Windows 8 Launch Discussion

Overheal

I haven't been quite this excited about a product launch in a long time. But there are probably a few reasons for that, one of which is that I'm right in the middle of it - receiving training and endorsement from Microsoft themselves at my place of work, which includes a lateral promotion and some interesting swag I'm not even at the liberty to discuss yet.



What I can say though is that I've been playing with Windows 8 in Beta and Consumer Preview for a couple months now, and aside from a few hardware-centric hiccups from running it on a Tablet that was designed to run Windows 7 (and at that it was kind of a prototype from the CES 2011. It does however have the same type of Wacom pen that that Galaxy Note has, making it worth every penny)



Here are things I know for certain:

- Windows 8 is a deceptively subtle, yet radical change that will be seen as the biggest change to windows in many many years.

- In the computing world, this will be the single largest product launch since the iPad first hit shelves nearly 3 years ago. Of course, everything will refresh in the stores: New Desktops, All-in-Ones, Laptops, Tablets, and even Laptop-Tablet Hybrids.




- As evidenced by Windows Vista, the importance of this launch can't be underlined enough: if it goes well, consumers will upgrade sooner, spend more money, even boost the economy. If it falls flat, it means consumers will refuse to adopt, endure using older hardware and this will keep current minimum specs of most PC software in a state of stagnation that won't be fully corrected for several more years; just as it was with PC and subsequently console Gaming.

Adoption will go well if consumers understand and embrace it. With that in mind, what about your understanding of Windows 8?

What is Windows 8?

Windows 8 is the newest Operating System from Microsoft, that will officially launch on October 26th - 3 weeks from today. The primary design goal of this release seems to have been twofold: 1) Unify the Windows Experience between all Windows devices, including the Windows PC, the Windows Phone, and even the Xbox 360 Gaming console. 2) Make Windows relevant on emerging PC technologies - namely, Touchscreens and mobile devices.

As a result Windows will come in two flavors: Windows 8 Pro will run on any PC hardware (That is, x86-based processors, like those supplied by AMD and Intel), and Windows RT, which will run on energy efficient Tablet hardware (Processors which are supplied by ARM and others, which use a very different instruction language that stresses power efficiency; eg. the Tegra 3 Processor from nVidia which is found in most Android-based tablets).

Be mindful, most importantly, that Windows 8 RT will not run regular x86-based software. It will exclusively run Apps, no more than you can install World of Warcraft or Quickbooks onto an iPad (unless theres an app for that).

There will likely be Pro tablets alongside RT tablets. There will definitely be hybrids, aka. Convertibles: Laptops which fold into Tablets - not an entirely new concept, but it hasn't been visited in the mainstream.

As a bonus though, Windows 8 RT Tablets will all include the Office 2013 Suite of software - That is the #1 follow-up question to every prospective tablet sale I've been a part of in the last 2 years: "Can I install Office on this?" Well, now you don't have to.

So what's different?

For a Windows PC, not so much. You still have your desktop, you can still install software, etc.

However the first thing you'll notice is the traditional Start menu is gone, replaced with the Start "Dashboard" - which if you own an Xbox is a familiar concept of terms. From here you can run 'Apps' from the App Store, or place Shortcuts to traditional programs and web pages. These can be organized however you fancy, and most apps will have "Live" tiles, meaning they are not static icons, but will feed you up to date information. For instance, the News app will roll through the latest headlines; your calendar will display your most pertinent events; the People app will show you your recent facebook alerts, etc.

You can run pieces of software side-by-side (as far as Tablets go, only Samsung tablets seem to share this ability right now) and of course any software that can be run in Desktop mode can be run in any number of windows or side by side configurations just as you're familiar with now.

Charming

Also critically new to windows 8, just like Windows Vista & 7 revolutionized the Start menu, by turning into a "Search and Run" utility (vs. the old jungle-style of navigating through a hierarchy of folders to maybe find the calculator that you were looking for), Windows 8 re-revolutionizes that, and adds another powerful button, Share.

