Liverpool vs Stoke, 3pm

Washington Irving

Oranage2 wrote: »

Not a bad result when you see City and Arsenal both got only a point against Stoke. I think Pool have too high expectations of their team.

Three points at home to Stoke is too much to ask?

el dude

Jaysus, not sure what game people were watching, it wasn't that bad. We completely dominated them and got a much needed clean sheet.

But then my expectations for this season seem to be based in reality whereas the same probably can't be said for a lot of LFC fans given the moaning that follows any result that isn't a win.

BorneTobyWilde

Stoke will do that to better teams than us this season,
Its why Stoke do well

niallo27

el dude wrote: »

Jaysus, not sure what game people were watching, it wasn't that bad. We completely dominated them and got a much needed clean sheet.

But then my expectations for this season seem to be based in reality whereas the same probably can't be said for a lot of LFC fans given the moaning that follows any result that isn't a win.

What is reality for you, just about the relegation zone.

Oranage2

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Three points at home to Stoke is too much to ask?

Ofcourse not but I was just saying that you shouldn't be too disappointed in the draw as it is a good result.

el dude

el dude wrote: »

Jaysus, not sure what game people were watching, it wasn't that bad. We completely dominated them and got a much needed clean sheet.

But then my expectations for this season seem to be based in reality whereas the same probably can't be said for a lot of LFC fans given the moaning that follows any result that isn't a win.

If you can't see that 6 points from 21 isn't worrying then I don't know..

billybudd

el dude wrote: »

Jaysus, not sure what game people were watching, it wasn't that bad. We completely dominated them and got a much needed clean sheet.

But then my expectations for this season seem to be based in reality whereas the same probably can't be said for a lot of LFC fans given the moaning that follows any result that isn't a win.

No point dominating teams if there is not the result to go with it, my expectations are not that huge for this year but to be honest they should be, we certainly have a great squad and its a complete lack of management that we do not have a few strikers to depend on finishing of these chances being created and when i say management i just dont mean BR.

Morzadec

el dude wrote: »

Jaysus, not sure what game people were watching, it wasn't that bad. We completely dominated them and got a much needed clean sheet.

But then my expectations for this season seem to be based in reality whereas the same probably can't be said for a lot of LFC fans given the moaning that follows any result that isn't a win.

We knew we would dominate them (in terms of possession), that was a given.

Like I said in the OP, the challenge would be to break down Stoke. We failed. We didn't create nearly enough clear cut chances and didn't sustain pressure in the final third for long enough due to poor decision making and poor execution of passes.

Dominating against Stoke is nothing to brag about. They have the lowest average possession in the league and you should be worried if the possession is even threatening to reach 50-50. They regularly concede possession (partly because of their style).

We didn't trouble their defence nearly enough unfortunately.

No, it's not the end of the world and we shouldn't make any snap judgements based on today, but the fact is both the performance and the result were not good enough.

We weren't awful but we weren't good either.

Columbia

J. Marston wrote: »

He doesn't dive!

You can tell how embarrassed Liverpool fans are by their refusal to acknowledge this actually happened.

Handsome Bob

Columbia wrote: »

J. Marston wrote: »

He doesn't dive!

You can tell how embarrassed Liverpool fans are by their refusal to acknowledge this actually happened.

Find the moment it happened in this thread, we accept your apology in advance by the way.

LuckyLloyd

Columbia wrote: »

You can tell how embarrassed Liverpool fans are by their refusal to acknowledge this actually happened.

FAIL:

mike65 wrote: »

Stoke will of course be happy with the draw which is the problem.

(Suarez dived there)

naughtb4 wrote: »

Oh Luis why go do that

markie29 wrote: »

he should have been given a yellow card for that dive.....ridiculous

noodler wrote: »

Thats probably set back the Suarez Penalty cause back a few weeks.

S. De Sousa wrote: »

Lol, oh Luis.

MyBrokenKnees wrote: »

and thats why we don't get any peno's

jethro081 wrote: »

suarez did himself no favours there.

it did look hilarious though. like bambi on ice skates.

SaulGoode9 wrote: »

Absolute clown, he was doing so well

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Ugh. I love him, but impossible to defend that ****ing rubbish.

citytillidie wrote: »

Feck Luis stop doing that, that is why when you are fouled in the box you are not getting anything

Columbia

S. De Sousa wrote: »

Find the moment it happened in this thread, we accept your apology in advance by the way.

