awards? If there is, it makes it even more puzzling that he didn't get an Oscar nomination.

johnny_ultimate

There's a decent article here examining the seeming discrepancy between the Academy and other organisations: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/movies/awardsseason/directors-guild-vs-oscars-an-unusual-year.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Interesting section about how the changing make-up of the director's branch of the Academy would have favoured the likes of Haneke or Zeitlin (and while I think Beasts... was really impressive if a little rough around the edges, it's really encouraging to see such an imaginative, boldly directed debut feature receive such unexpected nominations).

In recent years death has claimed senior members of the branch, including many who were known for sophisticated mainstream films like those just made by Mr. Affleck and Ms. Bigelow. Among branch members who have died since 2008 are Sydney Pollack, Tony Scott, John Hughes, Blake Edwards and Sidney Lumet.

Studio types all, they have been replaced in the branch in recent years almost entirely by foreign-speaking or indie-oriented directors. Those to whom membership was offered lately include the brothers Jean-Pierre Dardenne and Luc Dardenne; Philippe Falardeau; Rodrigo Garcia; Michel Hazanavicius; Michaël Roskam; Wong Kar Wai; Gregg Araki; Neil Burger; Yojiro Takita; Jacques Audiard; and Lone Scherfig.

JP Liz V1

Bafta are continuing the love for Affleck and Argo with best picture and director wins

mike65

Its going to be Argo isn't it?

FortuneChip

mike65 wrote: »

Its going to be Argo isn't it?

I won't claim to know much about how the voting works, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Academy gave Best Picture to something other than Argo to back up their "snub" with regards to the Best Director nominations.

I hope that's not the case, for entirely selfish reasons

Irish Aris

Last time a film won best picture without the director been nominated was Driving Miss Daisy back in 1989.
I wouldn't be surprised if Argo won, this now looks like an open race for best picture.

SarahBM

I would put Argo and Flight on the same level.

charlie_says

delbertgrady wrote: »

Ah, the great Lincoln vs. Argo debate.
One is set at a key time in American history, juxtaposing the protagonist's complicated relationship with his wife and son alongside his duty to his country. A great insight into the machinations of Washington. Impeccable production design, brilliant cinematography, great supporting performances and a masterwork of creating tension, even though we all know what the outcome is before we even enter the cinema.
The other film is Lincoln.

Hahah, nice one.

JP Liz V1

Seems there will be lots of musical numbers this year as they are celebrating musicals and Bond

SarahBM

it's nearly here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCITEMENT!!!!

AllWasWell

Anyone know what channel its on over here and what time?

adox

AllWasWell wrote: »

Anyone know what channel its on over here and what time?

Usually on one of the Sky Movies channels and usually the early hours of the morning.

delbertgrady

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Seems there will be lots of musical numbers this year as they are celebrating musicals and Bond

Yeah. Much is being made of the fact that Barbra Streisand is performing, as she's not sung at the Oscars for thirty-five years or something. I'm predicting she'll sing The Way We Were in tribute to the great Marvin Hamlisch, who died last year.

SparkySpitfire

I don't have sky, is there anywhere to watch it online tomorrow night rather than waiting for the butchered version RTE will have to offer?

dark crystal

delbertgrady wrote: »

Yeah. Much is being made of the fact that Barbra Streisand is performing, as she's not sung at the Oscars for thirty-five years or something. I'm predicting she'll sing The Way We Were in tribute to the great Marvin Hamlisch, who died last year.

Ooh Barbara - brilliant!

Wish I could watch this live

SarahBM

Sky channel 303 is the Oscars channel. red carpet starts at 11:30 and awards show starts at 1:30am.

I CANNOT WAIT!!! Popcorn at the ready!

delbertgrady

What I want to know is, how many James Bonds will appear?
Will it be Connery or Brosnan (or both) who spoil the party?

dark crystal

delbertgrady wrote: »

What I want to know is, how many James Bonds will appear?
Will it be Connery or Brosnan (or both) who spoil the party?

Brosnan has already hinted he won't be taking part...

http://www.digitalspy.ie/movies/news/a457984/pierce-brosnan-refusing-to-take-part-in-james-bond-oscars-reunion.html

I wouldn't blame him either, tbh.

JP Liz V1

delbertgrady wrote: »

What I want to know is, how many James Bonds will appear?
Will it be Connery or Brosnan (or both) who spoil the party?

I hope all of them

I really hope there is one surprise/shock win tonight many seem to predict it will be De Niro for supporting actor but I'd love Joaquin Phoenix to take best actor over DDL even though he seems a lock, JLaw seems to be favourite now to take best actress award with Anne Hathaway a lock for best supporting actress

funnights74

funnights74 wrote: »

any links to the broadcast? no sky movies here

Against the charter to link to illegal streaming sites.

SparkySpitfire

funnights74 wrote: »

any links to the broadcast? no sky movies here

I'm going to my friend's who has sky, hope someone PMs you a link or you find one yourself!

krudler

funnights74 wrote: »

any links to the broadcast? no sky movies here

know anyone that has? if you have a smartphone or laptop download sky go and ask someone for their sign in details, can watch it that way.

johnny_ultimate

No requests for or links to illegal streaming sites please.

Although rather amazed the Academy are requesting thirty dollars for it. Crazy stuff. Award ceremonies are second only to press conferences as the most painfully dull live events to watch.