With share you no longer have to copy a URL, go over to facebook, paste, type something witty, etc. - you just click the share charm from the web page you're viewing and the ability to post to your social media site shows up right there on the sidebar.

But getting back to Search, search is now essentially Meta - it searches everything. From search you type in the term you're searching for, and below the search bar is the list of all things it can filter through: namely, all of your apps. So if you search "Map", you can tap on the Web browser app from there and it will show you a Bing search result for Map. Or if you click the Store icon it will pull up every app in the store related to maps. Click on music, and the same thing occurs, it will search your music, and the marketplace's music. It's very mighty. And things like this will dramatically reduce the amount of time you spend doing things on the computer.

Cloud

The other major highlight is how important online services are now. You now have the option of your typical "local" user account, or, you can choose to log into your computer(s) with a Windows Live account. If you choose this option, for every computer you use it will sync all of your settings, preferences, purchases, and bookmarks. In this way, you can have the same account on your PCs, Xbox, (and Windows Phone), and using Skydrive, have all of your same files as well. If you enable Skydrive-fetch on your home desktop, your miserly 32GB or so tablet can still access all of your PCs files over an internet connection - even those not stored in your actual Skydrive (~7GB Free, More for an annual subscription). This also means it's relatively painless if you need to borrow your friend's laptop to do some work, since you'll have access to your own personalized workspace.

And, oh yeah: Windows 8 (RT and Pro) is the Only Operating system out there for tablets (right now) that will let you use multiple user accounts. Meaning that married couple can share the same piece of hardware without having to share the same virtual space for apps, documents and emails.

I haven't even really gotten into some of the technical stuff: if you explore the settings you will notice they've made it easier than ever to perform system repairs: the option is right there to do an in-place operating system reinstall for instance, meaning if your PC is acting buggy, you can quickly "reinstall" windows without affecting your files or screwing up your workflow.

So, how do I get this, how do I try it?

Windows 8 is available as a Release Preview here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/release-preview

It's easiest installed by DVD or via a Flash Drive

If you bought a PC This summer, that PC is eligible for a low-entry upgrade price of $15 (or the EU equivalent), by going to http://windowsupgradeoffer.com

MSFT will also be running a promotional period through January which will allow you to purchase licenses and upgrade-licenses at a discount. If you recall they also had a Windows 7 Family pack, which included 3 Upgrade Licenses for Home Premium - it was less than half the cost of the licenses after this promotion. If you plan to adopt the OS within the next year (or two), buy the licenses early!

What about everyone else? Excitement? Concerns? Criticism? Windows 8 should be in the stores a head of the launch - inside of the next 3 weeks. So if you're still undecided and you don't want to install it at home I'd still encourage you to stop in a B&M and have a poke around it.

200motels

I ran it in beta for a couple of months on a PC and didn't like it but given time I might but I'll be sticking to 7 for a while yet.

kevin2me

Great post, really helpful for people, I tried tablet in London last weekend, I'll be getting one of them with full OS, also I have 26'' HP touch smart with win7 and bump top and its great' I rarely need mouse, but its never really taken off, for 2 yes straight I'm still only one I know with touch PC, looking fwd to everyone else enjoying it with win. Hardware will be everywhere in a yr vs aids people use today. Keep up god posts buddy.

Torqay

Have you seen ASUS' new monster tablet?

18.5" display, Tegra 3 processor running Windows RT



OK, not really a tablet, it's one of their Transformer yokes. When docked to the base as an AIO computer it's running Windows 8 on some Ivy Bridge CPU.

Peregrine

I tried it in early February on a tablet and I thought it would be a bit silly to have metro on desktops and laptops.
I was extremely keen to try it out on my desktop and obviously rushed to download the Consumer Preview as soon as it came out. I didn't like it at first but I have to say it really grew on me :eek: Metro UI is still a bit messy on desktops but with All In Ones becoming more and more popular, I imagine it would settle in well in time.

