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Waterford gives a shirt.
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Think away. The group that I was with was there for BOTH campaigns. As were many others.
So the small group you were with protested over two issues, you still can't apply this to everyone.
I know of people that protested over household charge, but certainly everyone didn't protest for this.
Heard from one person there was a chap with a sign about fluoride, yet we don't go assuming everyone was protesting over this either....but maybe more people were protesting over this then the whole city thing....i guess we'll never know :pac:
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7upfree might be a Sinn Fein voter. They typically construct posts along the lines, to defend their point, that many others they know did X or Y therefore, everyone did. Like when it comes to elections - you often see Sinn Fein supporters arguing online that all their friends and that persons friends voted for Sinn Fein and they "didn't know of anybody" who was voting for the other parties therefore it must be a rigged election.
But on a more serious note, I agree I could be very wrong. I was working on the assumption based on what appeared to be a solid reasoning as the 'Save Waterford' Campaign drew a much larger online response in a shorter period. They organised a protest separately to the 'Waterford Gives a Shirt' one and agreed to just join at the end. A huge crowd turned up for the former protest and it significantly died down once the protests merged. I know this was partly down to the Gardai, I believe, asking for speeches to be wrapped up because the crowds were still coming from Ballybricken. But in general, the 'Waterford Gives A Shirt' campaign could not and has not been able to mobilise such a crowd on the ground and there appears to be a much greater interest in the former campaign when you look at the response they are getting from the national media alone. The 'Waterford Gives A Shirt' campaign is given a glancing reference if its lucky - as the focus is purely on the former campaign.
So when I look at the individual responses by both campaigns, the general local attention it was receiving and the national media attention - for me, a significant weight was leaning towards a campaign which was focusing most, if not all, of its efforts on the hospital campaign.
We will never know of course and we can both speculate and wonder.
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7upfree might be a Sinn Fein voter. They typically construct posts along the lines, to defend their point, that many others they know did X or Y therefore, everyone did. Like when it comes to elections - you often see Sinn Fein supporters arguing online that all their friends and that persons friends voted for Sinn Fein and they "didn't know of anybody" who was voting for the other parties therefore it must be a rigged election.
But on a more serious note, I agree I could be very wrong. I was working on the assumption based on what appeared to be a solid reasoning as the 'Save Waterford' Campaign drew a much larger online response in a shorter period. They organised a protest separately to the 'Waterford Gives a Shirt' one and agreed to just join at the end. A huge crowd turned up for the former protest and it significantly died down once the protests merged. I know this was partly down to the Gardai, I believe, asking for speeches to be wrapped up because the crowds were still coming from Ballybricken. But in general, the 'Waterford Gives A Shirt' campaign could not and has not been able to mobilise such a crowd on the ground and there appears to be a much greater interest in the former campaign when you look at the response they are getting from the national media alone. The 'Waterford Gives A Shirt' campaign is given a glancing reference if its lucky - as the focus is purely on the former campaign.
So when I look at the individual responses by both campaigns, the general local attention it was receiving and the national media attention - for me, a significant weight was leaning towards a campaign which was focusing most, if not all, of its efforts on the hospital campaign.
We will never know of course and we can both speculate and wonder.
I see the double act are back.:) Still no answer from Cabaal on his county of origin. No surprises there. I'll tell ya this Sully. After the "performance" of this "government" (and I use the term in the loosest possible sense) I might even be tempted to give the Shinners a run.
Oooh the venom towards the WGAS shirt campaign is palpable in the post above.:D A pity you couldn't - for once - admire what they are doing and get over your loyalty to FG. 15,000 shirts donated. Yeah, they never got off the ground at all Sully!:rolleyes::)0 -
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Coming from the man himself:D I'll buy you two. Still won't acknowledge WGAS I see. And the other half of the dynamic duo still won't admit to being from Kilkenny. Some craic alright!
You need to see a passport or something, thought you'd be able to figure out where I'm living purely based on the info infront of you....regardless of the post content.
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Nooooooo. Just wondering why you didn't come back earlier. And what, indeed, you're doing becoming so embroiled in a Waterford City forum.
