question of teachers

cena

I have a question. If you had a student who had learning difficulties, yOU KNOW that the parents can't afford to get help for there child.

Would you be welling to pay for there help. Lets go back to the early 90's when there was no classroom assistant like there is now.

spurious

I would get the parents to send the child to a school where he/she would be catered for. Why isn't the child being helped in their present school?
None of the parents of the children I teach have to pay for their child to get help.
Or did I misunderstand the question?

cena

spurious wrote: »

I would get the parents to send the child to a school where he/she would be catered for. Why isn't the child being helped in their present school?
None of the parents of the children I teach have to pay for their child to get help.
Or did I misunderstand the question?

Well sort of. I'm speaking as you been a teacher in the early 90's without classroom assistant like todays age.

seavill

What help are you talking about? An SNA is department paid, no parent pays for one.

Help outside of school? what has that got to do with the classroom teacher.

I'm also confused by what you are asking

cena

seavill wrote: »

What help are you talking about? An SNA is department paid, no parent pays for one.

Help outside of school? what has that got to do with the classroom teacher.

I'm also confused by what you are asking

No help during school time. Lets say reading.

I had a teacher in the early 90's that paid for a remedial teacher for me to come in once a week to help me with my reading etc.

Would teachers do this for students anymore or even when you where teaching in the 90's

seavill

How do you know the teacher paid as a matter of interest?

We had a , as they were called at the time, "remedial" teacher shared between our school and a neighbouring school at the same time but they were department paid, maybe the school paid?

I can't see a case where any teacher would pay out of their own pocket for this, schools have budgets, if there was a case in our school today we would approach management to see what can be done

Juniorhurler

I would often give students who are struggling extra lessons on my own free time. No way would I pay for extra lessons, I hardly earn enough to look after my own family, never mind starting to fork out cash like this. As seavill said, I would approach the special educational needs dept. in the school and have the student assessed and let them get help for him/her.

cena

seavill wrote: »

How do you know the teacher paid as a matter of interest?

We had a , as they were called at the time, "remedial" teacher shared between our school and a neighbouring school at the same time but they were department paid, maybe the school paid?

I can't see a case where any teacher would pay out of their own pocket for this, schools have budgets, if there was a case in our school today we would approach management to see what can be done

He told my parents at the time. I also had test done with brothers of charity when I was younger. Even when I was 20 in secondary They came out to the school a few times just to check on me

seavill

cena wrote: »

He told my parents at the time.

I'm not calling him a liar or anything but even in the 90s remedial teachers were sanctioned by the Department and paid by the department for a school and whoever neeeded help was given it.
Any school I have ever heard of had one or had access to one.

Maybe for some reason your school could not get one, I don't know but it sounds very strange to me I have certainly never heard of it, and have come from a family full of teachers both primary and secondary over the decades

cena

seavill wrote: »

I'm not calling him a liar or anything but even in the 90s remedial teachers were sanctioned by the Department and paid by the department for a school and whoever neeeded help was given it.
Any school I have ever heard of had one or had access to one.

Maybe for some reason your school could not get one, I don't know but it sounds very strange to me I have certainly never heard of it, and have come from a family full of teachers both primary and secondary over the decades

She was a teacher from a different school

km79

cena wrote: »

seavill wrote: »

I'm not calling him a liar or anything but even in the 90s remedial teachers were sanctioned by the Department and paid by the department for a school and whoever neeeded help was given it.
Any school I have ever heard of had one or had access to one.

Maybe for some reason your school could not get one, I don't know but it sounds very strange to me I have certainly never heard of it, and have come from a family full of teachers both primary and secondary over the decades

She was a teacher from a different school

A teacher from a different school came into you DURING school time .....and your teacher paid for this ...... Really .....

cena

km79 wrote: »

A teacher from a different school came into you DURING school time .....and your teacher paid for this ...... Really .....

I aint lieing unless my parents are

seavill

km79 wrote: »

A teacher from a different school came into you DURING school time .....and your teacher paid for this ...... Really .....

Again I don't want to sound like I am calling someone I don't know, in a situation I know nothing about, a liar but I have just never heard of it before.

