Ashley Cole may be the next England player to retire

Francie Barrett

Gringo180 wrote: »

I think the fact that Cole plays for one of the top 4 clubs in England is more of a factor in his selection over Baines, than the fact that hes the better player. I think Baines is the better full back defensively and he's a set piece specialist who will score more goals than Cole.

You're just digging yourself even deeper into a hole :pac:

Paul Tergat

Cole is easily better than Baines. It shouldnt even be up for discussion tbh

Gringo180

GavRedKing wrote: »

You have to ask why Baines isnt playing with a Top 4 club, the reason is simple, hes not as good as the options the top 4 currently have, with the exception of Man Utd, but Utd in buying a cheaper option in Buttner looked to have gotten a good player then the older and more expensive Baines.

City have 2 good LB's, Arsenal have Gibbs another Cole under study and while I'd rate Baines slightly higher then Gibbs theres no point replacing Gibbs with Baines as there is not much between them.

England are blessed with people that can take set pieces so between losing Baines set pieces or picking Cole I'd pick Cole everyday of the week.

I'd say Evertons valuation of the player is why he's not playing with a top 4 club.

Cienciano

Have to agree with all the Cole lovers on here. They do overhype up their players in England, Joe Hart being the latest, but Cole is probably the only world class English player from the last 10 years.
The perfect ratio of attacking/defending I'd want from a full back.

GavRedKing

Gringo180 wrote: »

I'd say Evertons valuation of the player is why he's not playing with a top 4 club.

Supply and demand, why would you pay over the odds for Baines when you have a fella whos on par or slightly inferior to him in the team already?

Anyone

Gringo180 wrote: »

I'd say Evertons valuation of the player is why he's not playing with a top 4 club.

Could be player loyalty also, maybe Baines isn't driven purely by how much he earns every week?

Gringo180

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You're just digging yourself even deeper into a hole :pac:

Says your man who thinks saying Marcelo is better than Cole is nutty :pac:

Seaneh

Gringo180 wrote: »

So rating Marcelo higher than Cole is nutty?

Yes, yes it is.

Gringo180

Anyone wrote: »

Could be player loyalty also, maybe Baines isn't driven purely by how much he earns every week?

Yeah true enough, thats another quality he has that Cashley hasn't got

Gringo180

Seaneh wrote: »

Yes, yes it is.

Cole himself has stated that Marcelo is the best left back in the world the past 2 seasons, I suppose hes nutty too :rolleyes:

Paul Tergat

Gringo180 wrote: »

Cole himself has stated that Marcelo is the best left back in the world the past 2 seasons, I suppose hes nutty too :rolleyes:

if he said it was himself im sure you and many others would hop all over it

GavRedKing

Gringo180 wrote: »

Yeah true enough, thats another quality he has that Cashley hasn't got

That and the ability to come close to Coles levels.

Cole left Arsenal as he wanted out, he made an extra £8k a week on his wage when he joined Chelsea, he left for trophies and hes fully justified leaving Arsenal with what hes acheived since leaving.

Francie Barrett

Gringo180 wrote: »

So rating Marcelo higher than Cole is nutty?

Yes, it is. Marcelo is a very good player, but he is nowhere near as consistent. When you look at the Champions League semi-final and final, you saw a bunch of world class performances by a player who has been doing that consistently for a decade now. If Cole wasn't English and a hateful S.O.B, then Irish people would be rating him a lot higher than what they should be.

Your Airbag

This is the part I'm sure Cole is enraged about. The FA clearly say he changed his story to support his team mate.

They find Terry guilt and then say this

It is also the FA‟s case that Ashley Cole‟s evidence has evolved and that the word “black” was introduced retrospectively into the witness statement that he provided to the FA, with a view to bolstering Mr. Terry‟s claim that the words that he (Mr. Terry) spoke to Mr. Ferdinand were not said by way of an insult, but as repetition and forceful denial of what Mr. Ferdinand had accused him of saying.

So the FA report not only finds John Terry guilty but states that Cole changed his statement to cover up Terry's racist remark. Now the FA have clearly found and stated that Cole tried to cover up the incident.

A black player accused of doctoring his recollection of a racist slur against another black opponent in order to help white team mate. Its a pretty serious part of the report. Not being black myself I can't say I fully understand the community but can say that this won't do him any favors amongst the black community.

There is no way Ferdinand can play in that back four with Cole now.

P.S I'm not saying all these findings are 100% accurate from the FA report or calling Cole a liar, I'm just reading into what that statement says.


