Could this work in Ireland?

Youssef Chippo

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dutch-city-puts-jobless-back-041054464.html

I think this would be a good idea, it would give the unemployed people who want to work a sense of purpose and it would also weed out the spongers.

Myrddin

Jesus

starviewadams

Would a broken link work in Ireland?does it work in Holland?!

TwoShedsJackson

Page won't load but I presume it's another 'make them all sweep the streets or do other scut-work!!' load of crap?

Thrill

New link please.

EDIT: found it.......

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/dutch-city-puts-jobless-back-031050833--finance.html

Chuck Stone

What a novel idea!

I, for one, think this wonderful new idea will be welcomed by all and implemented swiftly.

Youssef Chippo

Link fixed

Noel Dempseys Den

Meanwhile, the OP at his day job..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF1B48Y85J4

TeddyTedson

What would the Council street sweeping staff do?

DEFTLEFTHAND

It would never work here, the Irish would steadfast refuse any such proposal. The Dutch seem to be taking to it though, I like how they built around the idea of serving your community and giving something in return for state assistance. Gives people a sense of self worth and purpose, especially when coupled with educational and back to work schemes.

starviewadams

Dutch seem to be getting more money for it too.

€830 as opposed to €752 here for a single person and €1200 for someone with a family.

Pretty sure if they offered such a scheme here the majority of unemployed folks would sign up for it.But nah,we prefer if someone would work full time at no expense to a multinational company to get vital experience stacking shelves for an extra €50 on a Jobridge scheme.

who_me

I like the theory. If you can't find or create a job, the state will create one for you, instead of giving you money to do nothing. It would make it more difficult to sponge on the dole.

In practice... it might cost more that it's worth to administer. I'm not sure how productive anyone would be, who is only in the job because it's compulsory. And it would be shot down before it ever left the ground..

TeddyTedson

Let's get prisoners working the chain gang first before we make people who've lost their jobs pick up rubbish.

Have prisoners filling in potholes during the middle of the night around the capital.

Ellis Dee

We already have something like this in Ireland. Just look at all the "charity shops", for instance. My brother, who never missed a day's work in decades, found himself unemployed along with thousands of others when the developer who employed him went bust.:eek:

He would immediately take a job suiting his skills if he could find one, but the dole people have now forced him to take a make-believe job in a charity shop, which employs about five others plus a couple of volunteers and probably gets about 20 customers a day. He spent last week at a course in Portlaoise learning how to lift boxes! If he hasn't figured that out by his mid-50s, I doubt if he'll learn it at a course like that.:rolleyes:

Why don't our leaders in Dublin out-Dutch the Dutch and introduce some really innovative job creation schemes?

Like, say, banning washing machines so that we can all take in each other's washing.:rolleyes:

And why stop there? They might as well go the whole hog and introduce slavery.;)

ScumLord

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What would the Council street sweeping staff do?

They'd be replaced by this scheme. I think it's better that locals take care of their own area. I think it would be good all round to start to instill some respect for your local community, if people have to clean up their own community they'd have some respect for it.

I think over all everybody should have to do some work to maintain their community.

cloptrop

ScumLord wrote: »

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What would the Council street sweeping staff do?

They'd be replaced by this scheme. I think it's better that locals take care of their own area. I think it would be good all round to start to instill some respect for your local community, if people have to clean up their own community they'd have some respect for it.

I think over all everybody should have to do some work to maintain their community.

Ok so what would the newly unemployed council staff work at ?

Stuxnet

cloptrop wrote: »

Ok so what would the newly unemployed council staff work at ?

plenty of **** to sweep up where I live in Limerick, loads of sweeping to go around

cloptrop

So the headline should read 200 council jobs created but instead it says in holland the council workers would be better off on the dole .

ScumLord

cloptrop wrote: »

Ok so what would the newly unemployed council staff work at ?

I don't think it's necessary to have them in the first place but not all of them could be let go at any rate, you'd still need people managing and training, some machinery may require trained people to operate them.

cloptrop

Ok think ill give this thread a skip. Why not sack everyone and make people on the dole take their jobs . That seems to work well in the thoughts of this thread .

Youssef Chippo

cloptrop wrote: »

Ok think ill give this thread a skip.

See ya..

ScumLord

cloptrop wrote: »

Ok think ill give this thread a skip. Why not sack everyone and make people on the dole take their jobs . That seems to work well in the thoughts of this thread .

Why not create a load of jobs for the sake of it so that we can sit back and complain about paying too much tax?

Tombi!

In theory it's wonderful.
In reality (in Ireland at least) we can tell how far the job searching advice will go: now lads, after spending a few weeks cleaning the roads and whatnot, here's what you do to get a job: leave Ireland because we have none. Now, back to doing work.

DonkeyStyle \o/

"At first I was reluctant, of course," added Maurice Hannart, 43, a former tram driver, adding: "but hey, it's better than being at home and lying in bed."

Well fair play to them for perpetuating the false dichotomy of either being gainfully employed or lying in bed all day. And in an article about working for your dole no less.

Boombastic

It'll never work here because we're entitled to our benefits, not like those lazy cannibas smoking dutch :rolleyes:

aujopimur

TeddyTedson wrote: »

What would the Council street sweeping staff do?

Well if my cleansing dept neighbour is anthing to go by it would be the same as usual.
His day goes like this, starts at 8am, arrives home 12 noon sometimes earlier if the corpo truck has a load of timber for his fire, back to work 2.15,
home again 3.15.
The road sweeper truck has 2 guys on board, the passenger does nothing, just seems to be along for the ride

notnumber

Sure it could and has..was'nt that the CE schemes??
Id say it could be implemented as an option ..so when the economy rebounds the interviewee has some positive experiences to explain what they did during the unemployment...Im sure many would rather work than be on the dole..maybe they offer a sweetner to folks that take it on.

TeddyTedson

ScumLord wrote: »

They'd be replaced by this scheme. I think it's better that locals take care of their own area. I think it would be good all round to start to instill some respect for your local community, if people have to clean up their own community they'd have some respect for it.

I think over all everybody should have to do some work to maintain their community.

Interesting point. My initial reaction is agreement.