But I'm still confused as to how professionals and companies will react to it. Will they make the switch to Windows 8 and Server 2012?

Overheal

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

But I'm still confused as to how professionals and companies will react to it. Will they make the switch to Windows 8 and Server 2012?

Thats going to depend on whatever changes have been made on the back-end. My training and use of Windows 8 really only focus on the front-end.

In saying that though the UI does owe itself to increasing productivity in some circumstances. Particularly trying to find stuff. The search function in old versions of windows was just comically bad. Even when you knew where a file was, trying to pull it from a search tool was like pulling teeth. The new search functionality encompasses the machine, the apps, and the internet.

I also have but a hint that something on the back end is more powerful: the new demo software we are slated to use no longer requires Deep Freeze utility in order to do the same or a similar level of work. Stands to reason there will be a broader toolbox for sysadmins to use to regulate the use of their machines. Commercial adoption though will largely depend on how much cost and pain is involved.

Fysh

I'll give MS this - the upgrade pricing I've read about is very smart and will help get people considering the upgrade.

The big question, for me, remains "How much will people like it on non-touch systems"? Windows To Go + Windows RT tablets are, between them, good answers for Windows-based enterprises facing the twin dilemmas of "I want a tablet!" and "I want to use my own computer for work, it's better than the thing you give me to work on". And the Deep-Freeze-like system reset function sounds like a great idea.

The focus on "apps", the lack of information about using the Store as a repository system (I dislike being forced to use Apple IDs for updating native applications in OS X, so being forced to either use Live IDs to cascade software installs/updates out through the Store or continue using SCCM/KACE or whatever would seem like a missed opportunity), and That Bloody UI are what have me nervous. On the UI front, though, I know part of the issue is that I'm not using touch-based systems and part of it is that I've never gotten used to using search for everything.

Torqay

Fysh wrote: »

Windows RT tablets are... good answers for Windows-based enterprises

I doubt, RT will make much inroads in the enterprise market.

You can't just install any software, everything must be purchased/obtained through Microsoft's app store... the nightmare for sysadmins.

RT tablets will be consumer gadgets, Enterprises will go the Windows 8 route with Intel processors.

Overheal

Torqay wrote: »

I doubt, RT will make much inroads in the enterprise market.

You can't just install any software, everything must be purchased/obtained through Microsoft's app store... the nightmare for sysadmins.

RT tablets will be consumer gadgets, Enterprises will go the Windows 8 route with Intel processors.

Depends on how easy it is to develop apps for it. Each will come loaded with Office 2013 though, which is by itself handy enough for most applications of the tablet.

On the app end, Microsoft has just 2 weeks to fill the store up with more apps. Currently there are only several hundred, they've indicated they expect thousands by Christmas. It's the same stumbling block that slammed WebOS and the Playbook. Not a real issue for x86, but RT has it's work cut out for it.

Torqay

It really remains to be seen how Office RT turns out. There will only be a preview on launch day, the product won't be finalized until 2013 according to the current roadmap and without crucial components such as Outllook and InfoPath, I don't think, businesses will get overly excited about it.

Fysh

Torqay wrote: »

I doubt, RT will make much inroads in the enterprise market.

You can't just install any software, everything must be purchased/obtained through Microsoft's app store... the nightmare for sysadmins.

RT tablets will be consumer gadgets, Enterprises will go the Windows 8 route with Intel processors.

RT Tablets are a perfect answer for the twits insisting that they need a tablet (by which they mean current-gen iPad) and couldn't possibly have to lug around a full-size laptop. It has Office built-in, can't install x86 software (so already less hassle to manage) and for anything else they RDP onto a real machine, and if it turns out they spend most of their time RDP'd onto a proper machine to do work then they have merely demonstrated they were talking danglies about needing a tablet in the first place

It's going to vary by organisation, but I've yet to see anyone make a genuine convincing case for needing a tablet. Outside of the sales-style "look how cool this is" (which is a sales issue, not a tech issue) there's a limited case to make for them as productivity devices.