It damns both Terry and Cole imo. Someone who believes the findings may find Coles involvement as bad if not worse than Terrys.

Francie Barrett

Gringo180 wrote: »

Cole himself has stated that Marcelo is the best left back in the world the past 2 seasons, I suppose hes nutty too :rolleyes:

If he's asked who is the best in the world, he's hardly going to come out and say that he is.

Your Airbag

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If he's asked who is the best in the world, he's hardly going to come out and say that he is.

Thats more of a Ronaldo thing to do

"Some people say I'm better, other people say it's him (Messi), but at the end of the day, they're going to decide who is the best player,"


"At the moment ... I think it is me,".

GavRedKing

Said this yesterday and I'll stand by it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81091127&postcount=25

Baines isn't even fit to lace Coles boots.

If he is why isn't he LB for England and playing for a big club?

Cole isn't a likeable chap and this is skewing people's opinion. He's a superb footballer and LB though.

niallo27

I dont blame Cole for what he said, the bloke is only human and the FA more or less called him a liar.

irish son

Cole has been the best left back in the Premiership for the last 10 years, he was the only player who could mark Ronaldo when he was here. He is still the best left back in the world imo.

Sgt Pepper 64

Carlo Ancelotti says Cole is the WORLDS BEST LEFTBACK

and he knows a thing or two about football


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/02/carlo-ancelotti-ashley-cole-psg

DaveSuarez

People really shouldn't use the "if hes so good why isn't he starting for England" point. The English team has been picked on reputation for years. Although Cole fully deserves his starting spot.

Anyone

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Carlo Ancelotti says Cole is the WORLDS BEST LEFTBACK

and he knows a thing or two about football


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/02/carlo-ancelotti-ashley-cole-psg

Well he would say that since he will be signing him next year :pac:

Mr Whirly

rarnes1 wrote: »

Baines isn't even fit to lace Coles boots.

If he is why isn't he LB for England and playing for a big club?

What big club?

Chelsea have Cole, doesn't need replacing, yet.
Arsenal don't spend money.
City have Clichy.
UTD reportedly wouldn't pay the price.
Spurs have BAE, why would you spend in and around 15m to replace him?

I can't see Everton finishing behind anyone else in the league. I don't see a reason for him to go to any other club.

Mr Whirly

Mr Whirly wrote: »

rarnes1 wrote: »

Baines isn't even fit to lace Coles boots.

If he is why isn't he LB for England and playing for a big club?

What big club?

Chelsea have Cole, doesn't need replacing, yet.
Arsenal don't spend money.
City have Clichy.
UTD reportedly wouldn't pay the price.
Spurs have BAE, why would you spend in and around 15m to replace him?

I can't see Everton finishing behind anyone else in the league. I don't see a reason for him to go to any other club.

If he is better than Cole as some crazy folk suggested he'd be at a bigger club challenging for honours /playing in CL.

Mr Whirly

rarnes1 wrote: »

If he is better than Cole as some crazy folk suggested he'd be at a bigger club challenging for honours /playing in CL.

Did you read any part of my post?

Mr Whirly

Mr Whirly wrote: »

rarnes1 wrote: »

If he is better than Cole as some crazy folk suggested he'd be at a bigger club challenging for honours /playing in CL.

Did you read any part of my post?

Yeah, you read mine?

It's been suggested that Baines is better than Cole. I've put my points across why I think that's nonsense.

Mr Whirly

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah, you read mine?

It's been suggested that Baines is better than Cole. I've put my points across why I think that's nonsense.

You have one point, that he doesn't play for Chelsea, MU, Arsenal or City. By your reasoning players playing for a top four side are automatically better than any of their compatriots in the league. It's a completely stupid point.

Richard Hillman

If the national association labeled me a liar, there isnt a hope in hell i would play for their team again. I hope Ashley tells them to get stuffed and teach them a lesson.

Pepe LeFrits

I don't suppose it matters to anyone that it was an independent commission and not the FA itself?

At any rate, if he retires, it doesn't make much difference. England were nothing more than a QF team with Cole at his peak and at 33 he'll be a long way from there in the 2014, where they will likely remain a QF team.

Also, heheheh at him 'unreservedly' apologising. Like he's ever used the word unreservedly in his life.