Are you serious? A few posts in a match thread versus two weeks of conspiracy theories about "unfairness" from referees? That's proportional recognition of a consistent cheat, yeah? Brendan Rodgers phoned up Mike Riley asking why he didn't get a penalty, will he be doing the same this week asking why Suarez wasn't booked? Don't make me laugh.

niallo27

Columbia wrote: »

Are you serious? A few posts in a match thread versus two weeks of conspiracy theories about "unfairness" from referees? That's proportional recognition of a consistent cheat, yeah? Brendan Rodgers phoned up Mike Riley asking why he didn't get a penalty, will he be doing the same this week asking why Suarez wasn't booked? Don't make me laugh.

That's not what you said in your original post though, you changed your point from the fans to Rodgers, your talking bollox I would think.

Handsome Bob

Columbia wrote: »

S. De Sousa wrote: »

Find the moment it happened in this thread, we accept your apology in advance by the way.

Are you serious? A few posts in a match thread versus two weeks of conspiracy theories about "unfairness" from referees? That's proportional recognition of a consistent cheat, yeah? Brendan Rodgers phoned up Mike Riley asking why he didn't get a penalty, will he be doing the same this week asking why Suarez wasn't booked? Don't make me laugh.

You referred to the specific moment, not what was said previously. Nce try anyway.

Columbia

niallo27 wrote: »

That's not what you said in your original post though, you changed your point from the fans to Rodgers, your talking bollox I would think.

In my original post I was referring to the post-match discussion. How do you think the club should deal with Suarez and his constant diving, since the majority of your fans now believe it is costing you decisions?

Columbia

Columbia wrote: »

In my original post I was referring to the post-match discussion. How do you think the club should deal with Suarez and his constant diving, since the majority of your fans now believe it is costing you decisions?

I think you've lost tbh

Columbia

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think you've lost tbh

Damn

But genuinely, if someone would put forward an answer to my final question at least, it would be interesting.

niallo27

Columbia wrote: »

In my original post I was referring to the post-match discussion. How do you think the club should deal with Suarez and his constant diving, since the majority of your fans now believe it is costing you decisions?

I don't think it's costing decisions, it's the overreaction by the media towards him are influencing refs, Ashley young dived twice last year to get pens and wellbeck did it twice this year, if either of these players fall in the box the ref will judge it on its merits, they are not doing the same with Suarez. He doesn't constantly dive either, it's actually fairly rare.

Oranage2

Columbia wrote: »

Damn

But genuinely, if someone would put forward an answer to my final question at least, it would be interesting.

You kinda make a good point -

How many times should Suarez have got a penalty this season but didnt, 3-4 maybe and what type of punishment did the ref for getting it wrong? nothing.

If a ref was to give a penalty and it was a dive the ref would be highlighted in every paper in england.

Goes to show that it's easier for Refs not to give cheats any benefit of the doubt.

Columbia

Columbia wrote: »

Damn

But genuinely, if someone would put forward an answer to my final question at least, it would be interesting.

How do you think the club should deal with Suarez and his constant diving,

Same as any club, tell him to cop to fúck on.

There's divers on every team you know. Only Suarez gets the headlines for it. It's actually one of Skys headlines this evening! :pac:

citytillidie

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

FAIL:

proper thumbs up for that

The_Kew_Tour

and when I thought my day could not get any better I see that dive.

Thumbs up Suarez.

RasTa

What did the ref do for that anyway? I see Stoke had 6 lads booked and 0 Liverpool. Watched the first half and Sterling and Suso looked out of their depth.

Columbia

rarnes1 wrote: »

Same as any club, tell him to cop to fúck on.

There's divers on every team you know. Only Suarez gets the headlines for it. It's actually one of Skys headlines this evening! :pac:

Oranage2 wrote: »

You kinda make a good point -

How many times should Suarez have got a penalty this season but didnt, 3-4 maybe and what type of punishment did the ref for getting it wrong? nothing.

If a ref was to give a penalty and it was a dive the ref would be highlighted in every paper in england.

Goes to show that it's easier for Refs not to give cheats any benefit of the doubt.

Interesting viewpoints, Suarez does get called up on it more often than others. However at the same time, I think Suarez is (at the moment at least) guiltier than most others. I think it's something your manager should address, because regardless of the reasons behind it (be they fair or unfair, due to the media or referee bias), it seems to be harming your chances in games. Just like any aspect of play that negatively affects the team's chances, the manager must get involved at some point, especially as it should be straightforward to correct, in comparison to poor play, etc.

noodler

Columbia wrote: »

You can tell how embarrassed Liverpool fans are by their refusal to acknowledge this actually happened.