Torqay

But Office 2013 RT will come to iOS and Android in March...

uncle_sam_ie

Does the upgrade-licenses offer included OEM copies of windows 7?

Torqay

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

Does the upgrade-licenses offer included OEM copies of windows 7?

The 15 yoyos promo offer only applies to computers bought from June 2, 2012 through January 31, 2013. Irish customers register here.

Overheal

Upgrade licenses should still be available till January for ~$40, or the EU pricing equivalency (either straight conversion or €40). So yes you will be able to affordably upgrade your 7 OEM license to an 8 Professional OEM license.

Torqay wrote: »

But Office 2013 RT will come to iOS and Android in March...

Unconfirmed rumor. I want to believe but the word broke from a Czech Republic MS person and was quickly disavowed by MS proper with no further word on the issue.

It is likely in development but whether it will be launch ready by Q1 remains to be seen. Regardless it is a highly demanded application in all mobile app marketplaces, and MS stands to make a buttload of money on any potential release of it. However I highly doubt they will announce anything as early as Q1, it would cannibalize the launch of the RT platform.

I'm guessing based on how it was leaked, they were told to try and have it ready by Q1 but whether it will launch that early is another story.

jonseyblub

Is the picture above your own Tablet? Is writing on it as easy as it seems. I'm a maths teacher and use a Tablet pc to write on but its like a block of cement carrying it from class to class.

Overheal

jonseyblub wrote: »

Is the picture above your own Tablet? Is writing on it as easy as it seems. I'm a maths teacher and use a Tablet pc to write on but its like a block of cement carrying it from class to class.

Yes. Samsung licensed the Wacom Pen technology for the Series 7 Slate (pictured above) and the Galaxy 'Note' tablet and phones. It's the only thing I can recommend for handwriting on a tablet. When the pen is on or near the screen the tablet doesn't pick up on capacitive touch, so you can rest your hand naturally on the screen while you write (trying this on a tablet with a regular stylus gets you nowhere). The writing resolution and sensitivity is much higher on the Series 7 Slate than it is the Note, but a Note tab is also less than half the cost of a Series 7.

The Series 7 Slate was a contest prize I won from Microsoft earlier in the year (they awarded 10 ultrabooks nationwide for that contest, I scored 2: that slate and an HP Envy 14 Spectre laptop). For my new position as a MSFT Advisor they are also going to furnish me with a new Lenovo Yoga convertible laptop/tablet, also pictured above. Since making the OP we've been playing with the Yoga at work and showing it to customers and the reaction has been mostly 'wow', with a couple people mildly concerned for how dirty the keyboard might potentially get, but for the most part it's getting everyone excited about the new OS, and even people on the fence seem to admit to the UI changes making a lot of sense, most especially if used on a touch interface.

Belfunk

Anyone know if there a technet launch event in Dublin similar to Windows 7 launch?

fdevine

I would be hoping so, although I've seen or heard nothing yet.

The Windows7 event was low budget IMO compared to previous events, so remains to be seen if there's even going to be a tech event like before.

Thor

Yeah, I was looking forward to the technet launch and was at the Windows 7 one which was small but pretty good.

I haven't heard anything on an event this year as of yet, since it's out next week, I think there should have been some info on it.

Overheal

You should already be seeing demo PCs in stores.

I can confirm RT still has the "Desktop" even though it won't run x86 software: it can still run Office 2013, IE10 (Desktop Mode), and let you access all of your regular system settings and file structure, etc.

homer911

Belfunk wrote: »

Anyone know if there a technet launch event in Dublin similar to Windows 7 launch?

