Car Crash-who's at fault?

Gael23 · 08-10-2012 06:08PM #1

My grandmother was involved in an accident last night but its not too claer whos responsible to me. Basically she was at a T junction intending to turn right which meant crossing 3 lanes of traffic. The other driver came down a hill on the other side, also turning to their right and crossing 3 lanes of traffic. While turning, both cars made contact with her car taking a hit to the side and the other ladys to the front.
As neither was actually out on the main road I cant see a clear right of way?

Alanstrainor · 08-10-2012 06:10PM

Leave it up to the insurance companies to figure out. That's what they're there for:)

Gael23 · 08-10-2012 06:44PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Leave it up to the insurance companies to figure out. That's what they're there for:)

Thats probably whats going to happen and the Guards were called so I assume they have an input too. Im guessing that being a 75 year old woman she'll automatically get the blame

Hal Decks · 08-10-2012 06:49PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

[......... Im guessing that being a 75 year old woman she'll automatically get the blame

You'll hardly qualify for a job as an accident investigator with that attitude?

SuperInfinity · 08-10-2012 07:05PM

Hal Decks wrote: »

You'll hardly qualify for a job as an accident investigator with that attitude?

Why, because he's disrespectful of incumbent accident investigators? His comment is dissing accident investigators, not elderly drivers.

All drivers should be treated completely equally no matter what, and no excuses either. The worst situation would be someone saying: "he's 80 years old anyway, shur let's be safe about it and revoke his licence", when he might be the safest driver ever and have ten or more years of driving independent left and no way to fight against it.

Cuddlesworth · 08-10-2012 07:11PM

Hmmmm. If one car has front damage and the other side damage, there is a strong argument as to which car hit who.

Depends entirely on the insurance company's.

Hal Decks · 08-10-2012 07:13PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Hal Decks wrote: »

You'll hardly qualify for a job as an accident investigator with that attitude?

Why......?

It was perfectly obvious. (Except to you!)

SuperInfinity · 08-10-2012 07:26PM

Hal Decks wrote: »

It was perfectly obvious. (Except to you!)

Anyone else think it wasn't perfectly obvious which he meant?

corktina · 08-10-2012 08:00PM

i'm at a loss to understand a tee junction with a road "the other side". Sounds like a cross roads to me.

CiniO · 08-10-2012 08:43PM

corktina wrote: »

i'm at a loss to understand a tee junction with a road "the other side". Sounds like a cross roads to me.

I had exactly the same thought. I can't really imagine how it looked like from OP's decription.
OP - could you draw a basic picture?

CiniO · 08-10-2012 08:44PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Leave it up to the insurance companies to figure out. That's what they're there for

Probably only in Ireland.
Everywhere else it's police and courts to decide who was at fault, while insurance companies are there just to pay for loss.

CiniO · 08-10-2012 08:45PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Hmmmm. If one car has front damage and the other side damage, there is a strong argument as to which car hit who.

I don't think it makes any difference.
Car which was hit on the side, could have suddenly unexpectedly come into other cars trajectory, so without knowing exactly how it looked like it's impossible to tell.

3ndahalfof6 · 08-10-2012 09:00PM

someone driving onto a main road is responsible to make sure the way is clear, the oncoming vehicle is on the main road it will (or should) rule the freeway,

eyes opened wide is required, the fault will lie with the vehicle attempting to enter a main road from a side road.

W0bble5 · 08-10-2012 09:53PM

OP was your grandmother coming to the end of the T junction? As in was she travelling towards the top of the T coming onto lanes of traffic travelling left and right ahead of her? And what direction was the other car travelling in?

Gael23 · 08-10-2012 11:48PM

W0bble5 wrote: »

OP was your grandmother coming to the end of the T junction? As in was she travelling towards the top of the T coming onto lanes of traffic travelling left and right ahead of her? And what direction was the other car travelling in?

They were both turning onto the main road from side roads, i'll try and do a picture

corktina wrote: »

i'm at a loss to understand a tee junction with a road "the other side". Sounds like a cross roads to me.

Not exactly a crossrods, they are slightly apart

Guy:Incognito · 08-10-2012 11:53PM

In a world where google earth exists, surely a link should be posted so people can properly know what they are giving an opinion on?

Cookie_Monster · 08-10-2012 11:57PM

probably the bankers fault again, isn't everything their fault these days.

Sounds to me 50-50, both parties coming from side roads across a main to turn right onto the main road.
Where in Ireland do you have to cross three lanes on each side to reach you own lane?

Gael23 · 09-10-2012 12:00AM

I cant figure out how to paste it so i've attached a basic diagram.
The X's are the cars then i've drawn lines from them to indicate where they were going

twowheelsonly · 09-10-2012 12:08AM

The diagram helps a little but was there 2 or 3 cars involved?
As suggested already do you have a Google Maps link to the junction in question?
Kind of hard to picture despite the diagram!!