As I said before you followed up with more detail I know in the 90s particularly in smaller country school and possibly smaller town schools remedial teachers were shared between schools and would travel between them, one I know covered 3 schools. Their hours would be split obviously but these teachers were definitely department teachers, a lot of them were classroom teachers who chose to do this for a change.

cena

seavill wrote: »

Again I don't want to sound like I am calling someone I don't know, in a situation I know nothing about, a liar but I have just never heard of it before.

As I said before you followed up with more detail I know in the 90s particularly in smaller country school and possibly smaller town schools remedial teachers were shared between schools and would travel between them, one I know covered 3 schools. Their hours would be split obviously but these teachers were definitely department teachers, a lot of them were classroom teachers who chose to do this for a change.

I'm not a teacher so I don't no the ins and outs of these things

rainbowtrout

cena wrote: »

I'm not a teacher so I don't no the ins and outs of these things

Sorry, I know what you were told, but there's no way a teacher was paying for another teacher to teach you on a one to one basis, regardless of when this happened. It just doesn't happen. Why would one teacher be paying another teacher's wages?

It's most likely that a remedial teacher was shared between schools at the time and you got some of that time.

seavill

cena wrote: »

I'm not a teacher so I don't no the ins and outs of these things

As I said I was in primary in the 90s also, but I do know how our remedial teacher worked anyway, just speaking from experience there. The remedial teacher travelled between schools as the schools were too small for her to get full hours doing it in one place.

I mentioned it earlier that nowadays anyway myself or any other member of staff would go to the Learning Support coordinator or even principal if we felt there was a issue that needed help. If the student was entitled to help the school would apply for it. if it was still not granted the school would organise within the staff, as it within the current resource supply to get the child help. I would assume it worked the same way back in the 90s but in reality no one will know only the people involved.
Maybe there was a reason why the teacher had to pay, I have no idea. Maybe older (sorry more experienced) teachers may know about issues that there were at the time.

Can I ask why you are asking this?

rainbowtrout

cena wrote: »

He told my parents at the time. I also had test done with brothers of charity when I was younger. Even when I was 20 in secondary They came out to the school a few times just to check on me

This may have been said as 'I'm (meaning 'we, the school') getting in a teacher to help cena with her reading'. It might just have been picked up wrong.

cena

seavill wrote: »

As I said I was in primary in the 90s also, but I do know how our remedial teacher worked anyway, just speaking from experience there. The remedial teacher travelled between schools as the schools were too small for her to get full hours doing it in one place.

I mentioned it earlier that nowadays anyway myself or any other member of staff would go to the Learning Support coordinator or even principal if we felt there was a issue that needed help. If the student was entitled to help the school would apply for it. if it was still not granted the school would organise within the staff, as it within the current resource supply to get the child help. I would assume it worked the same way back in the 90s but in reality no one will know only the people involved.
Maybe there was a reason why the teacher had to pay, I have no idea. Maybe older (sorry more experienced) teachers may know about issues that there were at the time.

Can I ask why you are asking this?

I just want to see what teachers are like to help there students

cena

rainbowtrout wrote: »

This may have been said as 'I'm (meaning 'we, the school') getting in a teacher to help cena with her reading'. It might just have been picked up wrong.

I'm a guy:D

seavill

cena wrote: »

I just want to see what teachers are like to help there students

In all reality the majority, if not all teachers will go far and beyond the class time to help their students.
Whether that is meeting with NEPS, filling out forms to apply for assistance, applying for help from local organisations outside of the school like school completion, st vincent de paul etc. , giving extra time after school, before school, lunch times etc. doing whatever needs to be done.
Paying for another person to come in out of your own pocket when the department will pay for this is a completely different thing
and to be honest I personally don't think teachers should be expected to part with their pay to pay another person to do that job.

There is loads of extra help that is given to many students day in day out in every single school however what you are talking about is a completely differnent story.
I would imagine that as was said already it was a misunderstanding or was taken up the wrong way. More than likely it was the school that paid for it if it was not department paid, and this is what the teacher meant.

cena

seavill wrote: »

In all reality the majority, if not all teachers will go far and beyond the class time to help their students.
Whether that is meeting with NEPS, filling out forms to apply for assistance, applying for help from local organisations outside of the school like school completion, st vincent de paul etc. , giving extra time after school, before school, lunch times etc. doing whatever needs to be done.
Paying for another person to come in out of your own pocket when the department will pay for this is a completely different thing
and to be honest I personally don't think teachers should be expected to part with their pay to pay another person to do that job.