Came to this thread hoping to find some details, but clearly not the case

Keep an eye on this page, although there is no guarantee they will post something. I'm on their list for regular emails, but have heard nothing yet..

http://www.microsoft.com/ireland/events/

Overheal

Torqay wrote: »

Have you seen ASUS' new monster tablet?

18.5" display, Tegra 3 processor running Windows RT



OK, not really a tablet, it's one of their Transformer yokes. When docked to the base as an AIO computer it's running Windows 8 on some Ivy Bridge CPU.

Actually it will be running android (in Tablet mode) and Windows 8 in AiO mode. As a tablet the Android 8 platform will be set up as a remote login to the AiO base. Sounds like a horrible mess, and not one that really strikes me as a useful product.

Torqay

Overheal wrote: »

Actually it will be running android (in Tablet mode)

Yes, I read that, although in the picture (clearly showing the Transformer AIO in "tablet mode") it looks like no Android version I have ever seen.

Torqay

Overheal wrote: »

I can confirm RT still has the "Desktop"

Yes, but only for Microsoft's own software, 3rd party applications will be locked out from the RT desktop.

I just read the first reviews of the new Skype for Windows 8, looks like a major FUP... well, I was wondering what took Microsoft so long to sc3w Skype up completely since they've bought it 18 months ago.

Peregrine

Torqay wrote: »

I just read the first reviews of the new Skype for Windows 8, looks like a major FUP... well, I was wondering what took Microsoft so long to sc3w Skype up completely since they've bought it 18 months ago.

Ah it takes time to obliterate a dominant voip client like Skype, they're on the job though
Anyone try it?
Too lazy to restart and enter Win8

In other news: Google will be releasing a wider range of Nexus tablets and phones..on the same day as Microsoft's Windows 8 and Surface :pac:

Very eventful week in technology

Overheal

Torqay wrote: »

Yes, but only for Microsoft's own software, 3rd party applications will be locked out from the RT desktop.

Yes, I said that:

I can confirm RT still has the "Desktop" even though it won't run x86 software

I just read the first reviews of the new Skype for Windows 8, looks like a major FUP... well, I was wondering what took Microsoft so long to sc3w Skype up completely since they've bought it 18 months ago.

Skype has always been a major ****up. Nothing new there. Its support on android has varied wildly from device to device.

dulpit

I have a laptop (17" HP thing), I have access to a €15 upgrade (parents bought a new PC back in the summer) and I think I'll go and buy the upgrade at weekend, unless anyone can give me a major reason not to?

From what I've read it's a touch first interface, but there are some nice upgrades and tweaks for non-touch too, right?

Fysh

dulpit wrote: »

From what I've read it's a touch first interface, but there are some nice upgrades and tweaks for non-touch too, right?

I would most definitely say try before you buy; if you're on a non-touch interface there's no way to say whether you'll love it or hate it. Personally I find it pointless over Win7 for my usage pattern and requirements (and I'm unwilling to change either without a better reason than "MS want a common UI across their phone and computer offerings"). Others on here have been very impressed by it.

Whatever you do, don't commit yourself to the upgrade without having a rollback plan in case you don't like it (ie full system snapshot before upgrading and check you can recover to it if you decide you need to ditch Win8).

Overheal

Its the improvements on search that have me sold. From Start, type in - well, anything. Type in the calculator, theres your calculator. Press the filter for the Store app and it will re-perform the search for calculator apps. Or say you wake up one morning and someone says "Bertie Ahern just ate a baby", type that while youre on the start menu and tap on the News app.

Very much the same reason I put up with Vista, and the same reason I loved 7, is they keep improving things like the search. Windows XP holdouts still have to navigate Start>All Programs>etc>etc>etc (and when I was a kid I started in DOS prompt, so I know all about having to use archaic file navigation) to find what they want. They have to know its there or they have to go stumbling around for things. Now I can simply, if I discover I don't have ccleaner installed (Start, "CCleaner") I can tap on the web browser and it will do a web search for ccleaner, taking me almost directly to the download page. It's a bit like asking a programmer if he is more or less productive with autofill features enabled.