Sgt Pepper 64

SSN are saying Hodgson has met Cole on a virgin train and he remains in the squad, even though he agrees with him.
"Silly old duffers even gave me a big fat contract, so obviously they dont know what they are doing!"
"Wish I had Rio and Campbell back with Gazza and Sheringham upfront"


Some of this is false

Pepe LeFrits

Ridiculous. No way he'd want Gazza up front.

Mr Whirly

Mr Whirly wrote: »

You have one point, that he doesn't play for Chelsea, MU, Arsenal or City. By your reasoning players playing for a top four side are automatically better than any of their compatriots in the league. It's a completely stupid point.

Baines needs to get out of Everton to get to the next level imo. He's almost 28 and needs a bigger challenge if he's to nail down the LB England spot.

bullpost

He has got 5 'A' levels you know.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Also, heheheh at him 'unreservedly' apologising. Like he's ever used the word unreservedly in his life.

Mr Whirly

rarnes1 wrote: »

Baines needs to get out of Everton to get to the next level imo. He's almost 28 and needs a bigger challenge if he's to nail down the LB England spot.

Why?

From England's last qualifier Jagielka, Baines, G Johnson, Steven Gerrard all managed to get a start. The rest all played for the top four and Tottenham. Do you think the Liverpool players should not be picked because they play for a mid table (being optimistic here) team?

Mr Whirly

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Why?

From England's last qualifier Jagielka, Baines, G Johnson, Steven Gerrard all managed to get a start. The rest all played for the top four and Tottenham. Do you think the Liverpool players should not be picked because they play for a mid table (being optimistic here) team?

That's not what I'm saying

Look he's not near as good as Cole, that was my original point.

djPSB

COULD NOT GIVE LESS OF A **** ABOUT ASHLEY COLE'S INTERNATIONAL CAREER.

Mr Whirly

rarnes1 wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying

Look he's not near as good as Cole, that was my original point.

Because he plays for Everton. Dead petty.

Mr Whirly

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Because he plays for Everton. Dead petty.

No, because he's inferior to Cole

You're taking this awful personally, are you Baines by any chance?

gosplan

Meh, Cole's a twat but he's right - the FA are a bunch of twats. But then they're right about the Terry thing, and Cole probably did lie.

And BTW Cole is awesome and has been for a long long time. I don't go in for the 'best X in the world right now' but he has had no consistant competition for that spot over the last 10 years.

Richard Hillman

irish son wrote: »

Cole has been the best left back in the Premiership for the last 10 years, he was the only player who could mark Ronaldo when he was here. He is still the best left back in the world imo.

I fully agree. There has only been one player that has ever consistently got the better of Ronaldo and its something that i hold Cole in such high regard for. I would love to see the battle again but Ronaldo tends to keep more to the left wing and central now a days.

elefant

Marcelo is a very good player too lads, to be fair.

inmyday

GavRedKing wrote: »

Best LB in England and Europe for the best part of a decade.
.

Just curious gav.

Thats the second time this was said in this thread.
But surely if hes the best in europe, then would that not be the world???

Serious question by the way, not being smart or anything. I just cant think of another left back in brazil, argentina etc.
He must be the best in the world???

Seaneh

When a player is the best in Europe, he is generally the best in the world.

Like the Balon D'or, it's actually the European Footballer of the Year award (well, it was before they merged with the FIFA awards), but in reality it means best player in the world.

Paul Tergat

RDM just said the club will look into the tweet as it goes against their policy

A Primal Nut

I'd rather have players like Ashley Cole who say what they think rather than the ones you say what the PR people want them to say. I'm sure there are plenty of other footballers who don't like the FA as well, for different reasons.

Chucky the tree

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I'd rather have players like Ashley Cole who say what they think rather than the ones you say what the PR people want them to say. I'm sure there are plenty of other footballers who don't like the FA as well, for different reasons.

Shame he took the opposite stance to that when ask to give his statement over the Terry affair.

GavRedKing

inmyday wrote: »

Just curious gav.

Thats the second time this was said in this thread.
But surely if hes the best in europe, then would that not be the world???

Serious question by the way, not being smart or anything. I just cant think of another left back in brazil, argentina etc.
He must be the best in the world???

People usually just say best in europe and its taken as best in the world. Id say he has the best in the world. TBH most of the best players in the world are playing in Europe anyway so thats where it comes from IMO.

TerryTibbs!

djPSB wrote: »

COULD NOT GIVE LESS OF A **** ABOUT ASHLEY COLE'S INTERNATIONAL CAREER.

OK THANK YOU

Blatter

He's been charged by the FA.