Columbia wrote: »

Are you serious? A few posts in a match thread versus two weeks of conspiracy theories about "unfairness" from referees? That's proportional recognition of a consistent cheat, yeah? Brendan Rodgers phoned up Mike Riley asking why he didn't get a penalty, will he be doing the same this week asking why Suarez wasn't booked? Don't make me laugh.

:pac::pac::pac:

Cheers LL!

Columbia

As I pointed out, I was referring to the post-match discussion, and the fact that everyone had conveniently forgotten the incident. Happily enough, a couple of Liverpool fans actually came out with head-screwed-on responses instead of head-in-the-sand mutual backslapping.

RasTa

Dig up there Columbia

hefferboi

RasTa wrote: »

What did the ref do for that anyway? I see Stoke had 6 lads booked and 0 Liverpool. Watched the first half and Sterling and Suso looked out of their depth.

Thought Suso was one of our better players. Shouldn't have been taken off. Picking out a player who looked out of their depth I'd pick Gerrard or Sahin. Both had awful games.

Kerrigooney

noodler wrote: »

Nah, I don't think anyone of any note overreacted on here when we beat Norwich.

This seems to have been missed because of the Suarez argument.

Can you explain what you mean please?

Is there some kind of heirarchy in here we should know about?

Are some posters opinions more valid than others?

el dude

niallo27 wrote: »

What is reality for you, just about the relegation zone.

Top eight.

There's only 31 games left, so keep yer nickers on.

aramush

Look at the positives, Andre Wisdom (who I thought was extremely impressive today) and Suso are going to be outstanding players, hopefully for the red of Liverpool

For the squad of size, age and experience Rodgers has, the tactics he is trying to implement and the quality of the majority of our performances to date, he is doing a good job. But, as always, the phrase which has haunted Liverpool in the last few seasons, we are lacking cutting edge and that comes down to the players.

PhiloCypher

Columbia wrote: »

Interesting viewpoints, Suarez does get called up on it more often than others. However at the same time, I think Suarez is (at the moment at least) guiltier than most others. I think it's something your manager should address, because regardless of the reasons behind it (be they fair or unfair, due to the media or referee bias), it seems to be harming your chances in games. Just like any aspect of play that negatively affects the team's chances, the manager must get involved at some point, especially as it should be straightforward to correct, in comparison to poor play, etc.

Based on his thespian/tantrum free performance against Norwich Rodgers likely did have words, but like most players (foreign or otherwise) when they feel that the result they want is slipping away from them they are prone to throwing themselves over in the box to win their team an advantage. If we're one nil ahead Luis doesn't make that decision imo.

Columbia wrote: »

As I pointed out, I was referring to the post-match discussion, and the fact that everyone had conveniently forgotten the incident. Happily enough, a couple of Liverpool fans actually came out with head-screwed-on responses instead of head-in-the-sand mutual backslapping.

Just because something isn't discussed at length for pages and pages doesn't mean it's been swept under the carpet or people are in denial , he dived we all know it you know it, what more is their to discuss, how many pages of discussion is required for us to exculpate ourselves from this denial you seem to believe we live in 3 pages ? 5 pages ? . Do united fans(assuming you are one) have a similarly lengthy mea culpa when Welbeck and Young throw themselves to the ground ?

CSF

Kerrigooney wrote: »

This seems to have been missed because of the Suarez argument.

Can you explain what you mean please?

Is there some kind of heirarchy in here we should know about?

Are some posters opinions more valid than others?

Some posters opinions are definitely more valid than others.

efb

I have a very strong dislike of Tony Pulis

A2LUE42

efb wrote: »

I have a very strong dislike of Tony Pulis

Are you the secret footballer?

Francie Barrett

hefferboi wrote: »

Thought Suso was one of our better players. Shouldn't have been taken off.

Like I said on the main thread, Suso was clearly dead on his feet.

Super-Rush

What did MOTD have to say about Suarez last night, because they laughed at Gareth Bale's dive.

Melion

Super-Rush wrote: »

What did MOTD have to say about Suarez last night, because they laughed at Gareth Bale's dive.

Nothing really, talked more about Huth and him having a go at each other throughout the match.