Torqay

Overheal wrote: »

"Bertie Ahern just ate a baby", type that while youre on the start menu and tap on the News app.

But, but... that's old news!

djimi

Fysh wrote: »

I would most definitely say try before you buy; if you're on a non-touch interface there's no way to say whether you'll love it or hate it. Personally I find it pointless over Win7 for my usage pattern and requirements (and I'm unwilling to change either without a better reason than "MS want a common UI across their phone and computer offerings"). Others on here have been very impressed by it.

Whatever you do, don't commit yourself to the upgrade without having a rollback plan in case you don't like it (ie full system snapshot before upgrading and check you can recover to it if you decide you need to ditch Win8).

Definately try first. Windows 8 is a good OS for touchscreen devices but the Metro interface is horrendous on a regular laptop/PC using a mouse/keyboard (in my opinion). Also the desktop without a Start menu is very annoying to use. For a non-touchscreen device Windows 8 is a huge step backwards in intuitiveness comapred to XP/Vista/Windows 7. I dont even think its the kind of thing that you get used to in time; it just feels like they have shoehorned a touchscreen OS onto non-touchscreen devices.

vard

Can I get the upgrade price if I install on a new computer but use the windows 7 I'd from a different computer?

Torqay

vard wrote: »

Can I get the upgrade price if I install on a new computer but use the windows 7 I'd from a different computer?

In a word, no.

Unless Windows 7 on the "different computer" is a retail version. Of course you will have to uninstall Windows 7 from that computer then.

Polar101

Microsoft seems to want people to buy the upgrade version. I have a Vista licence, but I currently have Windows 7 Enterprise Trial installed - can I use Windows 8 upgrade or do I need the full version instead? I don't mind formatting the HD and so on. If I need to have Vista installed, then I would probably prefer to get the full version.

Torqay

Polar101 wrote: »

Microsoft seems to want people to buy the upgrade version. I have a Vista licence, but I currently have Windows 7 Enterprise Trial installed - can I use Windows 8 upgrade or do I need the full version instead? I don't mind formatting the HD and so on. If I need to have Vista installed, then I would probably prefer to get the full version.

You can only upgrade from a full license which you own and this version must be installed.

If you want to upgrade from Vista (any version), Windows 8 is the only edition available to you. Pro and Enterprise are not an option.

If you purchase a Windows 7 Enterprise license, you can upgrade to Windows 8 Enterprise only, all other editions are locked out from this upgrade path

Torqay

Overheal wrote: »

Its the improvements on search that have me sold.

Windows Search has always been a nuisance. 3rd party software is much more advanced in any respect.

For SSDs I much prefer non-index search, prolongs the SSD lifetime and thanks to insane access times there isn't much delay.

What puts me really off is not Modern UI but the new kill switch which nobody seems to care about since they're busy debating the pros and cons of the new tiled user interface. However, with Windows 8 Microsoft can now remotely disable and even delete software on your computer, "in cases where your security is at risk, or where we're required to do so for legal reasons". But hey, it's all for your own good and if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear, right?

Fysh

Torqay wrote: »

You can only upgrade from a full license which you own and this version must be installed.

If you want to upgrade from Vista (any version), Windows 8 is the only edition available to you. Pro and Enterprise are not an option.

If you purchase a Windows 7 Enterprise license, you can upgrade to Windows 8 Enterprise only, all other editions are locked out from this upgrade path

This is not true in a strictly technical sense. There's licensing based silliness about this, but Microsoft have in the past acknowledged that they are more concerned with licences being valid than anything else, so if you eg have a licence for Win7 and are upgrading to 8, you can use the double-install trick (clean install from Win8 media, don't activate, reboot, then start an in-place upgrade using the Win8 media, finish & reboot, then activate) and it will work.