W0bble5 · 09-10-2012 12:15AM

I would say the car coming from the top right in your diagram has right of way. It seems the other car cut across their lane turning right. So car coming from the bottom left on your diagram is at fault.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 09-10-2012 12:16AM

I can picture it now. Tbh it depends on where the impact occurred, one or both cars must have cut their lane for them to collide.

If both drivers cut the corner too sharply it'll be given 50/50 whereas if 1 driver did then they'll be at fault.

IMO.

belcampprisoner · 09-10-2012 12:23AM

YOU DONT TELL THE WHOLE STORY who was stopped who was on the main road,who crossed over to some one elses side

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/junctions.html

Gael23 · 09-10-2012 12:24AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

In a world where google earth exists, surely a link should be posted so people can properly know what they are giving an opinion on?

twowheelsonly wrote: »

The diagram helps a little but was there 2 or 3 cars involved?
As suggested already do you have a Google Maps link to the junction in question?
Kind of hard to picture despite the diagram!!

I'll try to put up a maps link in the morning, not sure how to copy paste it! Im thinking it will probably be 50/50 myself as ots going to be hard to prove who crossed whos path. Its the main New Ross to Rosslare road in Wexford if anyne knows it.

Guy:Incognito · 09-10-2012 12:27AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I'll try to put up a maps link in the morning, not sure how to copy paste it! Im thinking it will probably be 50/50 myself as ots going to be hard to prove who crossed whos path. Its the main New Ross to Rosslare road in Wexford if anyne knows it.

On the left hand side in google maps theres a print button and a link button beside each other (beside get directions and my places). click the link one and copy the top one. Then just paste here.

CiniO · 09-10-2012 12:41AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I cant figure out how to paste it so i've attached a basic diagram.
The X's are the cars then i've drawn lines from them to indicate where they were going

According to above picutre and fact that you decribed in first post that your grandmother took a hit from the side, while the other car was damaged in the front, it looks like your grandmother's fault.

It just looks like the other car was joining the main road, and after doing so, kept driving on the main road, while your grandmother was emerging from side road into the main road and got hit (on the side) by the other car which was already on main road...

Something like on picture below:

Assuming it looked like on the picture, but I can't see how else your grandmother could be hit on her side...

Cookie_Monster · 09-10-2012 03:45AM

That's what it sounds like to me /\

here possibly:
http://goo.gl/maps/etHNu
or
http://goo.gl/maps/A0CIL

corktina · 09-10-2012 07:46AM

if your grand mother is the car at the bottom of your sketch and the other csr was positioned as per clinio's drawing, then it looks like Gran pulled out in front of the other car, which had already accessed the main road and is therefore to blame. sorry OP, not what you want to hear!

Gael23 · 09-10-2012 09:12AM

CiniO wrote: »

According to above picutre and fact that you decribed in first post that your grandmother took a hit from the side, while the other car was damaged in the front, it looks like your grandmother's fault.

It just looks like the other car was joining the main road, and after doing so, kept driving on the main road, while your grandmother was emerging from side road into the main road and got hit (on the side) by the other car which was already on main road...

Something like on picture below:

Assuming it looked like on the picture, but I can't see how else your grandmother could be hit on her side...

This is almost exactly like it. From what I can gather, the other person tried to go behind her and avoid her but couldn't .

corktina wrote: »

if your grand mother is the car at the bottom of your sketch and the other csr was positioned as per clinio's drawing, then it looks like Gran pulled out in front of the other car, which had already accessed the main road and is therefore to blame. sorry OP, not what you want to hear!

I was thinking that would but its just hard to figure who accessed the road first.

Deise Vu · 09-10-2012 09:27AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I was thinking that would but its just hard to figure who accessed the road first.

In your opening post you say the other lady damaged the front of her car and your Gran's car is damaged at the side. Am I the only person who thinks your Gran was clearly in the wrong? Is it not obvious who was on the road and who was late. IT looks to me like your Gran didn't give a final check to the right before emerging onto the road.

djimi · 09-10-2012 09:28AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I was thinking that would but its just hard to figure who accessed the road first.

Not really. Id say its quite likely that the car who was hit side on pulled onto the main road after the other car had pulled out. There are several of these kind of staggered crossroads around my area, and if two cars pull out at the same time going opposite directions then there is almost no chance of one hitting the other (unless one of them stalls or something, or one of the cars has the acceloration of a supercar...)

In my eyes it looks like the car who got hit side on either pulled out after the other car had already pulled onto the main road, or else the car that got hit side on pulled out at the same time and either dawdled across the road or stalled half way across, leaving the other car no time to avoid them (in the latter scenario the other car would either have to have been going like the clappers or just not paying attention to not be able to stop in time).

How the insurance will see it is anyones guess. Its my understanding that at a junction such as this with two cars both pulling onto a main road from side roads they both have an equal responsibility to ensure that an accident does not occur, and therefore it may well end up being 50/50 blame, unless some compelling evidence can be found to suggest that one party caused the accident.

MidlandsM · 09-10-2012 09:30AM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Leave it up to the insurance companies to figure out. That's what they're there for:)

jesus no, I would'nt give them carte blanche......

Car Crash-who's at fault?

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