Lastime I checked I don't have to follow orders and do what you request
I'm also free to post in this forum or any other forum on boards.ie that I have access to as long as I stay in-line with the charter the same as anyone else can. shocking eh? :eek:
The joys of the interweb :pac::pac:0 -
I hate to get all serious and ruin the little back and forth that's going on....:D
....but I do think that a coming together of all campaigns needs to happen very soon to keep the momentum going.
I'm commenting on this from afar so am purely basing my opinion on what I see online and in the media. The Waterford Gives A Shirt Campaign is very worthwhile but I think it suffers slightly from its message being tongue-in-cheek. The point that Waterford has nothing to give but the shirt of its back, while a valid one, is a difficult one to get behind, especially for anyone not from Waterford. Yes Waterford is being hit hard, with the potential change to city council, Aer Arann pulling out and complete lack of new jobs. But for each of those issues it's very hard to pin the blame on who's absolutely responsible, or suggest alternatives. I think this is why media coverage for the campaign has not been huge and most likely they didn't have the same numbers as the Save Waterford campaign at the march.
The Save Waterford campaign on the other hand had a clear point and message, we don't want our hospital's services reduced in any way. This is universal and can be applied to people from all counties in Ireland. If Waterford's hospital is downgraded, Cork might be next, or Dublin. Also almost everyone has needed the use of the hospital at some point in their life. A reduction in services is a tangible threat and one that got thousands off their couches and marching on the streets. Also the blame for WRH potentially being downgraded is much easier to pin on someone, and the alternative is easy, just leave it alone! The media are naturally all over it as it is a nationwide issue in my opinion and has a clear message that's easy to print, not to mention the human interest story of two ordinary mothers starting it off.
But I can already see that the campaign might start losing momentum. The two women who started the Save Waterford campaign do not have unlimited time to dedicate to it, they've already said so. This will be its downfall. Like or not those two fantastic women are the figureheads behind the movement. Without them it is likely to fall apart. Waterford Gives a Shirt has more volunteers at the moment but possibly less media and government interest and they're having to fight as hard as possible to get their point across. Other smaller protests have sprung up from concerned groups but are small and ineffective.
The solutions seems clear enough to me. Save Waterford is a great tagline and a great campaign. Everyone would do well to get behind it initially and help not only keep it alive but help it grow. Forget your political allegiances and forget individual campaigns. Get together and come up with master campaign.
Save Waterford as a tag line is superb. It's short, punchy and all-encompassing. Save Waterford, save our hospital, save our jobs, save our city. It's also expandable. Save Kilkenny, Save the South East, Save Ireland.
A merging of campaigns will take the pressure off Gillian and Andrea, having many others willing to take on organisational responsibility. There's strength in numbers and if the various campaigns unite under a single banner suddenly where there are a handful of people trying to organise the campaign, there will be dozens. Where thousands are behind individual campaigns, there will be tens of thousands. Where a single city and county stood up for itself, hopefully every city and county in Ireland will join in. That's when you get something done. That's when a government will listen.
I think political allegiances need to be forgotten in Ireland from now on, especially from this forum. Parish pump politics need to be put aside for the sake of the country. The country is in terrible shape, so bad I may never return and that really saddens me. The only way anything will change is when every person in Ireland unites under a single ideal and that's to get the country back on track. Any government that's voted in, from whatever political party, will not make the slightest bit of difference until they're pushed by the people. The people of Ireland have been treated with disdain by successive governments and I really hope now is when those people stand up and say enough is enough. For years we've complained from our armchairs, I'm so proud that the people of Waterford have been the first to get up as one and fight back.
So I wish the best to both the Waterford Gives a Shirt and Save Waterford campaigns, as well as everyone else who's standing up for themselves. I do hope everyone can unite eventually and start a real change for the region. Of course if I can do anything from the UK I'll be happy to help.0 -
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Lastime I checked I don't have to follow orders and do what you request
I'm also free to post in this forum or any other forum on boards.ie that I have access to as long as I stay in-line with the charter the same as anyone else can. shocking eh? :eek:
The joys of the interweb :pac::pac:
Knock yourself out. I don't feel particularly attracted to the KK forum though.:)0 -
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