As ever, being technically feasible doesn't guarantee also being allowed under the terms of the licence, but I really don't see the point of enforcing the inheritance of Crap Migration Syndrome on folks by making them do an in-place upgrade if they don't want to. It'd be a different story if MS could make the in-place upgrade run even 1/10 as smoothly as the equivalent process tends to be under OS X, but we might as well wish for unicorn rides for all the chances that'll happen any time soon...

Also, wasn't Enterprise only available to Volume Licence customers? So the restricted upgrade path isn't so much of a problem.

Torqay

I know there are ways around but I thought this was frowned upon here as there may be legal issues involved.

chrislad

Installing Windows 8 Pro at the moment. A bargain at 15quid, which PC World are going to refund me, so zero cost! I'm hoping the one good, one bad rule of Microsoft OSs doesn't hold true though!

Sparks43

Windows 8 is being released in 45 mins time.

Word of advice to anyone thinking about buying it or upgrading from 7

DONT!!!!!!!!!

It is without doubt the biggest piece of **** MS have ever released much worse then Vista.

I have been hands on with it and it has very few redeeming features.

Stick with 7 for the time being and if you really want a new OS then look into Linux (great and free)

8 Will not last more then a year and this is the end of microsofts dominance.

They will not be missed

djimi

Windows 8 will be great on touchscreen devices but it will bomb seriously on regular laptops/PCs. Microsoft are making a huge mistake with this one; on a regular machine is a huge step back from Windows 7 and I have no idea why they think they need to try and shoehorn the one OS onto two very different platforms.

On touchscreen devices though (which it is completely designed for) I can see it doing fantastically well.

andrewdeerpark

I have just installed Windows 8 on my main PC. Installed without fuss from the download. Did not format and install or perform a backup.

Running nicely, initial impressions is its really responsive and if you have a windows Hotmail / live / xbox account ties in well with the OS with mail, contacts and settings.

Initial impressions are good.

ffocused

anyone waiting for an upgrade email for a recently purchased pc just enter your reciept number & email on windowsupgradeoffer.com to get your discount code now & away you go. I am downloading it now.

Moon54

Yep, I bought it as well,
I figured at the cheap €30 upgrade price that it would be worth buying.

I used the 'create ISO' method and have it burned to disc with my product code printed on it and ready to go.

I've tried the previous beta builds and it still hasn't completely convinced me that it's great....
but it was a lot more manageable after I installed the ClassicShell free software.

Overheal

Sparks43 wrote: »

Windows 8 is being released in 45 mins time.

Word of advice to anyone thinking about buying it or upgrading from 7

DONT!!!!!!!!!

It is without doubt the biggest piece of **** MS have ever released much worse then Vista.

I have been hands on with it and it has very few redeeming features.

Stick with 7 for the time being and if you really want a new OS then look into Linux (great and free)

8 Will not last more then a year and this is the end of microsofts dominance.

They will not be missed

Im curious as to what about it you found to be "worse than Vista."

I mean I can very easily point out a lot of the challenges the Vista launch faced. They were indeed horrendous. I don't see any of the same mistakes being made here however. Care to enlighten?

_Kaiser_

Overheal wrote: »

Im curious as to what about it you found to be "worse than Vista."

I mean I can very easily point out a lot of the challenges the Vista launch faced. They were indeed horrendous. I don't see any of the same mistakes being made here however. Care to enlighten?

Ah I'm sure I can guess...

- No start menu in the Desktop "app" :rolleyes:
- Desktop UI that harks back to Windows 3.1 with the flat washed out 2D look
- Uneasy marriage of the traditional Desktop and the "Modern" interface
- Reduced functionality - even shutting down is a chore

These are all fair points.

Now yes, all of those can be addressed with Classic Shell, Start8 etc - but it shouldn't be necessary to resort to 3rd party utilities to get essential functionality back.
There was no need to strip all that out.. just have an option on first boot: "do you want to use the Modern or Classic UI?" I'd be fine with Modern being the default but as long as I could easily (and completely) turn it off if needed.