There is loads of extra help that is given to many students day in day out in every single school however what you are talking about is a completely differnent story.
I would imagine that as was said already it was a misunderstanding or was taken up the wrong way. More than likely it was the school that paid for it if it was not department paid, and this is what the teacher meant.

It was a very small country school. Now closed down.

rainbowtrout

cena wrote: »

I just want to see what teachers are like to help there students

I'd agree with seavill. If a student of mine needs help, I'll give them extra time at lunchtime or after school or whatever, or mention it to the deputy principal if he has any spare resource hours that could be given to a student. Or in the case of exam classes, if I know a student finds it hard to get money together to pay for exam papers/won't get it at home, I'll give them one of my old sets as I usually get a free copy and photocopy the previous years paper that might be missing from it and let them keep them.

But I'm not about to start paying the wage of another teacher if a student needs extra help. That is not my duty and the insinuation from your post cena is that perhaps we should be going that far, which we are in no way obliged to. Most teachers will go the extra mile for a student but they shouldn't be expected to finance their education, regardless of their situation.

If you needed a medical procedure, would you expect your doctor to pay for it for you if you didn't have the money?

cena

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I'd agree with seavill. If a student of mine needs help, I'll give them extra time at lunchtime or after school or whatever, or mention it to the deputy principal if he has any spare resource hours that could be given to a student. Or in the case of exam classes, if I know a student finds it hard to get money together to pay for exam papers/won't get it at home, I'll give them one of my old sets as I usually get a free copy and photocopy the previous years paper that might be missing from it and let them keep them.

But I'm not about to start paying the wage of another teacher if a student needs extra help. That is not my duty and the insinuation from your post cena is that perhaps we should be going that far, which we are in no way obliged to. Most teachers will go the extra mile for a student but they shouldn't be expected to finance their education, regardless of their situation.

[B]If you needed a medical procedure, would you expect your doctor to pay for it for you if you didn't have the money?

No that not the teachers job. Also it was the headmaster that did this for me the school only had two teachers

seavill

I agree it did come across that way a little bit but I'm not sure if that is what cena was trying to say.

Anyway, we all know that within the school, within the class 99.99% of teachers will do everything they can to help the kids.

Like rainbowtrout said we have probably all at some stage, given away our exam papers to the fella that couldnt afford it, given away our pens, pencils, copies, gone and found a jacket in the lost and found for someone, been on a trip and quietly handed one of the kids a few euro to buy lunch when they didnt have any money. All this would be done regularly across the country, most of it on the quiet where the other kids know nothing about it.

To answer your original question, As for paying for another teacher to come in, I would probably to safe to say that this never happens anywhere, the school always has resources and money available to help with books etc. along with the help of SVP etc. Everything will be done wihtin schools to get department sanctioned help for a student that needs it and if that cannot be obtained, every school will find time somewhere or space within a resource class to get extra help if needed.

In relation to your last edit posted while I was typing, if it was the headmaster that actually siad I have paid for X for this student, the I was definitely referring to the school not the individual.

cena

seavill wrote: »

I agree it did come across that way a little bit but I'm not sure if that is what cena was trying to say.

Anyway, we all know that within the school, within the class 99.99% of teachers will do everything they can to help the kids.

Like rainbowtrout said we have probably all at some stage, given away our exam papers to the fella that couldnt afford it, given away our pens, pencils, copies, gone and found a jacket in the lost and found for someone, been on a trip and quietly handed one of the kids a few euro to buy lunch when they didnt have any money. All this would be done regularly across the country, most of it on the quiet where the other kids know nothing about it.

To answer your original question, As for paying for another teacher to come in, I would probably to safe to say that this never happens anywhere, the school always has resources and money available to help with books etc. along with the help of SVP etc. Everything will be done wihtin schools to get department sanctioned help for a student that needs it and if that cannot be obtained, every school will find time somewhere or space within a resource class to get extra help if needed.

In relation to your last edit posted while I was typing, if it was the headmaster that actually siad I have paid for X for this student, the I was definitely referring to the school not the individual.

That could be it. It was very nice of him. He didn't have to do that for me.