On a tablet or Surface I'm sure this will work well - IF the price of the latter doesn't put people off when comparing it against the established Apple and Android alternatives, IF they get the Marketplace in order, IF the aforementioned functionality issues don't kill it in its infancy etc

I can't see the majority of people rushing out to spend hundreds on new touch-capable PCs and laptops (which is where Windows has its biggest share) just to run this stripped out Windows Phone wannabe OS. Enterprises will skip it entirely (seeing as many have only just finished upgrading to Win 7).

And yes, I've played with the RTM a fair bit in the last month or two but I can't see any worthwhile reason to go for this over Win 7 on a standard PC or laptop, and while it makes more sense on a tablet I would not be surprised if we've all forgotten about Surface next year as it's relegated to a distant third.. in the same way as Win Phone 7 hasn't made any serious inroads in its lifespan either.

But it's interesting times ahead alright. Will the gamble pay off?

djimi

Overheal wrote: »

Im curious as to what about it you found to be "worse than Vista."

I mean I can very easily point out a lot of the challenges the Vista launch faced. They were indeed horrendous. I don't see any of the same mistakes being made here however. Care to enlighten?

The issues I found with Windows 8 are different to those that existed in Vista at launch, but are no less frustrating. I used Windows 8 for over 6 months on my laptop and at no point did I get used to the Metro interface/lack of start menu. Its just plain unintuitive and doesnt make any sense on a regular laptop/PC. Using it felt very much like the old Windows Mobile OSs; that feeling of using an OS that does not seem to be properly designed for the platform that it is running on.

The general performance of Windows 8 is good; overall it felt quick and performed well even on my Samsung NC10. But I dont think that is going to matter when all is said and done; I fear too many people will take one look at it and run a mile, and I dont see any corporates touching it with a bargepole.

Torqay

Overheal wrote: »

Im curious as to what about it you found to be "worse than Vista."

At least with Vista the kill switch stopped at the operating system (WGA), in Windows 8 Microsoft can now remotely disable or delete any software or content on your computer as they see fit (maybe you should read the Terms of Use before agreeing to them).

Diddy Kong

Torqay wrote: »

At least with Vista the kill switch stopped at the operating system (WGA), in Windows 8 Microsoft can now remotely disable or delete any software or content on your computer as they see fit (maybe you should read the Terms of Use before agreeing to them).

I dont see the issue with this! Apple and Google both have these kill switches available to them to remove apps.

Here is the extract from the Windows Store T&C:

Can Microsoft remove apps or data from my device?
We may change or discontinue certain apps or content offered in the Windows Store at any time, for any reason. Sometimes, we do so to respond to legal or contractual requirements. In cases where your security is at risk, or where we’re required to do so for legal reasons, you may not be able to use apps or access content that you previously acquired or bought a license for. In cases where we remove a paid app from your Windows 8 device not at your direction, we may refund to you the amount you paid for the license. Some apps might also stop working if you update or change your Windows 8 device, or if you try to use those apps on a Windows 8 device with different features or processor type. You're responsible for backing up the data that you store in apps that you acquire via the Windows Store, including content you upload using those apps. If the Windows Store, an app, or any content is changed or discontinued, your data could be deleted or you might not be able to retrieve data you have stored. We have no obligation to return data to you. If sign in information or other data is stored with an expiration date, we may also delete the data as of that date.

For those interested, link to Google first using the kill switch to remove apps from devices.

Personally I have been using Windows 8 for the past two months as my main machine and love it. Very quick to boot, I actually use the Metro Start quite a bit (I also have a WP7 device, so it helps) and the only "hack" I did was to include the shutdown/restart options in the right click on desktop.

homer911

djimi wrote: »

I dont see any corporates touching it with a bargepole.

I was talking to our IT Infrastructure Manager the other day who said that all our laptops would be replaced with Windows Surface Tablets in the short to medium term - glad I dont use a laptop...